The Vampire Diaries

While it’s slightly off-topic for this blog, I’ve been getting into this show and from the comments recently it seems alot of you are, too.

So rather than hijack the comments on the True Blood/SVM posts like we have been, I thought I’d make a post specifically for those of us who want to obsess over Elena, Stefan and Damon (at least until we have some more Sookie, Eric and Bill to obsess about).

So if you’re into the Vampire Diaries, feel free to jump in and discuss. I have given this post it’s own category over there —> so that we can find it easily.

OK, I’ll start.

I love Elena because she’s everything that True Blood Sookie should be. She’s smart, sassy, and she doesn’t take any shit…even from Stefan, who I want to hate because his shiftiness and mindgames remind me of Bill. Elena asks all the right questions and she uses her brain and mostly saves her own ass (or at least tries to) when she gets into trouble.

Damon Salvatore, you rock my world. You smarmy, evil bastard, you.

And for the love of all things dead and fangy, WHAT is the deal with Elena and Katherine???!

So sound off. What do you love, hate, or want to see happen most on this awesome show?


119 Responses to “The Vampire Diaries”

  1. 1 Stef
    February 15, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I really haven’t had a chance to watch this show yet. However, I am gonna start. My dad got the whole 1st season for me when he was in China,(he knows I love vampire-themed shows) and i’m waiting for him to mail them to me. I am sure I will eventually have an opinion. ๐Ÿ™‚

  2. 2 lkc
    February 15, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    I have only seen the show a few times so far so cannot really comment yet. But kinda off topic, in the picture above it just struck me that the actress who plays Elena looks like a total Barbie Doll in that shot!

  3. 3 Kealeagh
    February 15, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Elena is fierce. I was really surprised — I thought they’d subdue her so she’d be like Bella from Twilight becuase, let’s face it, it’s on the CW, but she really holds her own. Stefan, the actor, does nothing for me. Honestly. His face freaks me out, it looks disjointed from his body and it gives me the creepy impression of the Cheshire cat. And Damon — I’ve been in love with Ian Somerhalder since LOST and I preferred Damon in the books too. He is amazing, a beautiful beautiful man (Him and ASkars…unf). Plus Damon has a personality, Stefan broods. I hate broody vampires unless their Angel, and that’s only because he turns into ANGELUS (who is the epitome of evil and awesome). Hehe.

    • 4 Stef
      February 15, 2010 at 10:16 pm

      Yeah…I loved Angel too ๐Ÿ™‚ Definetely up there w/ Eric! Awfully broody…but David Boreanaz pulled it off the best!

      • 5 VampirePamsGirl
        February 16, 2010 at 2:22 am

        And here I am going off subject yet again, lol, but can you believe that I completely missed the whole Buffy thing? I’m not sure where the heck I was during all that, but I am working to rectify the problem now as one of my friends has all the seasons on DVD and we’re slowly working our way through them. Angel was pretty great, but I just gotta say that Spike already owns my heart on that show and from what I’ve heard I haven’t even gotten to the really good Spike stuff yet. ;D

        • 6 Stef
          February 16, 2010 at 3:35 am

          Don’t get me wrong…Spike is a GREAT character! We talk about the tension between Eric and Bill…the dynamic between Angel and Spike is awesome too! They act like little girls. Or as Buffy said in the last episode to Angel: “You gonna go all Dawson on me everytime I have a boyfriend? Angel: “I’m getting the brush off for Captian Peroxide!” Love it!!

  4. 7 Dan
    February 15, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    I am the guilty one for hijacking the other threads.

    I too adore Elena, but I don’t have near the attachment to her as I do Sookie. But she is gorgeous, honest, loyal, brave, self sacrificing, etc.

    I don’t know if I want to recap the whole series, but my primary point of contention is that Stefan is no Bill, and Damon is no Eric.

    If there is a vampire to compare Stefan to, it would be Edward Cullen. He drinks animal blood, which makes him weaker than his brother. He does not do any creepy Bill stuff. He seems to be pretty mature, he is protective of Elena.

    Damon on the other hand, is a killer. He has an adoring fan club already who want to save him, see the humanity in him that is buried beneath all that pain. Ugghh. He does not have the character to stand close to Eric. I know some of yall see it, but convince me how. And convince me how Stefan is anything like Bill. I am open minded. If you make a point I will hear it. I can can change my mind. But I don’t see enough there, at least right now, to put Damon anywhere near Eric.

    Fortunately, the CW is going to make this a long series, at least 20+ episodes per season. Its traditionally a network who just puts good looking people on TV with weak story lines.
    They actually recycled 90210 and Melrose Place. They don’t invest the money it takes to win critical acclaim. But this series may gain them a little respect. I agree they are doing a much better job than the over-rated Alan Ball and his group of overpaid flunkies.

    One character that we know little about is the History teacher, who replaced the one Damon killed. This history teacher wears a ring, similar to the one Damon and Stefan wear, which allows them to be in the sunlight. There is a flashback to the recent past, where Damon is seen draining & killing the new history teacher’s wife. It happens in Boston, I think. So this new History teacher came to Mystic Falls in search of Damon. He intends to kill Damon to avenge the death of his wife. He wears a ring that looks like the one the vampire brothers wear. At first, I thought he might be a vampire or a ware. He still might be a ware. Or maybe his ring just has that vervain substance that prevents Vampire Glamour. This substance is also poison to vampire if they ingest it.

    • 8 VikingLover
      February 15, 2010 at 5:25 pm

      Yeah, I agree with Dan. For me personally, I don’t see Stefan as a Bill at all. He is not overprotective or possessive. Even when she was in danger from the other vampire, he showed a protective side but not a ridiculous “Elena is Mine” attitude. He never tries to shut her up, never grabs at her physically, and always lets her speak her mind. He respects her opinions and he respects her as a person. He’s also very gentle with her – which Bill is not. He also put her first by leaving her so as not to put her in anymore danger. Bill would never do that – he always seems to put himself and his desires first.

      I also don’t see Eric in Damon at all. Damon is truly evil and ruthless (and enjoys it) and I don’t think Eric was ever truly evil and ruthless. I think he’s just vampire. Damon is vampire also but there’s also something more – a mean spirited quality or something like it. Look at the way he treated Caroline, Lexi, and Vicki. I don’t think Eric treated women like that – I’m always reminded of how gentle he was with Pam when he turned her. Damon is dangerous because he’s so unpredictable. If I were Elena I would be very afraid of Damon.

      I also think that Eric is noble whereas Damon does not possess that quality – yet. The only similarity I can see is the fact that Elena effects Damon much like Sookie effects Eric. I think TB Eric and Damon do share some similarities though.

    • February 18, 2010 at 11:53 am

      It’s OK Dan, I also hijacked the comments on a few threads so I will forgive you ๐Ÿ˜›

      I’m glad you brought up Alaric. So…does anyone think that it’s entirely possible that Isabel (Alaric’s wife…and possibly Elena’s birth mother) is now running around as a vampire? That could be fun.

      I think Alaric is a vigilante, a vampire slayer if you like. I also thought he might be a vamp, but not now. Not sure he’s a were either.

  5. 10 liz
    February 15, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    i’ve been watching this too, and have been pleasantly surprised buy it. Although its not as grown up as True Blood, it is neither as juvenile as Twilight.
    I do have a bit of an issue for the premise of the show, having 100 plus year old vampires lusting over teen girls, which is why i find True Blood so much more believable. I simply dont believe a 100 plus year old vamp could be interested in a 17 year old girl long enough to last through a whole series, but it has been entertaining enough for me to watch.

    • 11 Hookah
      February 15, 2010 at 7:17 pm

      100+ interested in 17 yr old/1000+ interested in 25 yr old..kinda the same thing. Their desires don’t change-just their life experiences. Yes an average HS girl would be infuriating & useless to someone who has been around that long & experienced as many things as you would in that much time. (except for a quickie & move on). But each of these girls are not your average teen. Which is what made them stand out from the crowd. Age is just a number-that is not always true but CAN be true. I don’t think their relationships would be any easier/harder than any other one.

      I personally know several teenagers who are infinitely more educated/introspective/mature/versed in politics & the world around them than the majority of adults I know. This new generation seems to be so much more “adult” than the generations before. Maybe it’s just my son & his friends..but I am amazed by their attitudes. They are nothing like I was in High School!!

  6. 12 VikingLover
    February 15, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    **Stef – there are some spoilers below!**

    I really like this show too. Although I thought the “Unpleasantville” episode was awful. It seemed as if the writers just threw it together – I mean come on, Isabel just “happens” to be the guys wife + the name of Elena’s birth mother??? I thought that was a little far fetched and unbelievable – okay, for a show about Vampires. Hahaha! ๐Ÿ™‚ But, you know what I mean. Anyhoo, the show got back on track with “Children of the Damned” (I felt so sorry for Damon!) and the last episode “Fool Me Once” was FANTASTIC!!! The writers REALLY outdid themselves with that episode!! It was the best episode of the entire season, in my opinion.

    At first it was difficult for me to like Damon – the guy is truly evil. He killed his uncle and he tried to kill Caroline. Plus he was extremely abusive to Caroline. As a woman it was difficult to watch that. I wondered how they hell they were going to give him redeeming qualities after something like that but somehow they managed to do it. Now I struggle with myself because I’m actually starting to like the bastard. LOL I don’t think he’s starting to evolve yet, he’s still very ruthless, but I like the dynamic between him and Elena and how she effects him. I don’t know if he ever truly evolves since apparently from what I have read, he remains true to form throughout the book series. However I do find myself wanting to see something happen between him and Elena and hoping that he will change his ways because of her. Then I have to remind myself that Stefan is really genuinely a good guy. I just find Damon’s character a lot more interesting because I enjoy watching the internal turmoil of someone learning and fighting against themselves. I don’t know why they have to make characters like Stefan so perfectly good. They could write him as a good guy but show internal struggles with him actually being 3 dimensional. I’ll never understand why some writers have to make it so black and white – Good vs Evil. Anyway, that’s why Damon is more interesting – it’s not so black and white with him. That being said, I still want Elena to be with Stefan in the end. At least for now. LOL

    I agree with you SVB, I really love Elena’s character. She’s actually a person all unto herself and has not lost her identity to Stefan. I hope the writers of TB are taking notes, as you say. I would love to see Sookie be independent but more than that, I would love to actually “see” Sookie. Where is Sookie??? Right now she doesn’t really exist on the show. She’s like a void. Who is Sookie? What type of person is she? How would she react in any type of situation? I would love the answers to these questions because right now she only exists as “Bill & Sookie”. As a feminist I’m offended.

    In regards to Elena, I think the bookies were upset originally because the character of Elena on the show did not match the character in the books. Supposedly she was more like Caroline – in appearance and attitude/character. Actually Caroline was the perfect Elena according the books. Supposedly book Elena into the Elena we see now on the show. Personally I prefer show Elena and am glad they made that slight change.

  7. 15 Hookah
    February 15, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    I Love this show. I did read all the books-I always like to compare the various medium & note which version/changes I prefer. Yes show Elena is much different than book Elena. Book Elena was like Caroline but not as Vapid. She was most popular girl in school..casting off boys like yesterdays trash. I like VDS Elena wayyy better. I too love that she is so stable/mature/intelligent/analytical-much more so than any HS cheerleader would be lol.

    I Love Stephan. I do not see him as brooding, but rather serious/thoughtful/worried/contemplative. The burden of responsibility/action falls on him. He alone knows how unstable/unpredictable/uncaring Damon is & cannot let his guard down for even a second lest Damon exploit it & hurt someone he cares about. (Lex?) I was yelling at my TV over that one. Also, Stephan has been around a long time. I don’t think he is being withholding or intentionally hiding things from Elena. Think about the time period he was human in-women were very different & subservient then-not included in in-depth discussions between men. He has not had human relationships since then-I do not think it comes naturally for him to discuss every little detail with a woman (Elena) but he is learning. I think he very strongly sees his role as protector. I love how tender & caring he is with Elena. He is nothing like Bill-none of his actions are self-serving. I do not see any indication he would ever turn on her or harm her in any way.

    I also Love/Hate Damon. I too loved Boone in Lost (anybody else notice that we saw Damon-not Boone-when he returned to Lost this season?) Yes Damon is gorgeous-but Damon is so smarmy & full of himself..I’m still confused as to why he hates Stefan so much. Stefan did not turn Katherine in-their father spiked his drink & Katherine was poisoned by the Vervain in his drink-which is how they caught her..how is that Stefan’s fault? Anyway..Damon carries a serious grudge & is such a pain in the ass to Stefan. I think he is ruthless & truly enjoys the power & killing aspect of being a vampire. It is truly sport to him. As much crap as he talks, I really think he would never hurt Elena-even if it would be the Ultimate stake in Stefan’s heart-he’s too selfish to hurt himself in the process. When he killed Lexy-OMG-that was like the most fucked up thing he could have ever done..I was seriously in shock-this was Stefan’s best friend & they had known her forever. At that point, I pretty much figured there wasn’t anything Damon wouldn’t do to get his way. Wonder if she spurned him in favor of Stefan at some point? Damon is nothing like Eric. Damon cares only about himself & has nowhere near the charisma & personality of Eric. Eric can be ruthless if called for & will be if any of them are in danger-but it is not for pleasure-he does love to fight-but it is always against enemies, not just random people in the mall. Eric is fiercely loyal & just to all around him. He is a great leader & well respected. Damon is a man-whore lol..he has the reputation of a player..nothing more.

    It will be interesting to see what happens now that Damon knows Katherine has been free all along & has never sought him out. Read: Doesn’t give a shit about him. Knowing that everything he has done is now invalid & he’s been carrying a torch for someone who used him in the most blatant & cruelest ways. His entire existance has been based on the lie that “she loved him but was stolen from him & trapped in a tomb”. He will either do a complete turnabout or will get even more diabolical & go on a massive killing/revenge spree..TBD

    Does anyone know if they will be bringing the werewolves into it? *SPOILER* Tyler Lockwood is a werewolf in the book..which he comes to find out while he’s trying to rape Elena in the graveyard. Stefan promptly kicks his ass. I don’t know if they have the budget for that? Anyway, this is one of my favorite shows-I don’t do Idol or DWTS or any of that drivel..

    I am always the underdog at work..I am Team Edward–everyone at work loves Jacob..I also love Stefan..bunch of Damon fans at work. I guess I’m just trying to get away from the beefcake testosterone scene..looking for the sensitive guy..which leads me to ask..why am I so into Eric? Maybe I see all the conflicting emotions & know he’s just a big softie inside..he just has to keep his tough composed exterior due to his position in the community. In the end, they’re all the same..They’re all unfairly gorgeous-They all love fiercely-and would lay down their lives for each of their respective ladies. And ultimately-isn’t that what we all want?

    • 16 VikingLover
      February 15, 2010 at 7:24 pm

      Hey Hookah, I love what you said about Eric vs Damon. I agree. ๐Ÿ™‚ Hey, I’m curious (since you read the books) if the dynamic between Damon and Elena is the same in the books as it is in the TV series? Also, did they keep to the core of the characters and storyline? I’m just curious because we’ve seen what they’ve done with TB so I’m wondering how the writers on the CW handled the adaptation from books to TV.

    • February 18, 2010 at 11:58 am

      Does anyone know if they will be bringing the werewolves into it? *SPOILER* Tyler Lockwood is a werewolf in the book..


      There was a scene in one of the eps before the hiatus where Tyler had a little freak out in front of Jeremy and then it cut to a shot of a full moon. I haven’t read the books and I don’t know much about them at all – but when I saw that scene I knew immediately that Tyler was going to be a were.

      Also in the episode where they had the 50’s dance, there were banners all around the school for a sports team (?) that had a wolf as the mascot.

      Pretty obvious foreshadowing, I think.

      A bit like the foreshadowing in True Blood – with Jason and the cap with the panther on it. He wore that cap a few times in early season 2.

  8. 18 Hookah
    February 15, 2010 at 8:31 pm


    Hmmm…Damon seems much more viscious in the books. We rarely see him seem “normal” He seems willing/able to hurt Elena in the books-she seemed like more of a pawn-like he only wanted her because Stefan had her & his ultimate goal is to hurt Stefan. i really never felt like he had love/affection for her-I loved her with Stefan all along. The storyline is almost completely different. Books: Elena does not even have a bro..she has a little sister-Vicki is not Matt’s sister-she is just a girl at school who becomes a pawn in their whole game. Elena/Caroline are hardly friends-except in the superficial way some popular girls have to be since they run the same circles. Caroline spends most of the books trying to hurt Elena in one way or another. Elena’s other best friend-who is kinda bad-ass..she complements Elena nicely-Bonnie is very timid & actually kinda has a thing for Damon. That’s almost the only time we see a semi-soft side to Damon..he fleetingly feels affection for Bonnie. There is a whole thing about the tomb..but they all go down into it & Katherine is there & tortures them all. She has no feelings for either brother-other than saying they were fun..she’s a complete spoiled bitch with no redeeming qualities. In the book, she supposedly committed suicide by “meeting the sun” because she was so distraught over the brothers fighting over her. They became vampires because they had both been with her & then killed each other in a duel over her. Other than a couple characters being the same..and a couple locations..it is completely different. TB is way closer to the books than TVD is.

  9. 20 Patty
    February 15, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    So…I tried to not watch this show. My roommate was DVRing it and because we have a botched DVR you can’t tape two things at once and watch a third…you have to watch one or the other…anways…Vamp Diaries got chosen over Flash Forwards. I have been hooked ever since. I too love Elena…i heard in the books though that she’s blonde and superficial and annoying.

    I do feel that at times Stefan acts like he’s trying to be Angel(buffy). And because I’m a hardcore Buffy fan that irked me. But lately he hasn’t been so bad.

    As for Damon…could he be more perfect?

  10. 21 Natalie
    February 15, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    For me it’s hard not to compare the show to True Blood – and in my opinion there really is no comparison…

    However, it is entertaining to watch while waiting for season 3 of TB and the show has definitely improved along the way so far. The only character I really like though is Damon – I would love for a development, which entails him and Elena ending up together! But that’s probably not very realistic…

  11. 22 SarahStC
    February 16, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Where do I want this show to go? Back on my TV right now. The last hiatus was painful, and now another one so soon! This show is supposed to be my TB methadone – I can only read SVD so many times!

    I think they’ll have to develop Damon or Elena a lot more to make him a convincing love interest for her. With his Lexi-killing and Caroline-abusing ways, he’d have to do something spectacularly selfless or heroic for me to buy that relationship.

    On the other hand, if the writers introduce a darker side to Elena, that would do trick. In the books, she’s pretty opportunistic, and can be cruel, so the attraction to Damon works.

    • February 18, 2010 at 11:45 am

      On the hiatus thing – how annoying is that?! I’ve only just got back into the swing of it after the last break and now it’s gone again?! Very annoying. Although I’m kind of grateful that VD and Glee (yet another of my guilty, guilty pleasures) will be coming back in March and April and that should tide me over until May…when DITF FINALLY comes out.

      By the time I’ve finished obsessing over the book and dissecting it down to the final full stop, True Blood will be back in June.

      So I’m set until September when I will surely lapse into a comatose-like state of depression ๐Ÿ™‚

      • 24 VampirePamsGirl
        February 19, 2010 at 2:37 am

        OMG, Glee is absolutely one of my fave guilty pleasures as well! And it’s coming back on my birthday, lol, so I’m considering it as a special b-day present just for me! ๐Ÿ˜€

        I have to admit that I wasn’t at first, but my best friend (the same one that got me tuned in to SVM and TB) has turned me into a Puckleberry fan on Glee. It’s all fan fiction’s fault on that. This story called Slushie Shots and then another one called North have become my ‘fix’ until Glee comes back onto t.v.

  12. February 16, 2010 at 4:47 am

    Oh yays! I love this show. At first it kind of bothered me because it really glamorized teen sex-drinking-drugs IMO. But it’s kind of calmed down a little. Or maybe I’m just more desensitized. The characters certainly act more college age then high school. And there is just a ridiculous lack of parenting. But I have a teenager so I look at this crap a little differently. I would not allow my kid to watch this show. But it’s my guilty pleasure. I’m such a hypocrite. But I have a great kid, so don’t judge me. ;-p

    Anyway. I love Damon. Well the character is pretty much an ass with all the murdering and general shenanigans, but holy hell – he’s hot!

    I can’t wait to see more!

    Oh and BTW โ€“ I went out to dinner tonight and I SWEAR our waiter looked so much like Alexander S. I mean, my mouth dropped open. It was kind of embarrassing. Seriously, it was uncanny. Even the huge shoulders and narrow waist. Itโ€™s my b-day so I figure this is the universeโ€™s most stellar gift to me. I wanted to lick him, but I donโ€™t think my husband or kids would have approved.

  13. 28 VikingLover
    February 16, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    [Oh and BTW โ€“ I went out to dinner tonight and I SWEAR our waiter looked so much like Alexander S. I mean, my mouth dropped open. It was kind of embarrassing. Seriously, it was uncanny. Even the huge shoulders and narrow waist. Itโ€™s my b-day so I figure this is the universeโ€™s most stellar gift to me. I wanted to lick him, but I donโ€™t think my husband or kids would have approved.]

    LMAO!!! Happy Birthday! Maybe he was trying to make some extra cash. ๐Ÿ™‚

  14. 29 Mo
    February 16, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    I love both Stefan & Damon, BUT I will be broken hearted if Elena & Damon get together. It made more sense in the books but no way they can make it ok for this moral Elena. I can see the wounded part of Damon being appealing to the nurturing side of her but…
    As far as the history teacher goes, if his deceased wife was possibly Elena’s bio mom, then couldn’t he be her father?

  15. 30 Dan
    February 17, 2010 at 6:19 am

    I want break topic again. If SVB ask me to stop I will. I think some of y’all might willingly advice me. I love SVM the most. But as for quality of writing on vampires & love, Twilight was so good. My dilemma, my ten year old niece was fascinated when she found out I read it. And I told her it was written for kids but sappy adults like me liked it too. This got het reading it. Now my brother and sis-in-law ( and me ) are desperately trying to extend her innocence. Twilight is safe. But the third book, Bella is overcome with desire. And 4th book she has a traditional honeymoon. The book is clean to the point that words like “sex” and “intercourse” are not even used. But is cleary happens and Bella keeps talking her “desire”. For a shetered 10 year old, is this ok ? She is on the first book. Should I call my brother and warn about the later books?

    • 31 Hookah
      February 17, 2010 at 6:33 am

      My 11 & 12 yr old boys have watched both movies with me & the older 1 is obsessed with Edward Cullen lol..he wants to be him! He’s reading Breaking Dawn right now. These are the first books he has ever read voluntarily. He thought Twilight was so stupid & talked crap about it every day..as in “you know what’s gayer than blah blah? Twilight” Typical Jr High humor. Then he finally sat down & watched the movie with me & now I think he’s seen it more times than me. Anyway..if this 10 yr old goes to school..I can pretty much guarantee she has heard worse things (not to mention totally inaccurate & crass things)

      I don’t think there is anything wrong with her reading them-at least it’s a romantic & pure story-as opposed to leering & demeaning (Porky’s anyone?) If she has questions, they can answer them honestly. Kids today are way more advanced than we were. Remember we were reading Wifey at 11/12? That was way more perverse. And I know a couple girls who had sex at 11..so this is not that far out.

      I guess I’m just very open-my kids ask me all kinds of stuff that just horrifies my friends. But if they ask-I answer. Sweeping it under the rug doesn’t avoid it all together. Better to get a clean-straightforward introduction than sexed up & graphic. Just my opinion ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 32 VampirePamsGirl
      February 17, 2010 at 10:09 am

      I have a 9 year old sister that I’ve debated about this topic in my head. Of course though it kinda ends up being a moot point cause it’s about impossible to get that kid to read no matter how much I try to fob books off on her. Sometimes her lack of fascination with books leads me to wonder if we’re really related, lol.

      I really didn’t even have a question about letting her read the first three books. The only thing that gave me pause about letting her read BD was the birthing scene, mostly cause I read that scene my first time reading the books and then I skipped over it every other time I read that book. It grosses me out and scares the crap out of me in equal amounts. Of course, that could just be my own personal hang-up, but it’s still eww.

      I guess it really depends on your niece and just how sheltered she is. Does she go to public school or is she enrolled in a private school? I think that may make a difference with that. Like Hookah said, she’s probably heard worse things at school. But I ask about the private/public school due to personal experience with my sis. Before this past year, she was enrolled in a private Christian school. We didn’t have to deal with many awkward questions from her. This year my parents enrolled her in public school and just in the course of the year, she seems to have become much more aware of things. One day she came home asking what sex is, another day she was upset because a classmate told that she (the classmate) was pregnant cause she’d had sex. Of course, Mom has had to go ahead and have ‘the talk’ with her now.

      So based on all that, I think it would probably be fine for her to be able to read the books and like Hookah said, just as long as her parents make sure that she knows she can come to them if she has any questions about any of it. It is definitely true that kids are way more advanced these days than they used to be (and that’s saying something for me considering it’s only been about 7 years since I was a teen myself!).

      Hope this helps!

    • 34 walgigi
      February 18, 2010 at 8:54 am


      I wasn’t going to write my opinion here. Sometimes people are very touchy about what they think are recommendations about how to raise their children. But as a professional I changed my mind because I feel I have a responsability on doing so.

      Twilight and New Moon movies were rated PG-13 by the Motion Picture Association of America’s film-rating system for a reason. I guess we all know PG-13 reads -Parents Strongly Cautioned – Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. That rating category wasn’t created by chance or by a whim. And I also think next movies from this series will be rated R instead PG-13.

      IMO, sometimes we, as adults, can find the Twilight series safe or shallow because, after all, we are used to read another kind of “vampire” literature that can be considered the “real deal”. But we have to be very careful with children because they don’t reason the same way as an adult. And even when we explain to them some things, they don’t have the cognitive and emotional maturity (or moral develpoment) to fully understand it. It’s true as Hookah says that today children seems to be way more advance than we were and hear worse things at school. But remember that the fact they have a lot of information does not necessarily means they have the knowldge about how to use it (just think about all the sex education children and teen receive today and how pregnancies statistics among their groups don’t low, but increase). When childrean are reading this kind of books not all parent take the time and effort to guide them about what is wrong and what is right, what’s shit or what is real… And because children do not operate in the same “reality” than adults, they don’t interpret what they are wathching, hearing and reading the same way we do. And sometimes it’s a huge mistake to assume they understand it just because we explain it to them (and they say they understand it).

      The truth is the Twilight series grows its intensity on sex, violence and moral dilemmas through each new book. And IMO, in a very twisted way. Since the beginning Bella has serious self-esteem issues and certainly shows a dependency on Edward that doesn’t has anything to do with love. In the story she is nothing and no one without him, she doesn’t has a self of her won. You can find violent sex related to love in the honeymoon story and the theme of abortion when Edward wants to get rid of the baby because it endangers Bella’s life, not to mention Edward himself asks Jacob to make love and have a baby with Bella because he doesn’t wants to deny her the experience of motherhood. Oh, and she feels very touch by his caring for her @@… And talking about twisted, the whole pregnancy and especially the girl birthing through a C-section made by Edward with his owns teeth isn’t only very bloody and violent, but for me is something far beyond my own imagination with with all the blood vomiting and him injecting his venom into her heart and biting her in several places in her body to transform her. All of this without saying there is also a romantic/pedohilic “nuance” in Jason’s imprinting on Renesmee when she borns. Oh, and they also have difficulties to achieve sexual satisfaction after she is transformed into a vampire, and he explains to her it will takes years for them to achieve it.

      As I said before, the issue isn’t about what the children read or we tell them. The real issue and the real danger is how they are going to interpret it if they aren’t able to fully understand it. And moreso, how are they identifying themselves with the story characters.

      Every parent has the right to let their kids learn and read what they think is appropiate for them. But with the right comes the big responsability, not only to explain it, but to know if they’re able to really understand it the way it should. Because no matter how actual are some of the themes presented in this series, we need to choose if we want our children to learn about them before, in a healthy and right way to eventually understand them completely, or if we want to expose them first to this kind of reading and then try to explain them through the twisted and distorted images and concepts they could create in their minds with it. IMO, is easier and safer if we choose the first alternative.

  16. 38 Angie
    February 18, 2010 at 4:59 am

    Man, I love The Vampire Diaries way more than I expected to. TBH, I thought it would be Twilight Lite, but it’s really not. I’m not quite as obsessed about it as I am True Blood, but I actually think they’ve done a lot of things better than True Blood. Just the fact that I love all three of the main characters so much is a pretty good tip-off that they’ve obviously done something right.

    Something about the last few episodes has made me really like Stefan/Elena, even though I expected to like Damon/Elena way more (at this point, it’s pretty much a tie between these ships, though I find the brotherly relationship between Stefan and Damon to be the most interesting of all). They’ve given Damon such a sinister edge, but they’ve made him so amusing and sexy and fun and occasionally vulnerable that it is still a bit of a shock whenever he viciously kills someone. You understand his reasons, but you’re still like, damn. And Stefan is truly a good, but flawed vampire. Unlike Angel, or Edward, or Bill, Stefan doesn’t come off as a self-loathing, self-righteous whiner (at least not to me). I believe he genuinely loves Elena, and he treats her well and doesn’t emotionally manipulate her. And Elena? Damn, she is so smart and tough and emotionally-balanced. She’s not perfect, but she’s far stronger than your typical vampire-loving heroine.

    This is my first comment on this blog, and it’s not even about True Blood or SVM. Sorry, I’ll have something to say about them later, I swear. I just discovered this blog a week or so ago, so I’m still catching up. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 39 Stef
      February 18, 2010 at 5:29 am

      Welcome to the fold Angie!! Trust me…there will be plenty to talk about on this blog! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • February 18, 2010 at 12:11 pm

      Hi Angie and welcome ๐Ÿ™‚

      I think you hit the nail on the head in your first paragraph – VD is very character driven and that is why it’s picking up such a following.

      I also didn’t expect to like it for the same reasons as you, but I watched the first two episodes and I was definitely intrigued enough to keep going. And it just got better.

      This is where True Blood is going wrong. It’s obsessing about the shock factor (AB and the cast go on and on about how “crazy” it is), and in doing so the writers will have to continually “top” themselves. This doesn’t bode well for a long running series – on commercial television you can only go so far in that vein.

      Charlaine Harris may not be the most technically proficient writer, but she has managed to develop her characters successfully. Her readers are invested in Sookie, Bill and Eric primarily, but they’re also interested in the secondary characters – Pam, Quinn, Alcide, Amelia, Niall etc have all been fleshed out very well. And we are able to easily differentiate between the main characters, and the ones who are there to fill out the story.

      Vampire Diaries is working on a much smaller budget and much less “cred” than TB, yet they are definitely creating a story that is more cohesive, and more character driven. They know what their core story is, and they have the balance between primary and secondary characters just right.

  17. 41 Jo
    February 18, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    I did not expect to like TVD, although like all kinds of series, I have a natural bias when some series tries to ride on the success of others, but I was wrong TVD is a series in its own right, of course is a series of CW made primarily to a younger audience, but it is very good
    my problem with TB is exactly that, the series now set a “threshold” and everything was exaggerated, it still has appeal but I fear for the coming seasons, namely the S1 was good and all, the S2 had many good moments and many others bad, this problem to identify the protagonists and secondary characters with much more coming and I do not think that will develop the original story is too good to be paying attention to minor characters, is no longer enough to deal with? need to be creating more and more characters? ARGHHH
    although like Laffayete, Jason, Sam, Jessica and Hoyt feel that they are disturbing, to say the Jason and Sam are even interesting, but the rest seems to be away from the core still wonder how they will all fit in next season

  18. 42 Cara_Dawn
    February 18, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    This is very interesting to read this. I read the books as a teenager and loved them to death, broke the spines, the covers fell off, all that. When I saw the promos for the show, I lost it. I was so excited when I found out they were based on the LJ Smith books I immediately programmed my PVR to record it. But watching the shows I felt … let down. I guess when I read them I was in the age group the books were intended for, so I ate them up like candy. I watch the show now and I feel like it’s too … juvenile. Maybe that’s not the perfect word, but it’s the closest I’ve got.

  19. March 25, 2010 at 12:39 am

    So VD is back tomorrow night guys! Yay! Hopefully no more breaks now until the finale.

    Some cool previews for tomorrow nights ep.

  20. 45 Ericrocks
    March 26, 2010 at 3:23 am

    I am on the East Coast of the USA and I watched the new Vampire Diaries tonight. It was awesome, but I don’t want to spoil it for anyone. Maybe you see it the day after me. Anyways, hurry up and watch, it was great!

    I love a drunk vampire.

  21. 47 Ericrocks
    March 26, 2010 at 3:26 am

    See, I just posted and it said 3:23am, but here it is only 11:23 pm. Oh well, I’ll catch up with you all tomarrow.

  22. March 26, 2010 at 10:38 am

    I’m just about to watch!

  23. 49 VikingLover
    March 27, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    So what did you think about VPD??? I liked it! I mean, I thought the whole Isabel-being-Elena’s-Mother thing was a bit farfetched and unbelievable BUT all in all it was a cool episode. I did like that little moment she had with Damon while buttoning his shirt. ๐Ÿ™‚ Is it wrong that I want something to happen between them??!! It’s terrible but I can’t help it!

  24. March 31, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Eep finally coming back to this post because it took me a few days to get time to watch the ep and I didn’t want to be spoiled! LOL.

    I saw the Isabel thing coming a few episodes back – so there were no surprises there.

    Damon is fucking hot when he gets drunk and sulks around without a shirt on. And yes, that bit with him and Elena was just a dirty big tease. It’s not wrong VL, I’m shipping them hard. I can’t stand Stefan. I forget he’s a vampire, he’s that lame.

    It’s crazy that Damon turned Isabel and didn’t kill her. And I’m glad Alaric didn’t bite the dust either.

    New ep in a couple of days…does anyone know how many eps are in the first season? We must be getting close to the end now?

    • 51 Maria
      April 23, 2010 at 4:07 pm

      22 episodes…it’s like that for all the CW shows I watch. And I just want to mention that I love Supernatural, I highly recommend it.

  25. 52 Dan
    April 9, 2010 at 4:29 am

    This show does not seem as good as it did in the fall. It has some story lines that are going well, others that are too cliche-ish. I wonder how these teams of writers work. The show did well in the fall, enough to garner the tag of the CW’s best. They probably brought more writers on to work the 3rd and 4th story lines and the top team works on Elena, Stefan and Damon. One thing that has changed a bit: Damon is still a scoundrel, but the show’s creators have clearly decided to make him more likeable.

  26. 53 Dan
    April 9, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Tonight’s episode was really loaded. So will Stefan recover back to his vegetarian ways or does he become a killer now?

  27. 54 VikingLover
    April 16, 2010 at 2:00 am

    I’ll be honest…I am soooo BORED of Stefan. He’s so annoying. I can barely watch him and Elena in the same scene – I roll my eyes the entire time. The dynamic between Damon and Elena is much more interesting to watch. Honestly, I prefer them together – to watch Damon become more humanized because of Elena than to watch broody, depressed, annoying Stefan. By the way, didn’t the scene when Damon is in Elena’s bedroom remind you of anyone? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • 55 Ashley
      May 14, 2010 at 3:09 am

      The chemistry between Damon and Elena is way hotter, which is why i prefer Damon. And Damon is much, much better looking, and just a more interesting character.

  28. 56 VikingLover
    April 16, 2010 at 2:01 am

    **much more interesting**

  29. April 16, 2010 at 11:25 am

    OK I just watched this weeks ep – the last two have absolutely ROCKED.

    It really feels like it’s finding it’s groove now, and the sense that it’s building with the finale approaching is definitely there.

    I think I posted further up that I kept forgetting that Stefan is a fucking vampire. So I am very pleased to see him exploring his dark side lol. I suspect this will be a temporary diversion but a welcome one, just the same.

    They are definitely moving the Damon/Elena thing into gear, the chemistry between them is really throwing sparks now. That scene in the rain last week, and now the bedroom one this week – I’m screaming for these two to have more one on one scenes already. Sorry Dan ๐Ÿ˜› Damon has all the best lines, he really does.

    By the way, didnโ€™t the scene when Damon is in Elenaโ€™s bedroom remind you of anyone?

    Hahaha funny you should mention that! When he started scratching around in her underwear drawer and pulling out her bra for inspection I squealed LOL.

    So what’s the deal with Uncle John? Any theories on how he knows well…basically everything???

    And will Evil Stefan actually drink from Elena before Angelic Stefan returns to bore us all to tears again?

    • 58 VikingLover
      April 16, 2010 at 6:31 pm

      [And will Evil Stefan actually drink from Elena before Angelic Stefan returns to bore us all to tears again?]

      God I hope so! lol Otherwise I can’t see how the writers are going to break these two up and allow Damon to move in (which I REALLY hope is where they’re going). I’ll be honest (and this is VERY mean hahahaha): I was kind of hoping for a trunk scene during the last episode. Hahahahahaha! Honestly, Stefan is finally showing a dark side but it’s an incredibly annoying dark side. What’s with all the whining and crying??? Just drink the blood Stefan, for the love of God! ๐Ÿ™‚

      I agree that the chemistry between Damon and Elena is really ON right now. It’s the only reason I watch the show at this point. I honestly watch the show for him now – it’s the only way I can endure those Stefan and Elena scenes.

  30. 59 VikingLover
    April 16, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    By the way, I would love to have seen Damon’s reaction if Elena had told him that Stefan had been responsible for those broken items in her bedroom. I think this is where it’s heading – I have a feeling that Stefan is going to attack Elena somehow and Damon will save her.

  31. 60 Davida
    April 18, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Damon’s character never disappoints. Whenever he seems to soften, he does something unpredictable and “kills” someone–gotta love that. Alaric and Uncle John happened to have been resurrected by their rings, but it was still good to see Damon so vampir-ish. Stephan is so whack with all the brooding and restraint. I love the building tension between Damon and Elena. I really like Jeremy too. I’ve been wondering where his character’s going. And when are they going to show the werewolves already?

    • 61 Maria
      April 23, 2010 at 4:04 pm

      I’m liking Jeremy as well and I feel like the shows getting better and better. I actually started watching because all of you recommended it and ended up viewing all the episodes in a weekend.
      I don’t understand why Stefan doesn’t just drink human blood; it’s not like you have to kill the person. Or he could be more subtle about getting it from a blood bank like Lexi did.
      I agree with VL, I definitely watch because of Damon. I don’t think its as simple as him being evil, I think he’s pretty complex and we’ll see more of this. Damon and Elena have great chemistry, especially when they were dancing together in last night’s episode…much more than her and Stefan do.

      • 62 Ashley
        May 14, 2010 at 3:11 am

        Yeah their chemistry is much better, its undeniable. The part with them dancing was one of my favorite scenes of the season.

  32. 63 Davida
    April 23, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Anybody see it last night? I don’t want to post spoilers, but would love to discuss.

    • 64 VikingLover
      April 23, 2010 at 5:40 pm

      Me! ๐Ÿ™‚ It was great! Like Maria said, I think Damon and Elena had great chemistry during that dancing scene. How freaking cute was Damon at the end – when he stayed with Elena (when she wouldn’t leave Stephen)? That boy is really falling for her. By the way, Stephen really reminded me of Bill in that last scene with Elena – when he called her an idiot and when he pushed her up against that armoir. I don’t know how they will allow Elena to remain with Stephen after that. I think it would send a very bad message to the young girls that watch that show. He behaved like an alcoholic or drug addict that hits his gf then blames it on his addiction. I know I’m exaggerating a bit here because that’s not exactly what happened but regardless he did physically “assault” her in a way. I wonder how Damon felt when he heard Elena slam into that thing.

      • 65 Dan
        April 23, 2010 at 6:38 pm

        Because Elena knows that Stefan’s consumption of human blood is NOT HIS FAULT. Damon is starting to act like he has a conscience now, that maybe he even loves his brother, and his comment about how he has not killed anyone in a long time. Last fall, they wanted Damon to be Evil. But since he is so popular, they had to tone it down to keep him around. I am happy that Elena is sticking by Stefan right now. I like the parallel they have drawn between alcoholism and drinking human blood. Its also funny that vampires get drunk on booze, too.

        That one drink ended years of sobriety for Stefan and what they did last night was an act of love (by Elena and Damon) because they both want the old Stefan back — Last week, Damon intentionally leaves a glass of blood out for Stefan, knowing he can’t resist it — when Stefan had just finished confessing his weakness to Elena. She loves him for that, but its like the “drug” has taken over. Damon has a conscience now, but the overall “goodness and value of human life” tag still belongs to Stefan.

        • 66 VikingLover
          April 23, 2010 at 6:50 pm

          [Because Elena knows that Stefanโ€™s consumption of human blood is NOT HIS FAULT. }

          Yes, but it still does not excuse the behavior. The same can be said for someone who begins to drink because he is abused as a child. It still does not excuse any abuse he dishes out because of his later addiction. I do understand what you’re saying though but I think the writers of this show should be really careful here because it could send a really bad message. I was kind of shocked to see Stefan push Elena into that armoir.

          [Last week, Damon intentionally leaves a glass of blood out for Stefan, knowing he canโ€™t resist it}

          Yes but he did it because: 1) he cannot understand why Damon is denying that part of himself (Stefan doesn’t have to kill to drink blood), 2) he didn’t think Stefan the blood would have such a devastating effect on Stefan, 3) he needs Stefan to be as strong as possible if they are going to be able to survive the lates threat from the Founders Council. I really don’t think Damon knew Stefan would become out of control.

          • 67 VikingLover
            April 23, 2010 at 7:04 pm

            [Damon has a conscience now, but the overall โ€œgoodness and value of human lifeโ€ tag still belongs to Stefan.]

            I do agree that Stefan values human life but he did so while denying a very important part of himself. In other words, he wasn’t being true to himself – he was only able to do so (at this point) by not being a “vampire”. If he had embraced who he was, he wouldn’t be in the position he is now. Again, he doesn’t have to kill to feed. He can go to a blood bank just like Lexi. Damon on the other hand, seems to have the ability to change while still accepting who he is as a person. If Elena were to fall in-love with him, she would love a whole person – the real person that is Damon. Stefan on the other hand is not really himself – who is Elena loving? Clearly there is a dangerous predator inside of Stefan just like in Damon. All it took was a drop of blood to eliminate his value for human life. Sorry, I’m not knocking Stefan because I do think he’s a good guy.

  33. 68 Dan
    April 23, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    I wrote a post earlier that did not save, regarding Twilightisms that this show is sort of adopting,

    Maybe these writers have made up their minds, but Stefans chemical changed when Elena gave him blood to save his life. I saved that scene. As she is offering him her wrist, before Stefan drinks he says “Elena RUN!”. He knows what it will do.

    In Twilight, the denial of human blood has the trade off making vampires compassionate for each other and humans. Vampire Diaries has not fully committed to that concept.

    SVM does not use that concept but instead living alone or with humans. Avoiding covens seems to be the key to maintaining humanity.

  34. 69 Dan
    April 23, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    BTW: stealing from blood banks, drinking a little and erasing their minds – Is this acceptable behavior? It’s not killing but it’s not exactly honest, either. I don’t buy the “true nature must drink blood” argument. Sacrifice and what you get in return: clear conscience. Sorry, Twilight kinda did this too me.

    • 70 Ashley
      May 14, 2010 at 3:16 am

      Well realy vampires are higher on the food chain. I say if they can feed without killing go for it. Drinking animal blood is the equivalent to subsisting on a vegan diet against your will. And once you taste meat again, you’ll go crazy and wont be able to stop. Its better to just moderate and not go to extremes. In Stefans case, he might be an exception. He might not be able to contol himself if he has human blood. Maybe thats why he chose animal blood, because of his past experiences.

  35. 71 Davida
    April 24, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Although I usually find those ceremonial dance scenes boring and laughable, the intensity of Damon’s eyes made it worthwhile. I found myself smiling as he and Elena had their moment. I’m looking forward to more of these. Now, Stephan–his moments were laughable. Just kill the girl already. That’s a dark attitude to have, yes, but I’m so tired of his wishy-washy behavior. Be good, be bad, but pick one. If he’d stop lying to Damon about it, he could have been helped early on. Damon’s just been trying to show him how to control his behavior while drinking human blood. Stephan’s allowing it to take over because of pride.

    Vikinglover, I do see a comparison with Stephan/Bill and Damon/Eric. Stephan and Bill are masking proclivities towards lacking self-control, which leads to lying, hidden agendas, and ultimately harming those they love. Damon and Eric are confident in their vampirism (the power, blood lust, and predatory nature). While they have everything under control, their vice is love. It’s the one thing that brings them down.

    Dan, I see the Twilisms also. I mean, no one can brood more than Stephan and Edward. We never get the chance to see how Edward would react to human blood (unless you count the time he licked Bella’s wounds as she was dying in “Breaking Dawn”), but we see his compassion towards humans by not drinking it. Edward drank animal blood so he wasn’t even as bad as Stephan stealing, hiding, and lying about it. I agree the parallel between alcoholism and drinking human blood is interesting, but I don’t really like seeing drunk vampires. Getting high off human blood is enough without having them alcoholics too. Vampires should only drink blood as far as I’m concerned. I already have to ignore seeing evidence of vampires breathing when they’re outside in the cold, I don’t need anything else ruining the illusion that this is a show about vampires.

  36. 72 Dan
    April 30, 2010 at 5:49 am

    Emily to Steffan —“Even in death, your heart is pure. That will be your curse.” The truth is out, and Elena still loves him. So I am happy about that. And I don’t dislike Damon anymore. I was impressed that he told Steffan that he is not responsible for Damon’s actions over the past 145 years.

    So one more episode? So next Tuesday, I get to start DITF, which will make me forget this show. But it won’t take too long to read it. Correction, I won’t read it. I will listen to the audiobook, and that will take a little longer. Then the summer will be full of True Blood episodes. I know this: In order to enjoy True Blood on TV, I have to dis-associate it from the books, otherwise it will just make me angry.

  37. 73 VikingLover
    May 7, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Did anyone watch the VPD tonight? It was amazing! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 74 Maria
      May 8, 2010 at 2:46 am

      I agree VL…best episode so far! Love the part where Isobel tells Elena Damon is in love with her. He never denies it. The look as Stefan’s face was great…could history be repeating itself?

      • 75 VikingLover
        May 8, 2010 at 5:44 pm

        Oh yes Maria! First of all, that Damon/Isobel scene was SEXY AS HELL from beginning to end! Loved it when Damon got all “protective vampire”. Damn Damn Damn! I loved the scene when Isobel calls Damon out to Elena – and you’re right, he never denies it! I also loved the little bromance that is forming between Alaric and Damon. I hope that continues – it would be nice if they ended up becoming friends. I am really surprised at Bonnie. I don’t lik her but I’m sure she’ll redeem herself eventually. I think she and Stefan would make a better couple than Stefan and Elena. Of course I am D/E all the way. They are amazing when they are on screen together.

        By the way, I felt Damon giving the device to Elena was very significant, not because of the trust issue, but because it could have been one of the only ways for him to finally get a hold of Katherine and possibly see her again. He gave up that opportunity by giving the device to Elena. In my opinion, I felt as though he chose Elena over Katherine.

  38. May 7, 2010 at 3:15 am

    Yes it was pretty good.

    • 77 VikingLover
      May 7, 2010 at 3:27 am

      Hey Dan! I think it was probably the best of the series thus far. I’m intrigued about the Season Finale. Can’t believe we’ll have to wait several more months for a new season.

      • May 7, 2010 at 5:18 am

        I had actually thought tonight was the Finale until the previews at the end. So its a bonus. I always DVR it and watch it much later. Yes, it sucks when we wait so long for books and shows to come out, then we eat them so quick.

        • 79 VikingLover
          May 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm

          I just watched the preview for the SF and it looks goooood! Davida, did you watch it???

  39. 80 Davida
    May 13, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    VikingLover, I did watch it. I agree that it was the best episode of the season. I thoroughly enjoyed the kiss between Isobel and Damon–HOT. Other highlights for me: Damon didn’t deny loving Elana, boring Stephan was jealous and gave his “stay away from my girl” warning, and finally getting another puzzle piece about what John’s role is and what he’s up to. Will check in with you guys after tomorrow’s finale.

  40. 81 Davida
    May 13, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    BTW, I’m particularly interested in seeing what happens with Jeremy in the finale. You think she’ll turn him?

    • 82 VikingLover
      May 13, 2010 at 11:33 pm

      Hmmm, it would be interesting if she turned him but I don’t think it will happen. I wonder if someone will die tonight. From the promo it looks as if Stefan needs to be rescued somehow but really I’m hoping Elena goes to Damon’s rescue.

  41. 83 Dan
    May 14, 2010 at 5:19 am

    I thought tonight was the finale. And though I no longer dislike Damon, i didn’t want to see Stefan lose Elena. I assumed it was going to be a triangle from now on since Damon has decided to be a good little vampire. But that was not Elena who kissed Damon, but rather Katherine. And the real Elena was being all gooey with Stefan a few minutes later. Is their another show next week? And if so is Damon going to learn he really kissed Katherine, who he hates now?

    • 84 nskars
      May 14, 2010 at 10:12 am

      No Dan, that was definitely the finale. We’ll have to wait god knows how long to know wtf is going to happen now.

  42. 85 nskars
    May 14, 2010 at 9:19 am

    OMG YOU GUYS! I didn’t even see this thread here!

    I love Vampire Diaries! Just about to watch the finale now!!

    • May 14, 2010 at 9:34 am

      I’m watching tomorrow night. Trying to avoid spoilers so I’m staying out of here till then ๐Ÿ™‚
      Have fun!

      • 87 nskars
        May 14, 2010 at 10:13 am

        HOLY SHIT. The promos said it would “leave you breathless” and it literally left me breathless. Can’t wait to hear your reaction, SVB.

  43. 88 Davida
    May 14, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Loved the finale: 1. Feel sorry for Jeremy. Just want to hug him. 2. Damon was HOT as usual. Disappointed to see it was Katherine instead of Elana, but I’ll take it for now. 3. Stephan was a total snooze, but he gets 10 points for helping his brother. 4. Glad to see Bonnie redeem herself. 5. Goodbye to John, Anna, and the Mayor. Somebody had to die. 6. VD is really slow to bring on the werewolf action, but hey–they’re heading there. Awesome. Too bad it’ll probably be September before season 2.

  44. 89 Dan
    May 14, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Of course I am the only one that roots for Steffan. I am a guy and not susceptible to Damon’s charms. I do like his transformation, though. The brothers actually love each other when push comes to shove. But please, there are no valid comparisons of Bill/Steffan Eric/Damon as this thread has tried to demonstrate in the past. These characters stand on their own.

  45. 90 Davida
    May 14, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Dan, “I am a guy and not susceptible to Damonโ€™s charms.”–LOL Damon is charming, indeed.

  46. 91 nicolerene
    May 14, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Loved the finale.
    I was a huge Stefen lover at the beginning of the show, but now I am not so sure. Stefan is a manipulator and he lies WAY too easily to the people he claims to care about. After the flashbacks where he forced Damon to feed and change, I get the feeling that he was a very bad boy for many years.And does the guy ever smile?
    Damon might be a killer, but most vamps have killed (including everyone’s favorite viking lover). I forgive him.
    Regarding the Katherine/Elena and Damon kiss, Damon was rubbing his lips with a wierd look on his face when he walked away so I think he suspects it was Katherine. Wouldn’t he know anyway? Aren’t vamps colder on this show?
    I suspected that Tyler and his Dad were werewolves a couple of months ago, due to their hot tempers….that or they were on steroids. Matt is a cutie and needs some super powers of his own.
    I love the hot teacher. What happened to him and Jenna hooking up? She needs someone watching he back, anyway. And I am loving the whole dynamic duo action between him and Damon.

    • 92 Ashley
      May 15, 2010 at 3:01 am

      No im not sure he would know it was Katherine. Stefan said vamps cant sense each other, and besides the lips they didnt touch skin to skin. And it didnt appear to be warm outside from what everyone was wearing. I dont think he knew. If he had known he wouldnt have let it go. I think he was just stunned from the kiss. BTW, that kiss LITERALLY made my stomach flip flop, so you know their chemistry is amazing.

  47. 93 nicolerene
    May 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Oooh and maybe Damon realizes it was Katherine and has to rescue Elena at the start of the next season.

  48. 94 VikingLover
    May 14, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Let me just say that the SF episode was AMAZING!!! I still feel that last weeks episode was the best of the entire series but this one definitely came in a close second. I was blown away!! First of all, I was royally pissed when I found it was Katherine and not Elena. I cannot believe they tricked us that way! lol However, after I got over being all pissy about it, I thought the twist was brilliant. I’m actually glad it happened this way because Elena is not ready and she would have rejected Damon. I don’t think I can stand seeing Damon rejected by Elena – especially after all he went through with/for Katherine. He really loved Katherine and has loved her for almost his entire vampire existence. Poor thing was following a false dream – she screwed him over royally. Personally I think Damon really knows how to love – when he falls in-love he falls deep. I know Stefan is a good guy (though it pains me to say that because I absolutely hate him from the bottom of my soul) but I don’t think that Stefan is truly deeply in-love with Elena. He seemed to forget Katherine very quickly. I could be wrong though. Honestly, I just prefer Damon over Stefan. They make a much better couple. I really hope they end up together because she and Damon are the only reason I watch that show. I have to keep from vomiting whenever Stefan appears on screen. ๐Ÿ™‚

    The Damon and “Elena” kiss – spectacular!! Those two have such amazing on-screen chemistry, don’t they??? Damon made me swoon they entire episode! lol He is such an amazing character.

    Bonnie needs to die. Period.

    Nicolerene, I totally agree that Damon realized it was Katherine at the end!! He knew something was off as soon as she walked away and into the house. Then I think he realized it as he touched his lips. I also think he’s going to rush into the house and save her in S2 ep1. Do you guys think that he will end up killing Katherine by the end of S2?

    I’m so sad Anna died but so glad Katherine took Uncle John out! I’m also glad it wasn’t Damon that ended up killing him. lol

    And Jeremy!! Ahhhh! I love him and hope he doesn’t turn.

    • 95 Ashley
      May 15, 2010 at 3:05 am

      OMG i so agree with you i HATE Bonnie…i cant stand her self righteous attitude, its really getting old. I felt sorry for her when her gran died, but not taking the spell off the weapon caused Annas death, who i really like. And i CANT believe Elena forgave her so quickly when Stefan could have died if it werent for Alaric.

  49. 96 VikingLover
    May 14, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    {the part that really pissed me off is when Damon went to Jeremy and tried to set him straight and Stefan told him to leave him alone because his motivations werent pure. Damon should have told him to go f*ck himself. Damon didnt tell Elena he was going after Jeremy, so his motives were pure. Elena didnt even know, so he wasnt trying to impress her.}

    Ashley, I totally agree! Everything that Damon has done for Elena has been because he cares about her and he never expected anything in return from her. It wasn’t until recently, after getting to know her, her effect on him, and him getting to know himself (because of her and seeing himself through her eyes) that he realized he was in-love with her. I don’t think he imagined he would ever fall for Elena. I just hope they keep this character growth intact and they don’t have him revert back to his old ways as a plot device. I’m really liking all this deep growth that Damon has gone through. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I never want him to be ridiculous like Stefan, but I want him to remain 3 dimensional – flaws and all. He’s much more interesting and real that way.

    • 97 Dan
      May 14, 2010 at 11:36 pm

      Ok, so Stefan’s ridiculous now? His own self loathing is not enough hate? Just because Damon is turning himself around does not detract from the fact Stefan has been trying to redeem his mistakes for a very long time. He does not like who/what he is. What’s wrong with that? I am glad the REAL Elena still appreciates him. Damon is just now changing. I agree that Steffan was wrong about Damon’s motivations with Jeremy. Is he allowed make a mistake? Damon created the situation that resulted in Jeremy’s grief and he shouldn’t put his hands on a human boy. They were both in the wrong in that situation. And despite the brother’s history they think enough of each other to put their lives at risk for the other. I am glad you love Damon, but I feel your criticisms of Steffan are reaching. Isn’t the attraction factor what’s really at work here?

      • 98 VikingLover
        May 14, 2010 at 11:51 pm

        Dan, don’t be upset! I’m sorry if I upset you – really this is only my opinion and my own personal and subjective feelings. I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye, and I think that’s okay.

      • 99 Ashley
        May 15, 2010 at 3:08 am

        I understand where you are coming from, but i do disagree with one thing. I dont think Damon created the situation that resulted in Jeremy’s gried. Elena was on board with the compulsion to take away his memories of Vicki. She wanted Damon to do it, and Stefan as well. And also, Jeremy was mostly mad at Elena because she didnt let him in on her secret life and world. That isnt Damon’s fault. So Stefan was too quick to judge in this situation.

        • 100 Ashley
          May 15, 2010 at 3:16 am

          Also, Jeremy was obviously a depressed individual long before Vicki died, and i dont think Elena lying to him helped anything. And although Damon made Vicki a vampire, she was unstable and wasnt a good influence on Jeremy. She was a pill popper. I hate to say it, but its probably better overall if shes not in Jeremy’s life. Not saying she deserved to die at all, but she was a symptom of the disease.

        • 101 Dan
          May 15, 2010 at 6:31 am

          Did watch last fall? Damon killed Vicki and then turned her. Elena trying to protect her little brother a greater crime than that?

          • 102 Ashley
            May 18, 2010 at 3:17 am

            Nope. Its not. Im just saying Damon isnt the cause of Jeremys depression. Jeremy has been like that since before he turned Vicki. He has major issues. Vicki was a symptom.

  50. 103 Davida
    May 15, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Does anyone know why Elana looks identical to Katherine? I mean, Isobel was her birth mother. Why wouldn’t Elana look more like her? Is this a plot device for the show or is it explained in the books?

    • 104 Ashley
      May 15, 2010 at 3:17 am

      Yeah i dont really get this either. Im sure theyll reveal it eventually. But wouldnt that mean that Isobel would have to be related to Katherine? Its confusing.

  51. 105 Dan
    May 15, 2010 at 6:38 am

    Besides I admitted Steffan was too quick too judge Damon for what happened in the park. Damon should not have restrained Jeremy, even if he was being a little punk. But I agree he was making effort to help Elena. Steffan is acting jealous, but what guy wouldn’t be jealous over Elena. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  52. May 15, 2010 at 10:38 am

    OK just finished watching.

    I don’t care if it was Katherine, that kiss was FUCK HOT. Phwoar. I also think Damon registered it was Katherine and will end up saving Elena.

    The werewolves…knew that was coming since about episode three where they did Tyler freaking out and then they threw in an ominious looking shot of a big full moon. Foreshadowing ain’t exactly hard to pick out on this show. Glad to see they’re moving towards exploring that.

    I fucking hate Bonnie right now. Where the hell does she get off, getting all up in Stefan’s business, threatening him and Damon and acting like some big know it all? That really irked me. Damon can mop the floor with her for all I care right now.

    Damon…hmmm not sure how I’m feeling about where they’re going here. I like smart mouth, cocky bad ass Damon and I didn’t really laugh at him once tonight. I don’t think I like that. He can soften without completely whimping out and I hope they don’t do that to him.

    Now. Onto the thing that is bugging me the most. Jeremy knows Anna is dead and then he drank her blood – presumably because he has decided to turn. The source of the blood is DEAD – therefore I am thinking the blood is rendered useless? That is so fucking sad if he’s taken all those pills and dies because he wasn’t familiar with Vampire Blood 101.

    Six more months…thank god True Blood is back soon.

    • 107 nskars
      May 15, 2010 at 11:22 am


      My jaw almost detached itself when they kissed… I was like what.the.hell.omggkhicbcibibieikjvdkfvev!!! It was amazingly hot and awesome. HAHA and when Katherine chopped off Uncle John’s fingers I was like, “WHOA go Elena!”, lmao what an idiot. Obviously it didn’t click until John said, “Katherine??!?!”. Serves him right anyways. And then I was shitty cos the kiss of the century was wasted on Katherine. After watching the kiss again and seeing Damon’s face, I think he did know it was Katherine. And I also think the scuffling in the kitchen that Elena heard was Damon bursting in and doing the smackdown on Katherine (well I hope so).

      As for Bonnie, I’ve hated her since she got back from Camp Sulk-a-lot. She’s pissing me off with her holier than thou HORSESHIT. Her witchcraft can destroy lives just as much as being a vampire can so she needs to get the fuck over herself. Stefan should have drained her.

      OMG I love Alaric and Damon’s bromance. It was so cute when they were working together. Which brings me to Damon’s err… softer side coming out. I’m all for him apologizing for past offences and stuff but I like his smartarse and sexy antics just as much. And I think his naughty side endears Elena to him either way.

      I was really genuinely sad when John staked Anna. She wasn’t my favourite throughout the season but it was shitty that she was never given a chance to continue her relationship with Jeremy. Poor Jeremy, my heart really goes out to him. Ok so his behaviour in the last few eps was mildly irritating, but he reminds me of my 16 yr old brother and I just want to hug the poor kid. I hope he doesn’t die, that would be just too much sad for me.

      I’m really gonna miss this show. I like most of the characters (except Caroline and Bonnie – even the evil characters are less annoying than them). I like the plotlines. I even like Stefan I guess, even though he bores me to tears and I feel like falling asleep when he does his “good guy human in love” routine. I sometimes even like it better than TB considering the butchering that was S2. And that’s all I’ve got. Sorry if I’ve completely confused anyone, I’ve had a few vodkas. ๐Ÿ˜€

      • 108 Dan
        May 16, 2010 at 2:17 pm

        These writers have endless options available to them. They are quick to kill people. Interesting how Bonnie is so confident that she will outright threaten a vamp. There is no precedence for that. When has a witch, much less a new one, been powerful enough to claim she can kill anyone she wants. If you preferred evil Damon you might be disappointed. Next season and beyond, I suspect Damon, Steffan, Bonnie, and maybe the wolf will team up to take down Katherine and other forces that want to come into town.

    • 109 Sarah
      June 5, 2010 at 3:42 pm

      I know that I am really late for discussion but German release dates suck thus I was able to watch the finale not until yesterday.
      It is interesting that most discussions talk about the Damon-Katherine relationship and how it will continue. But I am more interested about the relationship between Stefan and Katherine. While Damon genuinly loved her Stefan seemed to be more sexually obsessed by her. When she was gone, he discovered that she used him and that seemed to be the end. But I already grew suspicious when he always said that “Elena is the opposite of Katherine”. Of course, Elena is different (and a loveable character!)but she is not the perfect ideal of a woman that Stefan makes of her. She can be high-handed (Jeremy!!) and sometimes she lacks a bit of consideration.
      I think that Stefan noticed Elena for the first time because of her resemblance with Katherine – which by the way he never told her- and even during their relationship he defines her still in terms of Katherine, as “not being Katherine”. Thus I am not that sure if Stefan really will reject Katherine when he meets her again. She seems to represent his “vampire side”, the passions and desires he is able to control only with great pain. We have already seen what happens when these desires come out showing a whole new Stefan (the real Stefan?)
      In fact, it is Damon who seems to have less problems to control himself once he made this decision. I liked that we have seen in S1 that the human Damon was a likeable character who had even the courage to refuse to fight in a war whose aim, the maintainance of slavery, is considered being wrong by him. i think this showed a lot about his character.

      • 110 Ashley
        June 13, 2010 at 3:33 am

        Yeah i agree about Damon. He was a good person when human, him refusing to fight in the war is an example. Hes a good guy at heart, who just became obsessed with Katherine and revenge. But now that he sees her for what she is, hopefully he can move on.

  53. 111 VikingLover
    May 15, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Don’t worry Girls, “brood/doom/gloom” will always be reserved for Stefan. ๐Ÿ™‚

  54. 112 Angie
    May 16, 2010 at 3:59 am

    How kick-ass is Alaric for helping protect Stefan? And how kick-ass is Stefan for saving Damon’s life? And how kick-ass is Bonnie for sticking up for her principles? And how kick-ass is Katherine for chopping off Uncle Jonathan’s fingers and stabbing him to death? And how kick-ass is Damon, just in general? And how kick-ass was the surprise TB promo? The correct answer to all of the above is: pretty f-ing kick-ass.

  55. 113 Ashley
    May 18, 2010 at 3:20 am

    Oh something funny i just read
    Nina Dobrev (Elena) from the vampire diaries said Eric can come on the show and bite her anytime! LOL i thought that was funny. She knows whats up.

    • 114 VikingLover
      May 18, 2010 at 3:23 am

      Hahahaha! Everyone wants a piece of the Viking! ๐Ÿ™‚ Although, I wouldn’t mind a piece of Damon Salvatore either. Yum.

      • 115 Ashley
        May 19, 2010 at 2:06 am

        LOL yeah Damon is soo sexy…i love his character. At first i didnt but as it went along i couldnt help but fall in love with his character…and plus hes hot as hell

  56. 116 Davida
    June 10, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Anybody watching “Moonlight”, which they’ve started airing right after reruns of VD on CW? I know the episodes are old (’07-’08 CBS), but hey…it’s a vampire show.

  57. 118 nskars
    June 22, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Hi guys,

    I know we have TB back to obsess over, but I just can’t get Damon out of my head!

    Does anyone know of any half decent VD fanfic based on the TV series that focuses on Damon and Elena? Thanks in advance!

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