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From Dead to Worse – Reread

I was planning to start a re read of Dead and Gone in the next week or so, for those of us who wanted to brush up before the release of Dead in the Family (in 22 DAYS!!).

Since reading the full first chapter of the new book, and in particular the intrigue concerning Victor and Felipe I’ve decided to go back further – back to when these two first came on the scene.

The first chapter of DITF has thrown some unexplained events in FDTW into a whole new light.

Just a few of the questions I’m pondering:

* Is Victor planning a coup to oust Felipe, as Eric seems to believe? Or is Victor merely a puppet – playing the bad guy while Felipe keeps his hands clean?

* Was Victor behind the parking lot assault of Felipe, Eric and Sam by Sigebert?

* What is Victor’s previous relationship to Bill? (“Aaah…Compton!”)

* Why does Sam know so much about Felipe’s affairs, and is this connected to his presence in the parking lot the night Eric and Felipe were attacked?

* Why is Copely “just call me Cope” Carmichael interested enough in Sookie to be running a full scale background check on her life? And what are the terms of his business dealings with the Nevada vamps, who Sookie gives him an “in” with?

* WHO had the motive and the knowledge about the fae war and Sookie’s involvement in it, to tip off Victor in Dead and Gone? I’m sure there’s going to be a clue in FDTW somewhere that we missed, because we thought Victor and Felipe were on the same team.

* And the really BIG question – Why the FUCK is Bill on the cover of this book when he is hardly in it? (OK that’s not really relevant, but it irks me and I need to vent).

My plan is to finish FDTW by April 26, and then finish DAG by May 4 (a few days before the DITF release date).

If you’re interested in joining me in a re read and discussion of book 8 over the next two weeks or so, jump right on in.

I know I’m a total slack arse at keeping the comments on topic because…well generally I’m a slack moderator…but I’m going to be a bit stricter with this post and ask that we do try to keep discussion to this book and it’s plotlines, rather than meandering across the whole series. It’s just more conducive to discussion to keep things fairly focussed.

I’m up to chapter 3 already so get on it people!

PS. Speaking of rereads…a little fairy told me that it might be pertinent to give “Gift Wrap” another once over before the release of DITF. Just sayin’.

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157 Responses to “From Dead to Worse – Reread”


  1. 1 Gigi
    April 12, 2010 at 5:16 am

    [PS. Speaking of rereads…a little fairy told me that it might be pertinent to give “Gift Wrap” another once over before the release of DITF. Just sayin’.]

    And also to take notice of the “timing when it happens” inside the whole story. O.M.G… don’t tell me we’ll have a new suitor… 😛

    • 2 Kristen
      April 12, 2010 at 7:03 pm

      I know this is WAY out of left field, but I always thought that Sookie would end up pregnant from her encounter with Preston. I thought Niall’s intention was to “breed” Sookie with another full blooded fairy and that’s the only way he could (through deception i.e. like in “Gift Wrap”).

      When I found out the title of book 10, I thought I was definitely right because of the old southern saying “in the family way” which means to be pregnant. BUT I heard many quotes from Charlaine saying that she would never reintroduce characters or situations from short stories into the main story line again, so I nixed that idea.

      Hearing this,especially the timing thing (wasn’t all of “Dead and Gone” only like two weeks total??), makes me suspicious again.

      As my friend said when I told her this theory – it would be a real problem for Sookie and Eric’s relationship as I don’t think Sookie would think too highly of Eric constantly trying to eat her baby. =)

      • 3 MASpencer
        April 12, 2010 at 7:20 pm

        Oh, I had the SAME EXACT THOUGHTS. Between Sookie always feeling faint, to the obvious parallels drawn between Sookie sexing up a fairy and her grandmother’s history, to Pam’s comment about Eric “living on in Sookie”… and I’m sure there’s more that I’m simply not remembering now… I thought clues hinting at Sookie being pregnant were ALL OVER THE PLACE in DAG.

        But like you, I was also aware that Charlaine Harris put the kibosh on that theory immediatement.

        So… don’t know what to say about that.

        • 4 MASpencer
          April 12, 2010 at 7:29 pm

          By the way, I thought it was interesting that Niall chose to place Preston in the situation that he did in order to seduce her. I agree with some others who said that he chose to make him a were in order to account for her difficulty “reading” him. But the way Sookie found him– lost, helpless, in the woods at night, with someone presumably after him– was awfully similar to ERIC’S position when she found him in DTTW.

          It’s an established weak spot for Sookie… and one that her great-grandfather might somehow have known about. In short: There were shades of Eric there, I thought, even though he wasn’t in the story himself.

        • 5 Tracey
          April 14, 2010 at 9:59 pm

          i think after the torture realistically she would lose the baby. i also think that is very interesting thoughts, however, to complex for the storyline. hoo knows how erics blood would effect the unborn. imgaine, part fae, part human, and extract abilies with the thanks of erics blood?

      • 6 Gigi
        April 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm

        [As my friend said when I told her this theory – it would be a real problem for Sookie and Eric’s relationship as I don’t think Sookie would think too highly of Eric constantly trying to eat her baby. =)]

        I don’t know… but since I read your first sentence, I thought it would be an insuperable obstacle between Sookie and Eric and definitely, the end of their relationship.

      • 8 Dwimordene
        April 12, 2010 at 10:13 pm

        Wtf! She can’t be pregnant!! I really don’t get why she writes those stories… I once tried to read them, but they where sooo BORING and bad wrote that I quited. And a lot of her readers must have not read them either… And for what I asume from here, this happened between 8-9 books. If it was going to be of importance, why didn’t she add it in the books? Most of people would get lost. And it also deceives the image of Nial, from a grandfather to a what? It seemed as if he was breeding horses! fgs! Also… Sookie was careful with Quinn, she said she would have stopped if he didn’t have a condom, so why she wasn’t now? It is out of character, as the other stories were. And for the ones who read it, Sookie wouldn’t get pregnant because in the torture that she hardly survived the embryo wouldn’t have survived.
        I really hope this does NOT happen. It would be a huge mistake unless she really wants to make Niall the one person she will hate the most. Does her grandfather think she is a whore? I would kill him myself!

        • 9 MASpencer
          April 12, 2010 at 10:34 pm

          Well, it has been assured that Sookie is most definitely NOT pregnant from this encounter, so if we are to take CH at her word, none of this is worth getting too excited about.

          That said, I don’t particularly understand the point of the story UNLESS a pregnancy (either as the consequence or the intention) somehow factors into the equation, as the whole premise of “Gift Wrap” is beyond bizarre otherwise.

          But whatevs.

          • 10 VikingLover
            April 12, 2010 at 10:45 pm

            For me it was just to illustrate how lonely Sookie was and how much Niall loved her that he wanted to give her a little bit of love and companionship. I don’t think he would have wanted another half human/half fairy kid walking around since this concept was already causing extreme trouble in his world. Plus I really think Hunter will take the place of any children Sookie may have. Otherwise why introduce him?

            I’m with DW though, I would be extremely pissed if any type of pregnancy resulted from that “Gift Wrap” story. Thank God CH knocked that theory down.

            • 11 MASpencer
              April 12, 2010 at 10:54 pm

              Pregnancy or no, that shit is creepy to the max. LOL.

              • 12 VikingLover
                April 12, 2010 at 10:56 pm

                LMAO! You mean you wouldn’t want your GGF or GF setting up your bed buddies for you?? What’s wrong with you! 🙂

                • 13 MASpencer
                  April 12, 2010 at 11:13 pm

                  LOL! In all seriousness, though, this is bugging me. I’m trying to think how it could possibly tie into the next novel, especially where the timeline comes into play. Consider the following Q&A from CH’s website:

                  Q: Alright, someone else has probably already asked this – but where were Eric and Bill? It seems like one of them would have shown up that night to give her a gift of their own. 😀

                  A: And maybe they did, on Christmas night.

                  Charlaine Harris

                  Offhand comment, or suggestive one? I really just can’t even begin to speculate. SVB, what exactly did this little fairy tell you?????

                  • 14 MASpencer
                    April 12, 2010 at 11:19 pm

                    Also…

                    Q: We know Sookie likes honesty and doesn’t want to be manipulated. Wonder what will happen if she finds out his little ruse….I hope not and since CH has said the short stories won’t be necessary to the overall plot it probably won’t. I found it interesting that she never thought of Eric really – did that have to do with the magic mojo i wonder.

                    A: cadd1122, that’s a good thing to wonder.

                    Charlaine Harris

                    • April 12, 2010 at 11:48 pm

                      Gaah! Gawd CH is so frustrating.

                      Let’s just say I have it on good authority that Sookie is going to remember her encounter with Preston in book 10. I know CH has said that the shorts will not factor into the plot again, but as someone pointed out above the Quinn novella is going to so she’s obviously changed her mind. This is what I’m hearing 0.0

                    • 16 MASpencer
                      April 13, 2010 at 12:01 am

                      Oh my. This sounds like it could be a really big problem…

                    • 17 Kristen
                      April 13, 2010 at 2:09 am

                      OH. MY. GOD. It’s like she’s manufacturing problems between Sookie and Eric! GAH! Soooo no pregnancy, but Eric finds out? Or Sookie remembers and feel the need to fess up??

                      I agree with comments above – the short story seemed to have some underlying point that I couldn’t understand. It seemed pivotal and so out of character for Sookie that it had to have some ultimate purpose.

                      Does anyone remember (of course you do!) the whole “Friends” plot when Ross slept with the stripper – “we were on a break!!”… Oh god… I cannot handle an entire book (or two) of Eric and Sookie debating about the right/wrong of her sleeping with Preston. I just cannot!!

                    • 18 Kristen
                      April 13, 2010 at 2:21 am

                      SVB, where are your amazing spoilery sources?! I want some of my own! I have no self-control and would just tell that person(s) to give me the whole plot, play by play!!

                      I’m so intrigued by this comment – moreso, than any of the other spoilers I’ve heard really. It proves that we really might not be able to trust one freaking thing that CH says in reference to future books. She specifically nixed the idea of including short story plots because of the Hadley/Waldo confusion, yet this will definitely play a role in DITF.

                      Maybe she feels more comfortable including these plots because “A Touch of Dead” was released?

                    • 19 MASpencer
                      April 13, 2010 at 3:24 am

                      I stand by my earlier comment about the short story being packed with shades of Eric… though he’s largely (and conspicuously) absent from her train of thoughts throughout. (While, in contrast, Bill, Quinn, and even Alcide are all mentioned in a laundry list of her past loves.) Here is just a short bulleted list of the Eric allusions in ‘Gift Wrap’:

                      >Sookie finds Preston wounded and naked, claiming that a rival pack is after him.

                      >They’re not just ANY wounds: “With a lot of work, we got him to his feet. I winced when I saw how scratched and filthy they were.”

                      >She specifically describes the winter coat she puts on… but it’s light pink– NOT the one Eric gave her, and that one is never mentioned.

                      >Dude gets a (giant) boner in her shower. LOL.

                      >He tells Sookie that the pack left him because the rival packleader’s sister wanted him, and he refused– she claimed that he insulted her, and his torture was the price.

                      >She tells Preston to hide in the hole where Eric stayed when the “bad guys” come looking for him.

                      >Niall calls her “dear one” at Xmas dinner

                      And yet, in the end, Eric’s name only comes up but ONCE, when Sookie says: “This wasn’t the first time I’d brought a bleeding and naked man into my kitchen, oddly enough. I’d found a vampire named Eric under similar circumstances. Was that not incredibly weird, even for my life? Of course, I didn’t have time to mull that over, because this man needed some attention.”

                      You’re right, Sookie. That’s TOTES weird.

                      In conclusion, this is intentional. It must be. Which means that either a) Eric was somehow complicit in the whole affair, or b) as Preston said, “Niall set up the whole story tailored to her needs. She’s not speaking to her brother, so he was the one who ‘loaned out’ her woods. She loves to help people, so I was ‘hurt’; she loves to protect people, so I was ‘hunted.’”… WITHOUT Eric’s knowledge and for reasons no one (except for Niall) was aware of.

                      WTF?

                    • 20 VikingLover
                      April 13, 2010 at 4:16 am

                      MAS, I love your thinking here! I think it’s VERY significant that Sookie acknowledges how strange the similarities are between what’s happening with Preston and what happened with Eric. I’m sure Niall knew all about what happened in DTTW through Claudine. I don’t think Eric was aware of Niall’s gift to Sookie though. I don’t think he would have been too happy about it.

                      Well, I’m still not sure how this will all tie into DITF but I can only hope it helps bring her to some sort of realization that she does care deeply for Eric and that it has nothing to do with the blood bond.

                    • 21 MASpencer
                      April 13, 2010 at 4:31 am

                      Good call about Claudine, VL… especially since DTTW marked her first introduction. (Coincidence? I’ve found myself wondering from time to time.)

                      Was Eric directly, or even tacitly, involved in the events from ‘Gift Wrap’? I’m not quite convinced of that. But I DO think that Niall intentionally modeled Sookie’s seduction after her fling with Eric. And his “fairy magic” seemed to temporarily erase any memory she had of Eric the whole evening, beyond that single casual observation. For whatever reason, and whatever that’s worth.

                      But if it’s going to come back around in DITF, now might be a good time to start speculating. 😉

                    • 22 VikingLover
                      April 13, 2010 at 5:19 am

                      I can definitely see him modeling this “gift” after Eric especially since he had done extensive research on Eric and used him to contact Sookie in FDTW. He knew how important Eric was to Sookie (and vice versa) and how much she trusted him. Interesting!

                      I wonder if our friend Claude spills the beans while he’s living with Sookie. Or if she finds a wounded Were under similar circumstances (which reminds her of Preston) and thus begins our journey into some Alcide deception. lol

                    • 23 Gigi
                      April 13, 2010 at 6:10 am

                      Fuck…

                      […I found it interesting that she never thought of Eric really – did that have to do with the magic mojo i wonder.
                      A: cadd1122, that’s a good thing to wonder.
                      Charlaine Harris]

                      m…

                      m (again)…

                      Well, even when I also noticed the similarities that MASpencer is highlighting when I was reading “Gift Wrap”, it doesn’t make sense to me that Niall (actually CH) made this gift to her and just erased Sookie’s memory in a temporary way, or that Niall were modeling this “gift” after Eric in order to make her to be aware of her feelings for Eric later… because Sookie’s mind doesn’t operate in that way. On the contrary (and especially after read CH’s answer in the quote) this incident could make her doubt and question (even more than before) her true feelings for Eric. PFF…

                      So… if it’s true that this short story will have an impact on the main story because Sookie will remember the incident, IMO, this only means problems between them.

                    • 24 VikingLover
                      April 13, 2010 at 11:43 am

                      I hope not because that would be cheesy of CH. I don’t see how this could cause problems between them though. She’s not pregnant (thank God); she only felt attraction to Preston because he used magic to make her do so; after it was over she was relieved that he was gone; Eric had nothing to do with it. The only person she’ll be upset with is Niall but even then on some level I think she would understand that Niall is a fairy and they don’t think like human beings. He thought he was doing something nice, out of his love and affection for her. She always seems to put these “supe” things in perspective. In any case, they’ll have enough obstacles to face (the blood bond, Eric becoming King) that CH really doesn’t really need to manufacture more crap to stir the pot – that would be ridiculous and I would be pissed.

                    • 25 Gigi
                      April 13, 2010 at 12:49 pm

                      [… she only felt attraction to Preston because he used magic to make her do so…]

                      m… I don’t think the magic make her do so because Preston said to Ralph (the Were):

                      [“I only had to use a touch of magic to get the attraction started.”]

                      This, IMO, means the only magic he used was to make her feel attracted and that he never used magic to control her will and make her do it. He started it, but it was her decision to made it happen or not…

                      (pff…)

                    • 26 VikingLover
                      April 13, 2010 at 1:44 pm

                      Yeah, but I still fail to see how this could relate to problems with Eric. She was single at the time – she and Eric weren’t together and she was feeling lonely. That’s why I think any so called problems that could arise from this would seem really contrived and completely out of left field.

                      Maybe we’re looking at this all wrong – maybe this will come into play later when she’s looking up info about Gran’s past.

                    • 27 Gigi
                      April 13, 2010 at 2:09 pm

                      [Yeah, but I still fail to see how this could relate to problems with Eric.]

                      Because of the way Sookie’s mind works and the way she is always trying to rationalize her feelings for Eric. She is always making excuses to sabotage her feelings for him and if she remember later that she willingly went to bed with a man just because she felt lonely (a behavior that contradicts her way of thinking about casual sex), that will make her doubt again if her feelings for him are true.

                    • 28 Tracey
                      April 14, 2010 at 10:40 pm

                      i think the way preston appeared behind her once she closed the curtain was very similar to the other sutiors. Quinn (in hadley’s appart, Bill n Eric in many other books)

                  • 29 Liz
                    April 13, 2010 at 3:20 am

                    I take everything CH says with a grain of salt, especially in regards to books that have yet to be written. For one, i think she likes to throw people off, and keep them guessing, for marketing reasons (like ball boy), and two, its a creative process, and artists can be fickle.

                    What i loath is how certian people over on her site quote her like its the gospel, and dont allow for reader interpretation, sometimes i dont give a damn what she mean, or what context something was, in my mind, it is what it is, and its entertaining art

                    I really would like to get a hold of your little fairy though, hehe

                    • 30 LLE
                      April 13, 2010 at 4:23 pm

                      I take everything CH say with a grain of salt and her fans on her board take it very serious. She tells them it’s not going to happen does not mean it going to happen because she does not want to give her story away. Sometimes, she says way too much before the story gets written like how to end the blood bond.

                    • 31 Tracey
                      April 14, 2010 at 11:04 pm

                      “but Eric finds out? Or Sookie remembers and feel the need to fess up??”

                      I realli hope not. Sookie was a free single woman. She could have done w.e her lil heart desired. Plus if eric gets angry bout this encounter it will make eric look possessive

                      “IMO, this only means problems between them.”

                      I can agree wit that. For a series this long CH cant have their relationship a bed a roses all the time or it wldnt be very interesting to read bc it wld drag. However, i dont necessarily think any problems they do have will be bc of Preston. I think it wld be geared more towards involvin Victor and the king. Possibly tryin to separate sookie and eric.

                      “attraction to Preston because he used magic to make her do so”

                      Thats not completely true. Preston barely used any magic bc the attraction was already there. I personally think he used to the magic to stop her hesitation. Eventually sookie jus went wit the flow. We all kno sookie has to try realli hard to control herself when she encounters a nake were. Even a half naked were.

                      “Yeah, but I still fail to see how this could relate to problems with Eric. She was single at the time – she and Eric weren’t together and she was feeling lonely. That’s why I think any so called problems that could arise from this would seem really contrived and completely out of left field.”

                      i 100% agree wit this VL

                      “a behavior that contradicts her way of thinking about casual sex) that will make her doubt again if her feelings for him are true. ”

                      I think sookie would have done that already if she was realli concerned. She was single and lonely so she either action on impulse, desire, or magic. When jason called her she didnt scold him bc her x-mas turned out to be wonderful. Therefore, she expected her choices.

                      “For one, i think she likes to throw people off, and keep them guessing”

                      Of course. Thats how she keeps the fans happy. Plus is makes the storyline more interesting. It wld be boredin if everything was predict which is why i personally love the series so much.

            • 32 Tracey
              April 14, 2010 at 10:32 pm

              “For me it was just to illustrate how lonely Sookie was and how much Niall loved her that he wanted to give her a little bit of love and companionship”

              i agree wit that. bc nail is a fae and from a different world he looks at things in a different way. at the end of the story preston explains why everything took place the way it did. i thought of nail lookin at it as though Sookie has the desire but not the drive so he gave her a push wit usin a decent lookin guy wit a touch of fae magic. we all know sookie is attracted to weres. i think thats why preston was choosen to be a were also bc maybe thats all preston cld shift into.

              however, i thought this was realli similiar to Bill’s seducing Sookie for the sake of Queen. i liked this story a lot but it seemed like CH ran out of ideas and threw this together. if sookie were ever to find out the truth i believe she would be completely devasted all over again. i highly doubt sookie would take the situation lightly and i think she would react the same way she did towards Bill.

        • 33 Tracey
          April 14, 2010 at 10:19 pm

          i did feel the one night stand was out of character for sookie. she always meantions she not a one night stand kind of girl. she alway stated that to quinn. but w.e we can blame that action on the magic.

  2. 34 Phoenix
    April 12, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Didn’t CH say that Preston wouldn’t be in the story anymore? Did she change her mind? Wow, I think I would kind of like that. I would like to see how that would play out now that Eric and Sookie are together now.

  3. 36 Gigi
    April 12, 2010 at 7:24 am

    I don’t know, I never read her saying it. Did you? Anyway, I always have wondered why would Niall chose to disguise Preston as a werewolf instead of a simple human being in need… just saying’

    • 37 Phoenix
      April 12, 2010 at 7:46 am

      Having Preston pretend to be a werewolf was best I guess because it is a supe that Sookie is familiar with and she has a hard time reading shifter/Were minds. If he were pretending to be a human then she would definitely wonder why she couldn’t read his thoughts. She’d be suspicious of him and Niall’s plan to get her laid might not have worked out.

      I can’t remember if it was specifically me who read her comment but I have heard several times over that the events from the short stories won’t effect the main novels. But then again, it looks like she changed her mind on that because the short story with Quinn next year is going to effect the books.

      I do remember CH saying that Sookie is not pregnant from the night she spent with Preston and that “she doesn’t really remember” what happened too much.

      • 38 Gigi
        April 12, 2010 at 8:09 am

        You are perfectly right about the human argument, because it would be odd if she couldn’t read his mind. But I thought there are enough different kind of supes and Sookie is already familiar with most of them (at least with ALL that were presented at the series). That’s why I think it’s an important detail that Niall (CH really) chose that Preston pretended to be a werewolf. Also, don’t forget the guy who helped Preston was indeed a true werewolf… so maybe this story could have some meaning for the main story in the future and could be related with this new Alcide’s devious act that she mentioned last week. 😉

        • 39 Phoenix
          April 12, 2010 at 8:44 am

          Oooh! I didn’t think about it tying in with Alcide! Good theory. I’ll definitely reread “Giftwrap” too now. I reread all the books starting with DUD. Now I’m on DAG.

      • 40 Tracey
        April 14, 2010 at 10:35 pm

        “If he were pretending to be a human then she would definitely wonder why she couldn’t read his thoughts.” i agree wit that. plus she would most likey have called 911 and made up a story if he was realli injuried by weres

  4. 41 KC
    April 12, 2010 at 8:13 am

    This cover is the most enigmatic too, isn’t it? I still can’t think what Bill has done to “shock” Sookie so… That’s what it looks like to you right? I think it *has* to be Biil that’s caused the shock because he’s the only one on thye cover, but why is that anyway since IMO he doesn’t seem a primary suitor in the book? Off to reread FDTW;)

    • April 12, 2010 at 1:11 pm

      She could be shocked. She could also be frustrated…I noticed in ATD, particularly after the blood bond thing – she really started sounding weary and pissed off with vampires. She was really down on them through the end of that book, and then this one.

      That kind of fits in with Bill on the cover…ah Bill, our resident scapegoat LOL. He is the vampire she was close to who let her down the worst.

    • 43 Holby
      April 19, 2010 at 7:12 pm

      I have looked through all the covers, and I think that vampire is not Bill but FDC. I drew this conclusion based on the fact that on DAG, it is the same vampire pictured when Sookie is presenting the knife…and that act effectively came between Eric and FDC.

  5. 44 nskars
    April 12, 2010 at 9:41 am

    I’d love to participate but going through Bridezilla Hell right now. 19 days to go!

    • April 12, 2010 at 11:14 pm

      Aw good luck hon, I hope it all goes perfectly! Make sure you tweet some pics 😉

      • 46 nskars
        April 13, 2010 at 12:57 pm

        WordPress isn’t sending me notification emails. 😦

        Thanks! 😀 Yeah I’ll tweet a couple of good ones.

    • 47 VampirePamsGirl
      April 14, 2010 at 10:40 pm

      19 more days…wow! Then you’ll be an old married woman, lol. 😀 Seriously though good luck with it and I’ll also be looking forward to some pics!

      And don’t feel bad about the non-participating here, you’re not alone. I’d love to join in, but me in my infinite wisdom decided to start with Book 1 and read all nine books before May 4th. I just hope I can make it, lol. But I’m trying to be a good girl and read them all and read them in order, though it’s getting so tempting to skip through the Bill parts, haha.

      • 48 Tracey
        April 14, 2010 at 11:10 pm

        “But I’m trying to be a good girl and read them all and read them in order, though it’s getting so tempting to skip through the Bill parts, haha.”

        you and me both VPG 🙂

  6. 49 Eowyn
    April 12, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I am on chapter 9 (again), but I did seriously think I wanted to burn the book yesterday after reading the line:

    “I would do anything to lie with you again” *cough, gag, gag…*

    Bill knows enough about this century to develop a computer database, but can’t bring his vocabulary out of the last century… *gag* Come on CH.

    • 50 lkc
      April 12, 2010 at 12:32 pm

      I hated that line too. But now that we have the first chapter of DITF I think that line could be way more significant. I would do ANYTHING to lie with you again. Loose cannon Bill as always!

    • 51 Gigi
      April 12, 2010 at 3:07 pm

      I always tought that behind this words CH also wanted to emphazise the difference between “to lie with you” and “make love with you”…

      • 52 VikingLover
        April 12, 2010 at 11:04 pm

        I always forget how much of a douche Bill is in this book. During that same scene Sookie accuses him of having no honor and he defends himself by saying he was originally reluctant to follow the Queen’s orders because he didn’t want to pretend to be with a human. Wow. Thanks Bill. So you were reluctant not because it was WRONG but because you were disgusted at the fact that she was human. What a guy.

        • 53 Kristen
          April 13, 2010 at 2:14 am

          HAHA! This is an awesome point and not one I’d yet made in my mental list of Bill Compton’s douchebaggery… Thanks for the addition =)

          Okay here’s one from my list from FDTW… what about when Selah walks up the stairs after he makes the comments to Sookie at the beginning of the wedding and tells Sookie that she was sneaking up behind Bill and listening in to Sookie and Bill’s conversation. Sookie replies something to the effect of “Well, he knew you were there then.” i.e. The d-bag knew Selah was behind him (super vampire hearing) and yet still professed his desires for Sookie, effectively ending his relationship with Selah in the most jackass way ever. I don’t like Selah, but no one deserves to get the heave-ho like that. C’mon, Compton – man up!

          • 54 Liz
            April 13, 2010 at 3:47 am

            what a pig! i dont understand how anyone finds that anywhere near romantic.

            I too found the emphasis on laying with her rude, he may as well have said, ill do anything to pork you again Sookahhh

            • 55 VikingLover
              April 13, 2010 at 4:20 am

              {he may as well have said, ill do anything to pork you again Sookahhh}

              LMAO!! Even Sookie was a little taken aback by his use of the words “lie with you”.

          • 56 Skarlove
            April 13, 2010 at 6:15 pm

            Hi all! I’ve been reading this blog for a while now. Great stuff – excellent insight and dsicussion fodder all around. I started reading FDTW for the 3rd time today eating lunch. I just made it through the wedding chapter, and this same thing struck me! Total dick-waddery on Bill’s part to allow his date to hear his pathetic attempts to get Sooookeh back in his beaaad-chambah

            • 57 VikingLover
              April 14, 2010 at 2:47 am

              [attempts to get Sooookeh back in his beaaad-chambah]

              HAHAHAHAHA! That’s freaking hilarious Skarlove! 🙂

            • 58 Gigi
              April 14, 2010 at 6:51 am

              [Total dick-waddery on Bill’s part to allow his date to hear his pathetic attempts to get Sooookeh back in his beaaad-chambah]

              HAHHAHAHA Yep, he knew she was there hearing.

              • 59 Tracey
                April 15, 2010 at 4:35 am

                that realli showed he hasnt changed. same suitation. “she likes the vampire in me not the vampire, theres been so many like her onli one of u” yet he stayed wit her. showed he hasnt changed at all and i thought he was being realli stupid. def not a way to win sookie back

          • 60 Angie
            April 14, 2010 at 6:45 am

            It’s totally true. You know, I don’t always feel comfortable with the Bill-bashing, but in this case, or pretty much any case, when we’re dealing with Book!Bill, it’s usually justified.

      • 62 lkc
        April 13, 2010 at 1:26 am

        Gigi that’s what I originally thought and mostly still do. But that word–anything–really bothers me. Makes me wonder.

      • 63 Tracey
        April 14, 2010 at 11:12 pm

        “I always tought that behind this words CH also wanted to emphazise the difference between “to lie with you” and “make love with you”…”

        i agree wit that. even sookie notices the choice of words and thinks a lil about it

      • 64 Holby
        April 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm

        Gigi…ding, ding, ding…I NEVER thought of that, but it is, indeed a significant difference. Hmmmmm.

  7. 65 Aposmeal
    April 12, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Pulling out the books now with highlighter and stickies in hand

  8. 66 Christina
    April 12, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Having Victor be the puppet to Felipe would work out nicely- after all he didn’t get to be King for nothing. But, the other reason it wouldn’t make sense for Victor to attempt a takeover is because unless he has a lot of connections in the Kingdom he wouldn’t be able to hold on to his position long cause I didn’t think he as that old/powerful, plus nobody seems to like/respect him.
    As far as his connection to Bill it stands to reason that they could’ve met in the process of Bill’s work on the database.

    • 67 VikingLover
      April 12, 2010 at 4:35 pm

      {…it wouldn’t make sense for Victor to attempt a takeover is because unless he has a lot of connections in the Kingdom he wouldn’t be able to hold on to his position long cause I didn’t think he as that old/powerful, plus nobody seems to like/respect him.}

      I don’t know because the vampires that were there that night (in DITF) seemed very fearful of him and wouldn’t confront him to his face. Only some were willing to go behind his back to allow Pam to use the phone.

  9. April 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    You know, I could never figure out why Bill would be on this cover either. So I thought maybe it was Victor or FDC.

    I am also breaking out FDTW and preparing for comment. Happy re-reading everyone!

  10. 69 ellemoe
    April 12, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    I’m up for a re-read as I just had all of my books returned. I honestly cannot remember anything from the book so I need to get on it.

  11. 70 LLE
    April 12, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Sookie met Jonathan the vampire at Andy’s wedding. He was asking questions about Eric. Sookie asked him how did he know that she was at the wedding? He told her that Pam told him that she was going to be there. Sookie knew that Jonathan was lying because she never mention that to Pam. Eric never heard of Jonathan. Someone was giving information to Victor. Quinn knew that Sookie was going to the wedding and she invited him to go with her.

    • 71 Gigi
      April 12, 2010 at 5:05 pm

      Sam (obviously) knew that Sookie would be there since he was hired to work at the wedding…

      • 72 LLE
        April 12, 2010 at 5:17 pm

        Sam would never betray Sookie. Bill and Quinn would but Sam will do that. CH likes the character of Sam. Sam don’t care for vampires and he would never give information to the bad vampires.

        • 73 Gigi
          April 12, 2010 at 9:23 pm

          According to your POV, maybe he would never betray Sookie… but surely he is very fond of female gendered enemies of Sookie and is always willing to be involved romantically with them…

          What logical explanation could have this canon fact?

        • April 12, 2010 at 10:19 pm

          I disagree. Sam is too suspicious and always get really angry about Sookie’s other relationships. I think it is very possible that he would inadvertantly betray Sookie. I don’t think he wants her hurt, but he definitely wants Eric and Bill out of the picture.

          • 75 LLE
            April 12, 2010 at 10:42 pm

            Sam cares about Sookie and he let her know that screw up. Sam does not want Sookie involved with vampires and Sookie knows that. Sam would never contact Victor and give him information. Sookie great-grandfather show up when Sookie was with Sam and knows that Sam can be trusted. Sam watches over Sookie and Sookie watches over Sam.

            Sam will get a girlfriend in book 10. I am glad that Sam will get a new girlfriend and hope Sookie will like her.

            • 76 Gigi
              April 13, 2010 at 5:30 am

              [Sam watches over Sookie and Sookie watches over Sam.]

              Well… maybe Sam watches over Sookie way much more than she does over him. And the fact that he doesn’t like that she is involved with vampires doesn’t give him the right to be unkind to her, mad and/or question it. Because as I said before, he’s very fond of females that even threated and risked Sookie’s life and got romantically involved with them after knowing it (don’t you remember the manead -among others?). And Sookie never dared to question him or influence in his personal life as he’s always trying to do with hers…

            • April 13, 2010 at 1:36 pm

              “Sam watches over Sookie and Sookie watches over Sam”

              Sookie doesn’t watch over Sam. This one truly puzzles me, the only time Sookie really pays attention to Sam is when it somehow involves her.

    • 79 VikingLover
      April 12, 2010 at 10:54 pm

      {Quinn knew that Sookie was going to the wedding and she invited him to go with her.}

      That’s true. Also, E.E.E. catered the event so he would have known that way as well.

  12. 80 Liz
    April 12, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    wasnt this the one where Bill, and Quinn fought over Sookie knocking her out.i cant remember, its all a jumble, but it could explain the bolt of lightning, or it could be Erics memory coming back if its the right book

    • 81 Sonia
      April 12, 2010 at 9:09 pm

      {wasnt this the one where Bill, and Quinn fought over Sookie knocking her out.i cant remember, its all a jumble, but it could explain the bolt of lightning, or it could be Erics memory coming back if its the right book}

      No. That was in DAG-Eric then gave her his blood b/c she was unconscious and it led to a very sexy scene.

  13. 82 Aposmeal
    April 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Re reading FDTW already on hardback page 193 where Quinn’s sister is telling how Quinn told the Vegas vamps about the Louisiana vamps being easy pickings. He sold Sookie out to save his
    momma again. I had forgotten that

  14. 83 Aposmeal
    April 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Very odd I never saw it before page 205 Victor stood quite still just inside the door. He gave everyone a cautious look,though his smile never faded. When he spotted Bill, the smile actually brightened. “Ah Compton”he said.

    Very odd

    • April 12, 2010 at 11:13 pm

      Yep and there is also this:

      “Do you know him?” I whispered to Bill.
      Bill said, “Yes. I’ve met him.” But he didn’t add any details and stood lost in an inner debate. I’ve never wanted more intensely to know what someone was thinking than I did at that moment.

      So she draws attention to the fact that they have history not once, but twice. And twice, Sookie makes a point of pondering the relevance.

      Of course there is also indication that Eric knows him – Victor calls him “old sport” which indicates some sort of familiarity that goes back a while.

      But the Bill thing, the way it’s written is to raise suspicion in the reader. I want to know why.

      • 85 MASpencer
        April 12, 2010 at 11:31 pm

        The fact that Eric is a sheriff would explain away any familiarity there– I would imagine heads of state know other heads of state, if only in passing.

        Bill’s acquaintance is not so easy to account for.

      • 86 Gigi
        April 13, 2010 at 1:15 am

        I could think Bill met Victor while making his database, because it also a fact that he knows a lot of vampires through the US and another countries because of it. But Victor’s reaction when recognized him between the group that were at Sookie’s house makes me think that the relationship between them has a much closer nuance that has nothing to do with the database.

        • 87 Eowyn
          April 13, 2010 at 12:01 pm

          “Do you know him?” I whispered to Bill. Bill said, “Yes. I’ve met him.” Bill doesn’t elaborate. If this was about the database, then I think CH would have made Sook’s have a snarky comment like “oh..while working for the queen”. (pg. 199)

          When he spotted Bill, the smile actually brightened. (pg.205)

          When Eric asks why he was spared and all the other sheriffs, Victor lists the reason and “You have one of the biggest moneymakers living in your area and working for you.” He nodded toward Bill..(pg 208)

          Why did Victor point that out. If Bill is so important to a money making enterprise, wouldn’t QSA have protected him better, she went so far as to ridicule him at Rhodes (when he showed up in the elevator after the Ark. gang were murdered), or maybe she would have pimped him out for his computer skills to the other kingdoms?

          The most telling line in the book for me: Amelia to Sook’s..”No, but you know that Victor. And he looks like he’s got his eyes on his own advancement.” (pg 243).. BTW, None of this really adds us to a hill of beans!

          • 88 Gigi
            April 13, 2010 at 1:59 pm

            [“Why am I alive, of all the sheriffs?” Eric asked—the four‐hundred‐pound question.
            “Because you’re the most efficient, the most productive, and the most practical.” Victor had the answer ready at his lips. “And you have one of the biggest moneymakers living in your area and working for you.” He nodded toward Bill. “Our king would like to leave you in position, if you will swear loyalty to him.”]

            He wasn’t making reference to Bill, he was still answering Eric’s question. But what is really important form this quote isn’t exactly what he said, but WHY he nodded towards Bill when he was answering it to Eric…

            • 89 Mia
              April 15, 2010 at 9:05 am

              I always thought that Victor was referring to Bill as the “moneymaker” by nodding towards him. If so Eric being spared because Bill lives in Bon Temps doesn’t make sense since Bill could work on his database anywhere.

              Is Victor implying that Bill arranged for Eric’s life to be spared? That would mean that Bill had foreknowledge of the takeover.

              • April 15, 2010 at 9:33 am

                Is Victor implying that Bill arranged for Eric’s life to be spared?

                My reading of that is that Victor is referring to Bill as the “moneymaker” with the nod, but that Bill is kind of an added reason for them to keep Eric in position – not the primary reason.

                Remembering just before the takeover happens, Sookie sits down and tries to get her head around Eric’s political sphere of influence by scratching out a map – Eric’s territory is the largest in the state. That, combined with Bill living in that territory and being a good little earner seemed to me the reason Victor is saying they spared Eric.

                But I smell bullshit. To me, if I was planning a takeover Eric is the FIRST one I’d try to take out. He is the most likely threat to them so I think Victor is blowing smoke up Eric’s ass. Why I don’t know.

                The idea of Bill having foreknowledge is also intriguing. Would certainly go some way towards explaining his verbal diarrhea in front of Victor about Sookie. That was just so unbelievably stupid, even for him who is prone to making ridiculous proclamations at most inappropriate moments. Hmmm.

                • 91 Mia
                  April 15, 2010 at 10:20 am

                  [But I smell bullshit. To me, if I was planning a takeover Eric is the FIRST one I’d try to take out. He is the most likely threat to them so I think Victor is blowing smoke up Eric’s ass. Why I don’t know.]

                  I agree that Eric would be the logical first to go. His age and leadership skills make him extremely powerful, and Felipe could break down Eric’s territory and assign more than one sheriff to it if that was an issue. Plus Bill’s database is portable so he doesn’t have to reside in Bon Temps to maintain/sell it. The king could make him relocate to Vegas.

                  I have to find my copy of FDTW, but I believe Bill glamors Frannie, but then she breaks free of the spell and screams causing Quinn to break in. I wondered at the time if Bill released her at that moment for a purpose i.e. to provide a diversion. I didn’t think glamor wore off unless the vampire willed it?

                • 92 MASpencer
                  April 15, 2010 at 10:31 am

                  Yeah, that WAS stupid, wasn’t it? But I love how all of the Eric haters took that as evidence that indeed, Eric doesn’t love Sookie– but Bill DOES.

                  Eric didn’t say he WOULDN’T die for her (and frankly, he didn’t HAVE to say anything, because he had already put his life in danger for her multiple times already). He just changed the subject… which was smart, because no one in a position of power would EVER knowingly expose their greatest weakness to an enemy.

                  I don’t know. Something was weird about that whole exchange. But I have to wonder if it’s not just one of those bomb-gardens…

                • 94 Dwimordene
                  April 15, 2010 at 10:50 am

                  Eric’s possition of power was shown already on book 7, remember that he is the only sheriff that was compelled to go to the summit (Gervaise went out of hospitality) and he was allowed to take some of his minions with him. To keep him happy? Or to show their power? It always seemed strange to me that arrangement.

                  Bill’s exposition of Eric’s weakness (“would you?”) but Sookie liked to hear that, she only believes that someone loves her when they say it, never by actions, though actions can’t lie. So maybe CH put it just for the love “triangle”… I hope not, because seeing all these makes is begining to make the story more interesting… Until now it was just a romance story, now this has mystery.

                  • 95 LLE
                    April 15, 2010 at 9:34 pm

                    There was another sheriff female vampire went too. Eric, Gervaise, and female vampire. The female vampire was killed in book 8.

        • 96 Holby
          April 21, 2010 at 4:01 am

          I’ve been waiting to post this, and I hope I can organize my thoughts coherently. Bill knew that Sookie would be at the wedding and could easily have told FDC that his men could scope her out at that function. Then, when Bill shows up at Sookie’s, he is trying to call Eric. Now, I understand that vampire’s have an amazing ability to track, but if VM and his crew drove and Eric (presumably) flew, how could they have tracked him to Sookie’s? I think VM came to Sookie’s at Bill’s suggestion to secure Sookie to make Eric surrender more quickly. I do not believe that Bill ever had any idea that Eric would actually show up there…I also believe that, since Bill had prior knowledge of Nevada’s powerplay, he had pre-arranged for his own safety with the caveat that “Sookuh is Maihn”. When Eric showed up just before VM, Bill starts to get a bit nervous about the outcome (“I do regret the women.”) because he fully expected that Eric would die as a result of this takeover and be out of the picture, but he thought that would occur somewhere else. His statement about “Know this. I will die for her. If you harm her, I will kill you,” was actually just a message to Victor that his value to FDC was dependent on Victor not losing his shit in the fight with Eric and killing Sookie in a bloodlust. I think at this point, Bill still has no knowledge about Niall and the Fae and is surprised as hell when Eric actually capitulates. I think the ending of this takeover was a huge cockblock for “poor Bill.”

          Ah, Compton…with no further explanation because Victor had fully expected Bill to be there, but not Eric who should have been with his elite, instead of this motley crew.

  15. April 12, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    When I wrote the review on this book, I got a lot of people saying it wasn’t Bill on the cover and that it was Felipe or Victor Madden. I disagree. I think it’s Bill. Wouldn’t there be a distinction??

  16. 105 LLE
    April 12, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    It is Bill and he has betray her in the past and Sookie is really not to forgive him yet.

  17. 106 KC
    April 12, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    I think Ms. Harris has said the vampires on the covers are all Bill or Eric. About the DitF cover, she said: “All the covers illustrate the feel of the book, not a specific scene. No giant roses in my books! Maybe saying they represent the ’emotional direction’ of the book is more accurate.”

    But that statement just makes this cover more confusing.

    • 107 Serena
      April 13, 2010 at 2:14 am

      I read in CH’s forums that the covers did represent a certain scene, where FDTW is supposed to be the scene at the wedding.

      • 108 Serena
        April 13, 2010 at 2:43 am

        um sorry i prob should have clipped this earlier.. but i got distracted..

        from 2008/5/31 posted by debim
        “The artist is a very lovely woman named Lisa Desimini. She is as big a fan girl about the series as the rest of us. Each cover represents a scene in the book. FDTW is Bill and Sookie at the wedding. She works under the direction of the art director at Charlaine’s publisher. They have requested that the characters always “float” in each cover.”

  18. 109 KC
    April 13, 2010 at 3:07 am

    Maybe Ms. Harris refined the answer because the one I posted is from her forum in January of this year.

    • 110 Serena
      April 13, 2010 at 3:23 am

      Yes, she prob did. Or maybe she forgot what her other covers looked like 😉

      But at least we know now that that is Bill and why they are hovering at odd angles. lol. But why the wedding scene? I never thought it to be important to the emotional direction or to the plot, unless it is? Man I think I just jumped onto the Bill is the rat bandwagon.

  19. 111 Lemony
    April 13, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    With regard to Gift Wrap, maybe Sookie was “close to her heart’s desire without ever realizing it.” I have wondered if Claudine did not supply Hallow with the spell she used on Eric when she went to see Hallow.It was never really stated when she went. Hallow probably would have assumed that Eric’s heart’s desire would be something tangible like money, thus they were looking for him at Fangtasia.

  20. 112 Aposmeal
    April 13, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Another clue that Bill may be the rat.
    DAG hardcover pg 98
    “Hey,does the king know about my Great Grandfather?” Eric’s face settled into lines of stone “I can’t predict Felipe’s reaction if he finds out my lover. Bill and I are the only one who have that knowledge now. It has to stay that way.”

    I am sure that Bill thought if he told the king this and had Eric held he could look like the hero in Sookie’s eyes.

  21. 113 Freyja
    April 13, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I read some comment about the book on amazon that few years back CH said that Sookie had not yet met her HEA 😦 I don’t know if thats true but I hope NOT!!!
    Oh and I read in another comment from one woman who already read book 10 that she felt sorry for Bill in the end of the book.

  22. 116 Jo
    April 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Freyja, CH once commented that she knew with whom Sookie would end since the second book, and that every candidate had already been presented, it is clear that today I can not believe 100% in what she says, think in a comment made years ago from a stranger!
    sorry for Bill? I do not know if it’s good or bad

    • 117 Freyja
      April 13, 2010 at 6:28 pm

      If that is true than there is only Eric and Sam, I think we can scratch out Bill…

      I just want Sookie to begin a real relationship with Eric in book 10 (I don’t want it to drag any longer) and the next three books to be about her life and what she/they have to deal with, as a vampire/human couple, their troubles with vamp society, her digging in to her past, maybe taking Hunter into her life, and about her future as a telepath, maybe give up her job in Merlotte’s and take on a consultant job in the sups/vamp society. Why should their relationship have to drag out to book 13?? And CH said it’s possible that the books could be more than just 13 😛
      But than of course Quinn is suppose too reappear in book 11 and 12 (and maybe 13?). So possibly we’ll have to be dragged along.

      • 118 VikingLover
        April 14, 2010 at 12:31 am

        [I just want Sookie to begin a real relationship with Eric in book 10 (I don’t want it to drag any longer) and the next three books to be about her life and what she/they have to deal with, as a vampire/human couple, their troubles with vamp society, her digging in to her past, maybe taking Hunter into her life, and about her future as a telepath, maybe give up her job in Merlotte’s and take on a consultant job in the sups/vamp society. Why should their relationship have to drag out to book 13?? And CH said it’s possible that the books could be more than just 13}

        I agree Freyja. This is exactly what I want too. This is how I would like to finish out the series.

    • 121 LLE
      April 13, 2010 at 7:51 pm

      She told the poster on her board that she knew who was going to be Sookie HEA in middle of her first book. She wrote notes and it took two years to sell the first book.

  23. 122 eh
    April 13, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Can someone tell me what this is reference to: “so maybe this story could have some meaning for the main story in the future and could be related with this new Alcide’s devious act that she mentioned last week.” I didn’t hear about the Alcide thing and would really like to know.

    Also, I saw the cover as an idea that Bill might be looking over and out for Sookie as danger (lightening) comes close. That being, I think he also might the rat. How did he ever know that Niall was Sookie’s g-grandfather to begin with?

    • April 22, 2010 at 2:56 am

      eh – A few weeks back CH said in an interview that while writing DITF, Alcide turned out to be a not very likeable guy and that he does something devious.

      I actually happen to know what this is, and I can tell you I don’t think we’ll be counting him in the HEA equation anymore.

  24. 124 KC
    April 13, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Here’s something more from FDTW that bothers me about Bill: Bill’s done all the research for his database but Jonathan’s appearance at the wedding doesn’t set off any alarms? And, when Jonathan confronts Sookie at the car, why doesn’t Bill feel Sookie’s fear through their tie and come running?

    • 125 eh
      April 13, 2010 at 7:58 pm

      I think in regards to the Bill feeling Sookie’s fear . . he hadn’t had her blood in a long time, and the blood tie weakens with time if it is not kept up. So, maybe he didn’t feel her fear.

      Also, in regards to Jonathon – remember, Bill didn’t register who/what Charles was either – and if Jonathon told Bill the same story that he gave Sookie, Bill may not have had a reason to question it.

    • 126 Dwimordene
      April 13, 2010 at 8:19 pm

      I suppose the BB is already gone, but as the one who is doing the database (and that worknever ends) he should be more interested in every vampire he sees, and by so, being working as the investigator of area 5 which is suppossed to be. He should know every vampire who goes to LA and their reassons. Also he was all night looking over Sookie, I’m sure… He can’t stop being a stalker, and so he should have seen Jonathan talking to her. Every clue takes us to him. Of course, there are a lot of times when inocent people are incriminated because of coincidences.

  25. April 13, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    This book has my favourite Bill moment: “Bill looked at Amelia as if she turned into a baboon.” BWAHAHAHAHA *dies laughing* I’m picturing Stephen Moyer doing that face and it is BRILLIANT.

  26. 130 Liz
    April 13, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    ive been considering what the night with the fae could mean to ES furure, and although they were not a couple romantically, they were married, so i think it may have some vampire legal consequence.

  27. 131 KC
    April 13, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Ms. Harris said that Bill *called* Sookie to him in Rhodes so I assume the tie between them is still active.

  28. 132 Ericrocks
    April 13, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    KC said “Ms. Harris said that Bill *called* Sookie to him in Rhodes so I assume the tie between them is still active”.

    I just finished this passage in All Together Dead not an hour ago, and that was not mentioned in any way. What happened was this; Sook was tripping around the rubble, and stumbled upon Bill partially hidden under some drywall. His face was burnt and crispy and he said “I knew you’d find me”. Only Sook wasn’t sure if he actually said or if she just imagined it.She covered him as best she could and called for help. She did not give him another thought.

    • 133 LLE
      April 13, 2010 at 10:42 pm

      Poster asked the question on CH’s board and her answer was that Bill called her through the blood tide. I agree with you that it’s not in the book.

    • 137 Angie
      April 14, 2010 at 7:00 am

      Really? I thought Sookie happened upon him by accident, and didn’t leave him there to die because, um, she’s not a horrible human being. But I don’t think she actually sought him out or anything. I remember actually feeling a little sorry for Bill. I mean, she actually called Quinn to warn him about the bombs, and she went to rescue Eric and Pam, but yeah, she didn’t seem to give a thought at all to Bill until she stumbled across him.

      • 138 LLE
        April 14, 2010 at 2:19 pm

        Sookie hope that Bill and Quinn made it out of fire. Sookie did not have to worry about Eric and Pam because she was them. Sookie went to Eric not Bill and Quinn.

  29. 139 Dan
    April 14, 2010 at 7:29 am

    For those that have not listened to the SVM on audio-book, it’s worth a try, especially if going back through the books for the umpteenth time. I have done all nine this way and it’s the best entertainment I have had. The reader, Johanna Parker, is much more Sookie to me than Anna. She got better with every new book.

    • April 14, 2010 at 8:06 am

      I’m doing this at the moment Dan. It’s true, you really do get a different perspective, particularly on the dialogue.

    • April 14, 2010 at 2:26 pm

      I really need to get my little hands on the audio books. I do a lot of driving and for could use (yet another) another refresher between DITF. 😉 My husband would be knocking on my car window in the driveway: “What the hell are you doing?! You’ve been sitting out here for 20 minutes!”

      Me: “Shut up! Gracious plenty!”

      Husband: “Gracious what?”

      Me: “NO TALKY!”

    • 143 Holby
      April 21, 2010 at 4:10 am

      I have done all the books via audio and only use the hardcopy to look up specific passages, but it is great. Stephen King even points out how listening to the audio engages such a different part of your brain and, being a fast reader, I often skip descriptors, which you cannot do if you are listening to someone else read….it makes you comprehend pretty thoroughly!

  30. 144 Skarlove
    April 14, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    I’m up to the part in FDTW where Copley comes over to dinner with Sookie and Amelia…..two things struck me here. First, when Copley starts talking about Remy Savoy – he’s really complimentary. A bit over the top, I think.

    Pg.43 – “You should take the time to meet him someday. He’s an interesting man.” “He’s a skilled carpenter. I’d love to track him down and hire him again.” Sookie is not surprised at his existence, but makes her point that their paths would probably never cross now that Hadley is gone. Then a few paragraphs later, he drops the bombshell ” I think you’d want to see the baby though.”

    So why is it so important to Copley to enlighten Sookie with all this? It seems suspicious to me. He’s digging for her reaction, but I don’t know why. I wonder what sort of relationship Copley and Remy had, and if he knows that Sookie and Hunter share the telepathy trait. Hmmmm.

    Second question – when Copley and Marley leave, Sookie begins to think of ways to reach Remy. Her first thought is Bill, because of his famed “computer savviness”. Ha! Since Sookie apparently has a fear of Google and yellowpages.com, why on earth doesn’t she think of asking Amelia? I know Amelia’s computer literate, so why would she call in the “Genie’s Free Wish” from Niall? Any thoughts?

    • April 14, 2010 at 7:45 pm

      [ So why is it so important to Copley to enlighten Sookie with all this? It seems suspicious to me. He’s digging for her reaction, but I don’t know why. I wonder what sort of relationship Copley and Remy had, and if he knows that Sookie and Hunter share the telepathy trait. Hmmmm. ]

      I don’t see Copley as being that into the situation. I think he likes to know where people’s loyalties lay and how far their knowledge goes, so he can make use of it later if he has a need. He seems like the kind of man who makes it his business to know other people’s business, since it can and does come in handy. I don’t get the idea that he became a powerful, rich businessman by being a pussycat.

      [ Since Sookie apparently has a fear of Google and yellowpages.com, why on earth doesn’t she think of asking Amelia? I know Amelia’s computer literate, so why would she call in the “Genie’s Free Wish” from Niall? Any thoughts? ]

      This particular question, I hadn’t given any thought to… I really have no clue why her first line of info WOULDN’T be Amelia. I mean, they live together, sheesh. Perhaps she trusts Bill’s “discretion” (HAHA) in matters like this, in case something unsavory was uncovered? Amelia is a bit of a chatty Cathy. Or maybe because of her limited exposure to all things technological, she’s really only been exposed to Bill’s technoabilities, so her initial response is to go to him first. She could have thought it was a much harder task to locate someone than it actually is, because of her ignorance of the whole thing.

      The Niall thing… ehhhh… I think Sookie had been looking for a reason to have something to “bond” with Niall over. He wanted to do something for her and since Remy is technically family, too, perhaps it seemed to Sookie that Niall would be amenable to it since it would really be like helping his family as a whole.

      What I’m wondering is IF Niall didn’t already know about Hunter’s abilities, does he now that Sookie brought Remy & Co. to his attention?

  31. 146 Skarlove
    April 14, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Lena, perhaps you are right about Copley’s innocent “mover & shaker” business persona. However, something just doesn’t sit right with me! Why does he have such an interest in breaking the news about Hunter? Cope probably already knows that Sookie is a telepath. If he didn’t before arriving to their house, Marley would have found out at Merlotte’s and reported back to him later.

    Does Cope know about Hunter’s ability? He seems like more than just an acquaintance to Remy, but I’m sure that’s something that Remy would want to keep secret. Is Cope stepping in to give this child a mentor? That would certainly be altruistic, but somehow methinks greater forces are at play.

    About Niall’s assistance in the search for the Savoys…….if I had a special favor from a powerful fairy grandparent, I’d sure use it for something better. Bonding or no bonding. Niall doesn’t seem to care about any of his other descendants. Just Sookie.

    I can’t help but think that Cope’s future involvement in Sookie’s world with de Castro (via Sandy) will come back to the forefront. Not sayin he’s the rat, but there’s more there than meets the eye.

    • 147 Holby
      April 21, 2010 at 4:27 am

      Okay, I have another question about Niall. When Sookie mentions Jason to him in the restaurant, he is disdainful. “Somehow the essential spark passed Jason by. I know that he is made of the same material as you, but in him the blood has only shown itself in his ability to attract lovers. Which, after all, is not much recommendation.”

      Recommendation for what? In what way is the blood showing itself in Sookie? Isn’t it suggested later on that the telepathy is probably not a fae trait, but just HER? If so, what is this essential spark that Niall is seeking, how has it expressed itself in any significant way in Sookie that it has not been expressed in Jason (after all, Sookie IS attracting Supes who want to be her lovers)? And what is the recommendation???

      Someone, give me a theory!

    • April 22, 2010 at 3:03 am

      Honestly, something stinks to high heaven with Cope. And I’ll probably get flayed for saying this – but with Amelia as well.

      I like her – I think she’s a great character – but I have never trusted her. Who invites themselves to go live with someone? Whatever Amelia has disclosed to Cope about Sookie I’m pretty sure it was unintentional. But her father is up to no good and pulling Amelia’s strings like a puppet.

      We already know from Ch1 of DITF that Amelia has left Bon Temps, but the fact that she’s going to chase up the BB issue with Octavia – and Sookie dropping an absolute ANVIL of a hint that one day Amelia would be a scary powerful witch – tells me that we have definitely not seen the last of Ms Amelia Broadway, nor her dodgier than dodgy father. They will be back, and the fact that Quinn – with his dodgy ties and debts and god knows what else to Nevada – will also be back in book 11 is a bit concerning.

      I’m not convinced Cope is the rat either but he is definitely a threat to sookie and one that she doesn’t really seem to be taking seriously – even though it’s clear her instincts about him are dead on.

      Gee, Sookie ignoring her gut instincts again. How unusual.

      • 149 Skarlove
        April 22, 2010 at 2:28 pm

        I am so with you on the Cope/Amelia angles. I certainly don’t think Amelia stuck around in Bon Temps so long after Katrina out of loneliness OR the desire to stay off her dad’s radar. Sookie herself questions why Amelia hasn’t gone back to N.O. yet….considering that Cope is so prominent in the construction world.

        The Drake thing also really weirds me out. Why would Amelia be so gung-ho to have Sookie date someone who looks just like Jason? I would never try and fix up a friend with someone the spitting image of her own brother. Amelia is knowledgeable enough about magic and the Supe world in general to have known that something was up with him. She also knows Sookie is sleeping with Eric, and that she would never be able to date a human male – yet proceeds to ask her anyway. Then feigns (IMO, at least) guilt when she is called out for what she’s done!

        Amelia also a bit TOO GOOD to be true – obsessively clean, always playfully calling Sookie “Roomie”….maybe I’m paranoid. But Geez! Sookie should be too, after all she’s been through by now!

        Something smells rotten in Denmark with both of them……I still think (as I mentioned in a few posts last week)that Copley is too familiar with Remy for it to be of no importance later.

        Aaaargh. Can’t wait for DITF.

  32. 150 Sarah StC
    April 16, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Hey – maybe I totally missed something in my re-read, but do we ever find out for sure why Sookie and Eric are attacked after dinner with Niall?

    The were war was the main plot point in that part of the book, but is it ever firmly established that Sookie was targeted because of her importance to Alcide?

    The attacker was a were, but could the attack have been orchestrated by the Nevada vamps, the enemy fae, or some other party?

    • 151 Skarlove
      April 19, 2010 at 11:12 pm

      I just finished the re-read myself yesterday. I think you’re right – Priscilla was behind the were war, and she never mentioned the involvement of “Lucky” in her plan. Or even really mentioned knowing who Sookie was, right? Much less admitting to a murder attempt? She only mentioned that Cal Myers was her brother, if memory serves.

      Lucky worked briefly for Furnan, I believe, but the connection is never broached again after he is identified. Furnan and Alcide were played against one another in this takeover attempt, and I think the details of the Eric/Sookie Were attack fell by the wayside.

      I do hope you’re right, and that it’s not a CH plothole. It would be interesting if Nevada or Breandan’s crew were behind it.

      • 152 Holby
        April 21, 2010 at 2:24 pm

        Although CH does firmly establish that Cal Meyer HATES Sookie. She embarassed him at the pack leader contest and looks at her with raw hate when he sees her at the police station, so I don’t think it is too much of a leap to think that he knew she was associated with Alcide and taking her out would satisfy his need for revenge and be a strike against Alcide at the same time.

  33. 154 KPMRSE
    April 22, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    I finished the re-read last night. Here are the questions that I’m left with. Most likely, you have answered these before, but:

    1). Why on earth would Sam call Eric to cheer up Sookie/get to the bottom of her bad mood over the Crystal/Jason/Calvin situation? E/S are not in a “relationship” at this point. Why would Sam go there? When have Sam/Eric had other interactions that would make it plausible for Sam to even call Eric, let alone be close enough confidant to either of them to have some insight into Eric and Sookie’s “relationship”? Am I missing something? Or, did Sam call Eric to get him there because he was acting on orders from Victor/Sandy to get both Eric and FDC in one place for a showdown with Seigbert. Sam’s a businessman too. From his new vamp contact to the new world order in Sandy, he might of been made a deal he couldn’t afford to refuse.

    2). Then, why was FDC at Merlotte’s looking for Eric? I would think you were summoned to the king. The King doesn’t come looking for you. And, as a King, I would think that you wouldn’t go anywhere without some muscle of your own, especially around a kingdom you just took over. Unless of course, you were called there under false pretenses.

    • 155 Gigi
      April 22, 2010 at 11:39 pm

      Excellent assesment and I like the way you relate the motives with the outcomes!!

    • April 23, 2010 at 2:03 am

      These ARE really good questions. I’ve said here before that there was a very clear shift with Sam’s character starting in this book. It became very clear that he had his fingers in pies that neither we, or Sookie really knew about. His detailed little briefing of FDC’s business interests was a huge red flag – how the fuck would he know this and more pertinently, WHY would he have an interest in knowing this?

      1) No Eric and Sookie aren’t in a relationship at this point – and someone will have to verify this for me bc I’m at work and I don’t have my books – but hasn’t Sookie already told Sam about what happened in Rhodes, and about the blood bond? On the surface it would appear that knowing about the BB, Sam called Eric because he knew Eric could a) get her to spill what was bothering her and b) help her feel better. Unfortunately Eric was completely preoccupied with his own shit and was all but useless on both accounts. Eric has been into Merlotte’s a number of times in previous books, plus the whole supe community knows there is something between Eric and Sookie – so Sam knows full well who Eric is and where to find him. Remember in DTTW Eric was in Merlotte’s hanging off Sookie and making absolutely no effort to conceal the fact that they were bed buddies, in full view of Sam and a motley assortment of supes from all over.

      2) However – it also very VERY odd that, as you say FDC showed up there looking for Eric – almost as if he was summoned…and also that Sam ended up involved in that fracas with Sigebert. Sookie says he was out there taking out trash or something and just in the wrong place at the wrong time – because that’s what Sookie thinks. We already know what sookie THINKS and what is actually going on are often two different things. From what we know about DITF it seems that parking lot scene will be a piece of the puzzle so you can damn well BET that CH didn’t just put Sam in there to give him something to do. Taking out the trash? Come ON!

      Alot of people are very against the idea that Sam would sell Sookie out but I don’t discount it. We know NOTHING about Sam really. Nine freaking books and we still know NOTHING. Yet he is STILL hanging around like some nasty smell. WHY?

      • 157 KPMRSE
        April 23, 2010 at 2:32 pm

        Completely agree that Sam is becoming even more shifty. Even if the whole supe world knows Eric and Sookie’s history, about the BB, etc, it still seems very odd to me that Sam called Eric and rather than saying, as a friend and her boss would:
        “Hey, Sookie’s a bit out of it/ really upset about something, given your history, I thought you might want to know because you could help her snap out of it, because as her friend, I can’t seem to be able to.”

        Instead, He says,” Hey, Sookie’s a bit out of it/ really upset about something, given your history, would you come to interupt HER JOB TONIGHT (I realize that I’m her boss, and not only its really inappropriate to talk about personal business at work, not counting the fact that she’ll be on MY timeclock at the time.) to talk to her.”

        Stinks to high heaven. And where there’s garbage, there’s usually rats.


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