23
Apr
10

FDTW – Reread Wrap Up

We have just two days left until we complete our reread of From Dead to Worse.

As the original post is now quite choked with comments and getting quite difficult to follow, I thought we could do with a fresh place to wrap up.

Did the reread raise even more questions than it answered?

What are some of the questions you feel were answered, or that you might have gained a fresh insight into?

What’s your latest half baked conspiracy theory?

For me, I think this is one of my favourite books of the series. The focus is very much on the political machinations of the vampires, and the takeover and the subplot of Quinn’s involvement had me riveted. Sookie finally seems show a vague inkling that her fortunes are tied to those of the vampires with whom she chooses to associate – and for the first time she seems to really take an interest in what is going on above her head. Keep it up Sook…some political nouse will serve you well in the coming books, I think.

Before moving on to our Dead and Gone reread in the next few days, we’d love to hear your final thoughts about Book 8.

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152 Responses to “FDTW – Reread Wrap Up”


  1. 1 Tam77
    April 23, 2010 at 4:40 am

    Fintan had other children by different mothers.

    Nyall mentions that Fintan knew he could get Gran pregnant as he had gotten another human pregnant, but she died in childbirth. He doesn’t mention what happend to the child.
    Later Sookie asks if Fintan had other children, and Nyall doesn’t say no but says they will discuss that later… they never do (typical Sook – she doesn’t ask questions!!)

    Maybe Sook has other part-fae relatives that could come into the picture… not just Claude and Dermott.

  2. 5 Tam77
    April 23, 2010 at 5:11 am

    *Niall*

    Another thought….
    Eric seems to know what is going on in Bon Temps and with Sookie… almost like someone is feeding him information.
    Sam calls Eric to come and cheer up Sookie after the hand mashing.
    Sam seems to know a lot more about the supe world than he used to, particularly when he seemed to not care and not want to get involved before.

    When Sam was shot and needed a replacement for the bar, the terms were that he owed Eric a favour. On the page, that favour has not been called in. Is Sam feeding information to Eric as repayment of that favour?

  3. April 23, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Ahaha Tam you should have a look over this post – it’s one of the first posts I did on this blog and believe me, I have tossed the idea of Sam feeding information to Eric ALOT. I hope it’s not true though, because Sookie will be pissed at both of them. So very, very pissed.

    https://sookieverseblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/why-sam-is-not-the-man/

    There is absolutely something shifty going on with the shifter. NO doubt! I just don’t think she’s given us enough info to crack it yet.

    In fact, we know SO little about Sam it’s hard to even know where to start speculating 😦

    • 7 Ericrocks
      April 23, 2010 at 1:33 pm

      I have jumped ahead of as I already rereading DAG. Just this morning while I was waiting at the Docter’s office I read the scene after the fairies tortured Sook and she is in the field hospital talking with Dr. Ludwig.Sookie asked if someone had told Sam and how long she had been out.

      Dr Ludwig’s response; “I don’t know. I imagine so. He seems to hear everything”.

      Hmmmmm………………………………

      I will save anymore comments about DAG for the reread, but I thought that pertained to the subjuct.

      That Shifter!

  4. 9 Tam77
    April 23, 2010 at 5:43 am

    Thanks SVB – will do!!

    After reading the SVM books recently (all 9 in 1 week !!) I rabidly searched the net for like minded adicts – and this is by far the best blog I have found!! THANK YOU for providing a safe haven for my insanity.

    • April 23, 2010 at 5:45 am

      Oh Tam I think you’ve probably found your spiritual home here 😉

      That’s really quick to get through all nine! If you go back and linger over them a bit, you’ll find some pretty amazing stuff 😉

      • 11 Tam77
        April 23, 2010 at 6:24 am

        Hmmmm… that was just the first time I read them (only last month!!)
        Now, only 2 months later, I’m almost finished my third read through of the series
        My husband thinks I have completely lost the plot!!

        What I really love about this series is how you perceive conversations, actions and plot lines totally differently each time you read it. Some of the very basic continuity mistakes tick me off, though!!

        I started the third read after finding this blog and reading your theories, particularly the one on Quinn (which I had totally missed myself). After re-reading, I still don’t see him as QSA’s Bill v2.0 – I just don’t think that she needed him to be able to take control Sook at that point. I like to think that Eric’s reactions were based on nothing more than jealousy (not awareness of some deeper plot between QSA and Quinn). The breakup scene in FDTW was completely lame (a coincidence that she dumped him after Eric started calling her ‘my lover’ again… I think not!!). I think Quinn will be pissed that she dumped him, pissed that she didn’t give him a chance when he came back again in DAG – revenge anyone….

        • 12 KittyKat
          April 23, 2010 at 9:01 am

          Eric is nothing if not an opportunist (then again who isn’t). In book 6 is him getting really furious at the whole situation. He had messed up feelings, and instead of being able to have time to figure things out, here comes Quinn and stars making serious advances, messes up his timing and gets in the way. He knew that Quinn was trash of course, but it’s not like he could just spill the beans and be taken seriously by Sookie if he did. Besides, he didn’t seem ready to advance to a relationship at that point, he wanted her susceptible to him, though. Obviously once he decided to go after Sookie for real, he started taking any openings he could get, driving a wedge if needed. IMO this started in Book 7.

          Then, when he actually remembered his own feelings that confirmed what he had been feeling for a while (he was obviously desperate to know his own version of the events, not just Sookie’s. He clearly wanted to know what HE had felt), amnesia or no amnesia, he did signal in a very explicit fashion to her that, provided the chance and her willingness, that’s where he’d head (that they’d come to an understanding, and by calling her “lover” as he did during his stay).

          Quinn’s place in the equation regarding QSA is a simpler one. Unlike Bill, Quinn isn’t Eric’s subordinate, and I bet it seemed an even easier way for the queen to acquire her, since it was obvious to her that at that stage, Bill no longer had enough pull to bring her in and she wanted to have direct access to Sookie without having to please Eric in order to maintain that access. And Sookie was already immersed enough in vamp politics to make Bill’s presence in the scheme unnecessary, as she had been hired to work for the vamps a few times already. So, she asked Quinn, and he relayed the message, he didn’t really owe anything to Eric, definitely not in a way any vampire would.

      • 13 Skarlove
        April 23, 2010 at 2:56 pm

        SVB, I know we’re not quite there yet. Sorry to jump the gun. But I just finished re-reading DAG a few days ago, and I would like to make an advance request for a what seems like a really pertinent Book 9 question. I didn’t know where else to ask it yet, so since you are also providing a “safe haven” for MY INSANITY too……here goes:

        Why the hell does d’Eriq (the new guy at Merlotte’s)know so much about Supes? He and his attached-at-the hip buddy Antoine are just about ecstatic that the Weres have come out, and D’Eriq can spot a fairy when no one else can. Just food for thought I’m hoping you include in your next book discussion!

  5. 14 Pogonip
    April 23, 2010 at 6:19 am

    These books are very odd. I am not a re-reader, nor a reader of “serious” books anymore. (BTDT, got the degrees, stuck a fork in it.) Harris is no Shakespeare, not even an Updike, but I have found that re-reading these books not only holds my interest (OK, I’m a lightweight these days), but I find all sorts of tidbits and morsels that I missed the first time through. I also note that some parts read differently once I know what is coming a book or two ahead. I am really getting my money’s worth out of these books!

    • 15 Tam77
      April 23, 2010 at 6:44 am

      Pogonip, I COMPLETELY agree!!!

      The first read through, I was totally into the Bill and Sook storyline (until Book 3 anyway). Everything was against them, they were struggling to be together, yadda yadda yadda, oh how romantic. With hindsight, this first reaction seems completely niave!
      The second read through, I started to see how Bill was a completely controlling, selfish, agressive bastard from day one. I find it staggering that anyone would say that it is Eric that looks after No.1 – Bill’s actions show he is the biggest BL of them all.

      Reading through FDTW again, I am now seeing that Bill could be headed for betrayal No.3… He would ‘do anything’ to lie with Sookie again (….anything!!).
      He breaks up with Selah after Sookie uses her as an excuse for not talking to him at the wedding (I think he dumps Selah and ‘pensions her off’ in the real estate job) He was only ever using her to make Sook jealous and when that failed he booted her.
      The relationship with Victor is just too suspicious…. wouldn’t betrayal to Nevada set up the perfect opportunity to off Eric and come out the hero and saviour??

      He has done MANY MANY ‘misguided’ things in an attempt to get Sookie back (all of them selfish and selfserving). Any ‘selfless’ act by this point looks like just that… an act.

      • 16 Holby
        April 24, 2010 at 5:16 am

        This is an interesting theory about Selah. I was always taken aback when Bill tells Sookie that he was not Selah’s first Vamp and that she is hooked on them…because when Selah sizes Sookie up at Merlotte’s, Sookie checks out her head and, even though Selah asked Sookie about advice for dating a vamp, Sookie reads only sexual insecurity, not past vampire experience. Hmmmm

        • 17 Suzanna
          April 24, 2010 at 1:24 pm

          And if she had past vamp experience, she wouldn’t need advice. This suggests three things: 1) Selah lied to Bill; 2) Bill lied to Sookie (big shocker there); 3) It’s another one of CH’s continuity errors.

  6. 18 Serena
    April 23, 2010 at 6:32 am

    I think the reread reaffirmed my belief in the Sophie-Anne theory, that she is alive and aiding Victor Madden. And i think i’ve come up with a new double rat theory…

    The main reason I think she is alive and kicking is what Eric says to Sookie, post memory regaining, “Victor is ruthless, but he won’t destroy something he may be able to use.” So what advantages does VM see in keeping SA? I think one being her bond with Sigebert and the other being the information she has that could be used to manipulate the other vampires of LA.

    In FDTW, Sigebert’s showing up at Merlotte’s is a mystery to FDC, seeing as his subordinates told him he was dead, and we all know if your minions lie to you once they will probably do it again… After reading SA’s obituary Sookie wonders to herself, “what had really happened to Sigebert. Victor had implied what Sigebert had perished along with the Queen, but he hadn’t definitely said so. I couldn’t believe he could still be alive. He would never have let anyone get close enough to kill Sophie-Anne. Sigebert had been at her side for so many years, hundreds upon hundreds, I didn’t think he could have survived her loss.” And well, .. he didn’t die, but that means he did survive her loss or he survived because she survived? Sookie thinks their lives are linked exclusively together, so why is he still roaming the earth? But why does he show up in Bon Temps? On the reread I noticed that Sookie describes Sigebert with severe injuries, which at first I thought hurt my SA theory. Oh maybe he did almost die? And those silly Nevada vamps forgot to check the corpse? But then i thought again, wait why is he showing up in Bon Temps with any injuries at all? Wouldn’t the better way to get revenge on FDC/Eric be to attack at full force once he’s healed up a bit? I mean, I know Sigebert is described as a little slow but I would think the warrior in him would make sure he brought his A game to wipe out his nemesis. So I definitely think he was sent by VM via SA, where he gave SA no choice but to send her ever faithful servant to attack FDC/Eric and unwittingly to his death.

    So besides the control of powerful Sigebert, SA is ripe with useful info about the more significant members of the local vampire community. What we know Sophie Anne knows: 1. Bill loves Sookie 2. Eric loves Sookie 3. Sookie is a telepath 4. Sookie has Fae blood…. thus Sophie-Anne is then a candidate to be Rat of the Highest Order. Victor could have easily forced out every detail of Sookie and Eric’s lives from the legless SA. But SA isn’t the perfect rat candidate, her major failing the ability to be aware of and commit the abduction notification, which brings me to conclude that there are two rats.

    Notice the significance of SA’s knowledge # 1. Beehl luves Soookie. And if you combo that with Bill’s outrageously stupid declaration of love, “i will die for her,” Bill you stupid moron why don’t you just staple the bull’s eye to your forehead statement, Victor knew how to take advantage of dear Mr. Compton. (Granted, the statement might have told him enough on its own, but with SA’s more thorough knowledge of what has occurred between Sookie and Bill, Victor could have his suspicions confirmed and then they would have been easier for him to act upon.) Perhaps VM approached Bill sometime in the first half of DAG about helping him get his Sookie back. And Bill went to VM to take him up on his offer. (I think this very likely could have taken place after Bill is seen stalking outside Sookie’s house. Creep). Bill could have thus called VM after her abduction to ask for his help in restraining Eric so Bill could play the hero. I also gave it some thought that maybe Bill called VM looking for more help in order to save Sookie but seeing as no exta help from Nevada came to Sookie’s rescue, VM ignored him and decided to just restrain Eric and to leave Sookie to her fate. Either way, Bill gets to tell Sookie one day, “I did it because I love you. I did it to protect you. I had no choice.” Its so very Beehl.

    Oh and has anyone wondered why Bill is ‘not too concerned about his health’ in DITF? Might he be either wracked with guilt for what he did, or he knows Eric is going to kill him when he finds out? Either way, to me it smells like guilty conscience!!

    • 19 Tam77
      April 23, 2010 at 7:15 am

      I think one reason Bill isn’t too concerned about fixing his health is because he knows that Sookie loves to help those in need… being sick keeps her in his life and close to him.

      • 20 Janofarc
        April 23, 2010 at 7:42 pm

        Bingo. He kept her close to him in the first two books by playing on her guilt gland. If he gets better then she won’t be there to look after him anymore…

        • 21 Holby
          April 24, 2010 at 5:21 am

          The “Bill with Munchausen’s Theory” I love it!

        • 23 EricObsessed
          April 27, 2010 at 7:15 pm

          OK, I never thought about Bill trying to get hurt for Sookie’s attention but after reading these posts yesterday and then re-reading FDTW last night there’s this line where Quinn’s sister Frannie arrives to warn Sookie about the Vegas vamps on the way to LA…

          Frannie: “he couldn’t let you know how bad it was. He said he knew you’d try to get him out of it somehow, but there was no way out.”
          Sookie: “Well, sure i would have tried to get him out of it. That’s what you do when someone’s in trouble.”
          Bill was silent but I felt his eyes on me.

          This info could have also prompted his stupid “I would die for her” declaration to Victor.

    • 24 Skarlove
      April 23, 2010 at 1:43 pm

      Wow! I love the notion that QSA is still alive………I hadn’t thought of that. Major implications there.

    • 25 KPMRSE
      April 23, 2010 at 2:38 pm

      Yes! Hadn’t thought of either that, but it makes perfect sense!

    • 26 Mia
      April 24, 2010 at 12:06 am

      I haven’t finished the re-read, but I love the idea that SA might be alive; I really liked her character. It really hadn’t occurred to me that logically Sigebert should have died first; he would never have abandoned SA to save himself. Once Sigebert is dead & the takeover is complete, I can’t imagine why Victor would still need the queen though. What would she still have to offer?

      The things I noticed about Bill’s declaration of dying for or killing for Sookie was his challenge for Eric to do the same. It wasn’t all about Sookie, but seems to be about besting Eric too. I mean timing-wise, they’re all about to possibly die, and this is what Bill is concentrating on?

      Additionally if Bill’s comment was a misguided effort to keep Sookie safe, it is actually Eric who assures her safety by telling Victor “if anything happens to her, forces you can’t imagine will be set in motion” which gives Victor pause since he is already doubting he knows everything about her.

  7. 27 Dunkinstiks
    April 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Wow! Great call on QSA being alive! What gets me is that Eric said Bill was able to ignore VM calls while Eric was being restrained. Why would VM just call Bill, wouldn’t he send some henchmen or minion vamps to secure Bill also as was done to Pam and Eric? More so since they are not known loyalist to him or FDC, and when he could not reach Bill why didn’t he look for him?

    • 28 KittyKat
      April 23, 2010 at 3:45 pm

      I have to agree that it’s kind of lame, as far as “restraining Bill” goes. Is calling his cellphone the best they’d come up with? Geeez……

    • 29 Ericrocks
      April 23, 2010 at 3:50 pm

      I am still focused on that “Shifter” Sorry, Sammycakes on the brain.

      When Sigebert showed up in the Merlottes’s parking lot to do whatever he was going to do to Eric & FDC, why did he just restrain Sam? I would think he would just kill any being that was in his way, UNLESS, he was told not to harm the shifter.

      The whole scene has my mind spinning, from the set up to the end.

      I still smell a rat. And I am certain he could physically become one!

    • April 23, 2010 at 9:28 pm

      That stank to me too. Seems ludicrous that they would go to all that trouble to restrain Eric and not bother with Bill. Whatever is between Eric and Bill, they HAD to have known that if Eric had a problem involving Sookie that he couldn’t deal with himself, Bill would be his #1 go-to guy. As much as he doesn’t like it, Eric knows (believes?) that Bill would do his best to keep her safe.

      On the QSA thing – interesting that Eric was given the news during the takeover that she was dead from none other than Victor. “Your queen is dead, Viking.” Did any other character verify this or was it all Victor’s say so?

      • 32 Serena
        April 23, 2010 at 10:05 pm

        So far as I know, Victor is the only character to mention SA’s death. The next/last time it is mentioned is by Sookie while reading the fake obituary.

        • 33 Gigi
          April 24, 2010 at 12:43 am

          Yes, Victor was the only one who said it.

          [There was a long silence while Victor selected his opening line.
          “Your queen is dead, Viking,” he said.]

          But he never confirmed that Sigbert was dead, he just said: [“…and Sigebert seems to have perished with Sophie‐Anne.”]

      • 34 Dwimordene
        April 24, 2010 at 11:55 am

        Could he have only said a half truth? I mean… CH, when refering to the end of a vampire, says “finally dead”, as they are dead already when existing (though it’s a bit stupid point, even if the heart doesn’t work, the mind does, and so, they are living creatures… 😛 ).
        Victor said jus “dead”… Letting the listeners think whatever they want. I’m possitive that he did the same with the king.
        Obviously the queen is dead, she is a vampire.

        Just a thought.

  8. 35 Robin
    April 23, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    New here, I have been lurking for several months (like Bill) and have thoroughly enjoyed the input and analysis of the SVM. I am so on board with Serena’s thoughts that QSA may still be alive, working, by choice or not, with Victor Madden in his plans to bring down FDC. Her thoughts on why Sigebert was still alive make perfect sense to me, he would have fought to the death to protect her. I also have a sneaking feeling that Bill may be the rat – that he struck a deal with Victor Madden so he would appear to be the hero for Sookie. I just cannot get past Bill telling Sookie that he would do “anything to lie with her again”. And, it would be the perfect twist of treachery for CH to throw into the storyline. I may be wrong, but it seems perfectly plausible to me. If this theory plays out, it sounds as if we will not find out about it in DITF.

    SVB, I agree with your thoughts about Sam. I cannot figure out if he represents good or evil -not enough information there. I really felt that CH led us to believe he was a good character for so long, but she has been giving us subtle clues that raise red flags that would lead us to believe otherwise with the last few books. Someone mentioned that he could possibly be Fae, able to cover up his scent and shapeshift similar to Preston Pardloe. What if he is the missing child of Fintan? Also, I can’t get past the idea that Sookie always describes his hair as a halo. Is he an angel? So many possibilities!

    BTW, I firmly believe the SVM as a whole is a story about Sookie and Eric falling in love. You can only be led to believe that when you look at the entire series and the character development as a whole. Thanks to everyone for all of your insight. Looking forward to more discussion, especially after we all read DITF.

    • 36 Dwimordene
      April 24, 2010 at 12:01 pm

      I think CH is being affected by AB… Her books are getting a more subtle, complex and interesting plot.

  9. 37 Meta
    April 23, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Not so deep a question but…… At the wedding when all the vamps drink blood together, how come Bill doesn’t question the vamps present. Sure they were invited to the wedding but as investigator doesn’t he wonder or notice Jonathan hanging around Sookie? Shouldn’t he be high tech enough to have his database on a blackberry to check him out? Yet Eric was startled when Sookie brings it up so Jonathan didn’t get permission plus Bill didn’t let Eric know any of this….

    • 38 LLE
      April 23, 2010 at 5:54 pm

      Eric never heard of Jonathan and Bill is Eric’s investigator. Bill did not give any information to Eric about the vampires whom was at the wedding.

      • 39 Suzanna
        April 23, 2010 at 6:50 pm

        It seems to me that the only time Bill acts as the investigator for Area 5 is when it’s something that requires Sookie’s presence. You never hear about him going to look into something in Monroe or somewhere else. He’s always working on his database. Does this seem odd to anyone else?

        • April 24, 2010 at 1:25 pm

          I thought making him “investigator” was just like a pat on the head to pacify the needy dog. Like, “Of course you have a say in your life. Good boy, run along.”

    • 41 Robin
      April 23, 2010 at 7:27 pm

      It does not look good for Bill if he did not investigate Jonathan or any of the other vamps that were at the wedding. Of course, Bill could have assumed that Jonathan had asked Eric for permission to be in the Area. Does Eric realize that Bill attended the same wedding where Jonathan approached Sookie? This could be a big red flag for Eric if he ever figures that out, especially if Bill fails to mention their presence at the wedding (as Investigator of Area 5). Perhaps Eric and Sookie start putting all of the pieces of the puzzle together and discover a plot and everyone involved.

      Also, do not forget that Sam was at that wedding too. And, if I am not mistaken, all of the vamps noticed Niall. Both of these facts could also be important.

      • 42 KPMRSE
        April 24, 2010 at 2:17 pm

        Bill not sharing the information with Eric about the vamps at the wedding further galvanized my opinion that Bill is clearly out for what is best for Bill. There was no reason, benefiting Bill, for him to share any information with Eric. Since the beginning, his loyalty seemed to be with QSA. But, I’m sure his allegiances would change if someone else gave him a better deal. He would follow Eric’s orders because it kept him “undead” vs really dead, not because of any loyalty to our Viking.

    • 43 Dwimordene
      April 24, 2010 at 12:06 pm

      I put on the table the same wonder some time ago. That was the first moment when I begin to suspect of Bill (when we discovered who Jonathan was)… As an investigator his work should consist in investigate everything that happens in area five, he is not doing his job, whether he is investigating or not, he doesn’t share the informationg with his sheriff.

  10. 44 Meili
    April 23, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    I have long since suspected that SA is still alive. We have not been able to see if FDC was able to investigate as to why Sigebert was alive, despite being informed otherwise by his minions. It is hard to believe that Sigebert himself would seek out Eric & FDC to avenge his fallen Queen, especially being in the state he was in.

    I also believe that the rat is both SA and Bill. Bill has early on how vulnerable Sookie is to her heart, her humanity, her compassion. It is the best opportunity for him to win her back even if he has to risk his life. I believe that Bill is completely obsessed with Sookie and would truly do anything to win her back. He would be more than pleased to work with VM, in hopes of getting rid of Eric and winning his girl back. With VM restraining Eric, he had hoped that Sookie will, in some way, resent that Eric was not there to rescue her. It would also make her think and hopefully understand his own excuses for each betrayal i.e. Lorena was his maker, and he had to obey when she called, or a mission was ordered by the queen so he had to obey, etc.

    I’m not really buying into the Sam theory yet. I still see no reasoning for it. Maybe I’m too trusting of the shifter. 🙂 Sam seems like a true friend, who was dealing with some of his own issues. I’d need a little more persuasion in this area.

    • 45 LLE
      April 23, 2010 at 5:59 pm

      Bill let the two fairies grab Sookie and did not help her at all. Bill told her why he could not because they were two and he would die. Bill waited for Sookie’s great-grandfather to pick him up and go save Sookie. Bill excused was if he was dead nobody can smell her to find her.

      • 46 Suzanna
        April 23, 2010 at 6:51 pm

        He still could have warned her. And it just seems odd that he didn’t go ahead of her or ride with her in her car when he knows there are fae gunning for her.

        • 47 LLE
          April 23, 2010 at 8:24 pm

          Bill could had gotten in her car and drove her home and made sure she has gotten in the house and contact Eric and let another vampire come to check about Bubu.

          • 48 Robin
            April 23, 2010 at 10:32 pm

            At the very minimum, Bill could have run that traffic light when he was following her to her house. Bill knew that Tray had been poisoned outside her home and saw evidence of him being attacked in his own home, so you would think it would be prudent to stay as close as possible to Sookie to keep her safe.

            • 49 LLE
              April 23, 2010 at 11:41 pm

              Bill watch Sookie get kidnapped and did nothing and he call Eric.

              • 50 Tyqwando
                April 26, 2010 at 1:19 am

                I’m obviously new to this board, but I so love all this discussion. While we’re on the subject of Bill and the kidnapping, what stuck out to me about the scene at Tray’s houae is how did Bill, the VAMPIRE, just walk into the house, without being invited??? I’m not sure it was ever mentioned whether he had any previous dealings with Dawson or not. But that was odd to me. Was it a continuity issue or something else??
                And about Bill’s explanation that there were 2 of them…Sookie says that she only heard one voice mumbling right before she passed out, right???

  11. 51 Pogonip
    April 23, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Bill, who traveled all over the place, even to Peru, to gather information for his database, wouldn’t want to know who the vampires at the wedding are? Unless he already knew them, in which case he would also know there was at least one “advance man” from Las Vegas. Detecting rat smell there.

    The other thing about the wedding scene is that Bill, apparently wanting to tell Sookie that he still cares for her, still wants to pursue a relationship with her, boils it all down to merely wanting to jump her bones. “To lay with her again.” This is his idea of a relationship? Lie down and spread ’em?

    • 52 KC
      April 23, 2010 at 7:41 pm

      I’m suspicious about Bill not being more curious about Jonathan at the wedding too. The database is *his* undead life’s work and either Jonathan is known to Bill as part of the LV crew, or he is unknown to him and you would think he would be interested in finding out who he is so that he can *add* him to it. Either way, it’s very suspicious that Bill isn’t more curious and doesn’t even mention it to Eric, who is surprised when *he* finally hears of it from Sookie. Although I detest Bill and think that his relationship with Sookie was maniupulative and abusive from beginning to end, I think I’m backing off my theory that Bill may have given FDC or Victor intel for the takeover. First, what I remembered as “I’d do anything to lie with you again” was actually “I’d give anything to lie with you again.” I know, it’s just enough off make me wonder if it’s my bias. Also, Bill seems as surprised to see Victor at Sookie’s as Victor is surprised to see him. I’m not giving up though on Bill being the rat conspiring to ensure Eric’s delay in rescuing Sookie in DAG in a misguided (and seriously gone wrong) attempt to make himself her “white knight” and to redeem himself to her…

      • 53 Pogonip
        April 23, 2010 at 9:36 pm

        Yes, it could be simply that Bill is hoping that circumstances will play against Eric, and increase his chances even if all he does is to do nothing. Not to tell Eric about Jonathan, not to lift a hand in defense or protection of the Louisiana vampires, just to stand back and hope the fruit falls in his lap. A passive approach.

  12. 55 KC
    April 23, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Something I notice on this read that I hadn’t before, just before Sookie turns the car around to go back to Merlotte’s to save Eric, FDC and Sam, she thinks:

    “When had I ever had to worry about him before? He was one of the most
    powerful vampires I’d ever met. But Sophie-Anne had been even more
    powerful and protected by the huge warrior Sigebert, and look what had
    happened to her. I felt abruptly, acutely miserable. What was wrong with
    me?”

    Why do you suppose she thought of Sigebert when feeling Eric’s emotions through the blood bond?

    • 56 Robin
      April 23, 2010 at 10:39 pm

      Good catch KC, a little irony or foreshadowing on the part of CH?

      • April 23, 2010 at 11:29 pm

        There may be more to Sookie’s “powers” that she has not explored yet. CH has said that she will not get any new powers.
        I’m thinking maybe she hasn’t tapped into everything she is capable of doing.
        Almost dangled a participle. lol

    • 58 Gigi
      April 24, 2010 at 1:30 am

      IMO, Sookie shares with Eric a deeper and more intense connection than with any other human or supe she knows and that goes far beyond her telepathic abilities. That is so because even when Eric is dead and he doesn’t have any brain waves, she could “hear” his thoughts once. I think that was also the reason why he could feel her physical pain while she was tortured. Because, maybe I’m wrong because I read it a while ago and I might even misunderstand what she said, but I remembered CH explain once the differences between the bonds of Maker/Child and Vampire/Lover. And she states that Maker/Child can feel not only emotions but physical pain from each others through their BB, while the BB between Vampire/Lover was not so strong and they feel each other more at an emotional level.I also think that even if the BB between Sookie and Eric begins to fade or could be broken, they still will feel each other at an unconcious level, the same way that some real people seems to “feel or sense” the danger, sadness or happiness of their very emotionally close loved ones.

      • April 24, 2010 at 3:24 am

        I agree with all that you said, but I also think there is something more that is related to her fae
        heritage. The telepathy is not part of that heritage as we have been told by GGF. Perhaps she is
        psychic. Don’t know if that could be considered a fae trait.

        • 60 Holby
          April 24, 2010 at 5:33 am

          Crud! I can’t remember which book it is in, but in one of them Sookie actually thinks (paraphrasing here) that she has always wondered if she isn’t a little bit psychic. If so, it is just undeveloped in the way that her telepathy was fairly uncontrolled until she started really trying to work with it. Good catch BG.

          • 61 Lkc
            April 24, 2010 at 6:41 am

            Holby you are right and I think it was in DUD, not sure though.

            • 62 Dunkinstiks
              April 24, 2010 at 1:02 pm

              Since CH has said Sookie would not get any other abilities I’m wondering if she has had this ability all along would that count. I’m skeptical on the psychic ability though, it would have been show more by now don’t you think, maybe she has a form of something else we have missed.

      • April 24, 2010 at 1:49 pm

        I agree with you for the most part. However, Sookie also heard Stan’s thoughts in LDID and she had no bond with him.

        • 64 Meili
          April 24, 2010 at 2:45 pm

          Sookie also read Henrik’s mind in ATD. I think it is pretty evident that being able to get an occasional glimpse of a vamp mind does not have anything to do with the bond. I think it is related to her telepathy skills, but it could be intensified by having ingested vampire blood? Or it could also be that her telepathy ability would develop over time due to her fae heritage.

          • 65 Holby
            April 26, 2010 at 2:50 pm

            Her ability to read vampires is connected with her taking vampire blood….It doesn’t have to be THAT vampire’s blood. She hears Eric in LDID after having Bill’s blood and the same with Stan. She hears Henrick after bonding with (and drinking a substantial amount of blood from) Eric.

  13. 66 lala
    April 24, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    From Dead to Worse:
    Sookie’s tone is cranky and petulant in this book.

    She does a lot of “I don’t want to ponder that thought for the moment” stuff in From Dead to Worse. I think this book starts the deep denial. On pg 151, she wonders why she remembers the phone number for Fangtasia and why it’s on her speed dial.

    Pg 153: “I wasn’t going to ask. Knowing would be worse than suspecting”. I think this is where she suspects Eric is behind Pam’s presence at her house, “dating” Amelia. The ruse reminds her of the one Bill used with her.

    And eric remembers where sookie keeps her shotgun – his memory is returning. – pg 165. He tells her he remembers everything, pg, 182.

  14. 67 KPMRSE
    April 24, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    “The worse” in many characters came out in this installment – Out for themselves, selfish and manipulative.
    .
    Bill – Not that he can get worse in my opinion, but it crystallized for me that his loyalties always to lie with whoever is ultimately power – QSA, now seemingly Victor. With not sharing information with Eric about the vamps at the wedding, he’s not clearly not loyal to Eric or area 5. He’s a loose cannon who will do anything to get Sookie again, which can only be bad for all.

    Sam- Shifter gets shiftier. I believe he called Eric to Merlottes under the pretense of helping Sookie in order to set him up to be assaulted by Seigbert in the parking lot because he too is out for whatever will best benefit Sam.

    Jason/Crystal – I lost a lot of respect for these two with the infidelity, the handsmashing, and its impact on Calvin and Sookie. Selfish, selfish, selfish.

    Naill – Given his enemies, he knows how dangerous his presence in Sookie’s life would be. Yet, he initiates a relationship with her. Why? Because he wants what’s best for her? Doubtful.

    Yet, Direct contrast all of this selfishness to Eric. Whereas nearly every other character seems to be only thinking about themselves, there are moments here where Eric shows he isn’t out for himself, but puts Sookie’s feelings about his own. He agrees to take Sookie to Naill, even though he admits that Naill would be the first person he’d kill in a war between the Fae and vamps. Why? Because unlike Bill, he respects her to make her own decision based on facts. He knows how important family is to her? Or does this foreshadow how important family is to Eric? After the Quinn/Victor episode, he tells Sookie on the way out – “Sorry about the Tiger”. He comes to Merlotte’s, away from entertaining the new King, when Sam calls him to find out what’s wrong with/cheer up Sookie.

    • 68 Meili
      April 24, 2010 at 3:02 pm

      I was thinking the same. I was just finishing up the book and it does seem like turning points for many of the other characters. Besides the people you mentioned above, Alcide was also irrationally and unjustifiably upset that Sookie was out with Eric.

      Also agreed, in contrast to them, the book as a whole seem to show Eric’s care for Sookie, and also showed another layer of his “humanity” when he had to consider about his area vamps, his child, and of course, Sookie, when he decided to surrender to the NV vamps. He took a bullet for her. He brought her to see Niall eventhough he clearly was not happy about it. He did all this even before fully recovering his memory.

      • 69 kelly1981
        April 24, 2010 at 3:59 pm

        does it look like a bunch of jealous people to anyone else?

        sam’s jealous because he wanted to be with sookie, then bill dumped her, she had a tiger, and now eric and he still isn’t getting anywhere. so maybe he tries to bump off the competition with a little help

        bill’s jealous cos even tho he had a hold of sookie, he lost her, and he has no idea how to get her back, other than resorting to his base personality and making others look worse than him.

        alcide is jealous because he thinks sookie should want to be with him, he is after all the leader of the pack, and they got very close during club dead. she also helped sort out his problems and fight with him during the were war, preventing them from obliteration. he seems like he has some kind of superiority complex.

        quinn is just weird, he might be jealous because sookie chose a vampire instead of him and his whiney family. if the situation was difficult for sookie to deal with originally, then meeting his mum kinda iced the cake.

        eric was pushing his luck going to sookie’s house for the takeover, but i think he was there to make sure she was safe, that bill didn’t just hand her over for protection, and so he knew he wouldn’t be staked and could continue to protect sookie. i think he’s going to have to be very patient to be sookie’s HEA, but it would be worth it… right?

        • 70 LLE
          April 24, 2010 at 6:20 pm

          I doubt Alcide is jealous of Sookie being with Eric. Alcide’s girlfriend was murder and he wished Sookie was killed instead of Marie. Eric protected Sookie from the were-wolves attacked and nobodies was their for Marie. Alcide really don’t care for Sookie.

          • 71 Meili
            April 24, 2010 at 8:15 pm

            I think Alcide was jealous, to some extent. In the book, he said…

            “So you—and Eric—had a leisurely dinner at an expensive restaurant, with another man.”

            I looked at him incredulously. This was so far off the point. I concentrated. I’d never poked a mental probe into such turmoil. Alcide was feeling grief for Maria-Star, guilt because he hadn’t protected her, anger that I’d been drawn into the conflict, and above all, eagerness to knock some skulls. As the cherry on top of all that, Alcide—irrationally—hated that I’d been out with Eric.

            • 72 LLE
              April 24, 2010 at 8:25 pm

              I took it as that Eric protected Sookie and Alcide was not there to protected Marie. I don’t think it was jealous at all more like he was grieving for his girlfriend. Sookie was right about Alcide. When the were-wolves were fight, Alcide was not checking to see Sookie was alright. The only person who care about Sookie in that were-wolves fight was Sam and he turn in a lion. Sookie and Sam was looking out for each other.

              • 73 Meili
                April 24, 2010 at 8:50 pm

                Oh, I do agree LLE. Alcide was definitely feeling guilt as well. Also Sookie saw in his mind that he loved Maria-Star much more than he ever cared about her. I don’t think the jealousy stems from him caring about Sookie.

    • 74 LLE
      April 24, 2010 at 6:27 pm

      Sam called Eric because he was worry about Sookie and they both found out what Sookie’s problems. Sookie had to break Calvin’s hand because of what Jason’s actions.

    • 75 Mia
      April 25, 2010 at 10:43 am

      Niall – I agree. I wasn’t sure of his motives. Was he using Sookie to draw out his enemies? Was there a guilt factor since he kept asking her if there was something he could do for her – like he wanted to even the scales. Even Claude and Claudine coming into the bar and telling Sookie she could call him seemed odd. I was wondering if that was instigated by Niall.

      Bill – the thing that bothered me the most about Bill in this story is how he treated Selah. Okay so Selah’s not a wonderful person because of her derogatory thoughts about Sookie, but it still doesn’t justify Bill’s using her. It reminds me of a comment which I’m paraphrasing from The Last Lecture: you shouldn’t judge a man on what he says, but what he does.

      • 76 kelly1981
        April 25, 2010 at 11:44 am

        for niall i really think he meant well.
        his enemies had killed sookie’s fairy grandfather, so they probably knew who sookie was already, since the grandfather was watching out for her.
        so niall contacts sookie as a kind of warning, just so she feels some hope if something were to happen.
        claude and claudine confuse me, such handy people to know. CH said in an interview she regrets killing claudine, which i agree with.
        It all a big confusing pile, i’m just hoping it all starts to make sense as CH rounds up the story. no ‘lost’ plotlines please….

        • 77 Meili
          April 25, 2010 at 12:33 pm

          I agree with you Kelly, I really don’t think Niall meant any harm. I think he just wanted to have a relationship with her since he was forbidden to in the past, and he knows that she has “the essential spark” which make him even more curious. It is just unfortunate that he was surrounded by so many enemies of his own, and their relationship could not be developed further.

          I was very upset that Claudine died. I still don’t understand the reason for killing her off, unless it is to allow Claude to develop into someone dark, someone who will try to harm Sookie, maybe he will work with Dermot?? That would be quite a character change in my opinion, he was never close to Sookie and he was rude to her for the most part, but he was that way with everyone else too. Claude was just…. Claude. Would killing Claudine, knowing she died trying to protect Sookie, somehow make Claude ally with Dermot and avenge his sister. Not just that, but because of her (her heritage), this fae war started and with Niall closing the portals, Claude will never be able to go back to the fae realm if he chooses to ive in the human world. I guess it would be a good reason then, no?

          • 78 kelly1981
            April 25, 2010 at 1:11 pm

            one charlaine harris interview i read she said when she gets writers block sometimes she gets more inspired if she kills someone. so maybe the fight scene drained her so she added claudette’s knitting needle to breandan’s side to enrage sookie.

            still hurt tho, claudine was lovely.

            • 79 MASpencer
              April 25, 2010 at 4:25 pm

              To be honest, something about DAG felt very stifled and forced to me– as if CH struggled to write it and made lots of random plot decisions because she wasn’t feeling inspired.

              I can’t really hold that against her as a writer. With the whirlwind of success surrounding True Blood, the bar was raised for her performance-wise and the demands on her were higher than ever before. I think she was feeling a lot of pressure and choked a little. It’s understandable.

              But that doesn’t change the fact that, to me, DAG was one of the weakest novels in the series. Something about it felt very off and out-of-character– and I offer that as an objective assessment, and not just because I feel that it failed to deliver on some of the promises FDTW made with respect to Eric and Sookie’s relationship. Although that’s true, too.

              • 80 kelly1981
                April 25, 2010 at 5:58 pm

                it felt a bit forced to me too. especially after i heard someone convinced her not to kill bill. maybe she just got stuck and couldn’t make it flow the same…
                how she’s found her groove thang now

              • April 25, 2010 at 10:06 pm

                Alot of people feel that way about DAG. It didn’t get great critical reviews, and she really copped an earful from readers about it as well. I do think in part it was the whole kill Bill thing – the book was building to that and then she did a complete about face and had to rewrite parts and it showed. The True Blood stuff was also an issue, exploding fame etc. I think, as you say she was under a lot of pressure from multiple fronts and she didn’t know how to balance all of that. She also seemed to really have trouble finding Sookie’s voice – even before the torture something was really off with Sookie 😦

                It really seems she’s got her head back on straight for DITF, from all accounts it’s one of the best books in the series.

  15. 82 S.
    April 24, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Hey y’all fellow SMV lovers!!
    I’m wondering what everyone’s opinion is on the subject of Sookie’s Fae blood and how it might affect her mortality… I know Aunt Linda is said to have died of cancer, but that just doesn’t bode well with me. After all, Sookie always belived that her parents had died in an accident, but she later finds out that that isn’t true. And Fintan, like Sookie’s parents, was also killed by the Fairies because of his human blood. Those two facts make suspicious of the manner of Aunt Linda’s death. We don’t really know much about the powers that the Fae possess. I’m inclined to think that the Fae might have caused the cancer… Or maybe it wasn’t even cancer at all… Fintan had much more Fairy blood than Sookie, but he lived to (I believe) 700 years old… And he was murdered…
    Anyways, I’d love to hear others’ thoughts as to the role of Sookie’s Fae blood might have on her mortality??

  16. 83 Meili
    April 24, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Hmmm… interesting but I don’t think the Fae caused Linda’s cancer. I see no reason in that, and I see no reason for covering up her cause of death if not cancer. I’ve always been suspicious of Sookie’s parents dying from being swept away in a flood. And it makes sense that it was Breandan’s doing (through Neave & Lochland), but I think Linda is not connected.

    As for her lifespan, in my fairy tale land, it has always been the reason that she will live a long life, that somehow the Fae blood in her will extend her life for a few centuries. It makes sense…. However, I believe CH mentioned that Sookie’s life will not be extended by magical means, doesn’t that include having Fae blood in her, aren’t the Fae “magical” beings? So, it seems highly unlikely that her lifespan will be extended at all, at least not because of her Fae heritage.

  17. 84 Dan
    April 25, 2010 at 12:37 am

    SVB, you could take a chapter at a time and your board would fill up for each one, especially with this book. So many things to speculate about. Of course I am listening again rather than reading text. I start to get irritated with Amelia in this book when she starts whining to Sookie about her dad’s visit and begging Sookie “Please be here” Sookie reluctantly agrees. Copley Carmichael!!!! Did he really visit his daughter just because his misses and loves her ? He did do a background check on Sookie before coming and he also sent Marley (the driver) to Merlot’s while he had dinner, with orders for Marley to snoop around. Does he do this just as a precaution regarding his daughter ?

    Then is the 2nd half, he is back in Bon Temps because Amelia again begged Sookie to make the introduction to the new regime (like the very next day after the takeover). Is the business of rebuilding vampire properties so critical to his bottom line ? He meets Sandy at Merlots and I imagine by the time he gets back to New Orleans he is making inroads with Victor.

    • 85 Dan
      April 25, 2010 at 12:39 am

      Oh. And its through Copley that Sookie first learns about Hunter.

      • 86 kelly1981
        April 25, 2010 at 11:49 am

        copley knows about hunter? i thought it was niall who found hunter…..

        • 87 Meili
          April 25, 2010 at 12:24 pm

          Yeah…Copley was the one who told her about Hunter.
          “I’d think you’d want to see the baby, though,” Copley said.

          There’s definitely something about Copley. He also said the Remy is “an interesting man”. Makes me wonder about that too. Aside from the fact that he is Hadley’s ex and father of a young telepath – Hunter, the book did not disclose of any other “interesting” facts of Remy.

          • 88 kelly1981
            April 25, 2010 at 1:16 pm

            oh i thought she found out about hunter from a birth certificate in hadleys bank vault thing. when she went to clear it out with mr cataliades. damn i love that lawyer, he rocks.
            so yeah i thought she found out about it there then asked niall for help finding him. guess i should re-read again.

  18. 89 Dina
    April 25, 2010 at 1:31 am

    I love the theory that QSA is alive, it fits so well with everything. She aligns with Victor ( he hides her somewhere as her legs are still growing; FDC refused to marry her, ” a criple”, but Victor has his own game. Bill serves SA and is in the know and is only too happy to get Eric out of the way to ” lay with Sookie” again ( LOL, I just don’t know how CH is going to redeem Bill, he is deeply creepy). Betraying Eric might not seem like a betrayal to Bill; he only showed up in Eric’s area because he was oredered to do so by SA. Bill had to call Eric about Sookie’s abduction because he could not get to her without Niall, and Eric was the one Niall trusted ( and Eric knew how to get in touch with Niall).

  19. 90 Mia
    April 25, 2010 at 11:08 am

    So for conspiracy theories, did anyone read anything into Sam’s statement of “I don’t know how we can pry you loose from them” (pg 271) with Sookie as the “you” and the vampires as the “them.” Who is the “we” that Sam means? Does he mean him and Sookie? Or someone else?

    Then Sam tells Sookie he wants to live in peace away from supe politics, and asks her if she wasn’t happier before becoming involved with the supernatural world. I was wondering if he is working on something to free Sookie from the supes.

    If you think about it, even if CH settled Sookie with Sam as a HEA, it wouldn’t free her from the vampire world. They could threaten Sam or any children of their union to get Sookie to work for them. Now that Niall has supposedly closed the portal, there won’t be any fairy backup to get the vampires to leave her alone either.

    Sam may be the “nice guy”, but he’s too paternalistic for my taste. That’s why I think he could be doing something behind Sookie’s back with the view that it would be for her own good.

  20. April 25, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Several more curiosities occurred to me on the reread. When Octavia first drops in to see Amelia, Sookie tries to read what she is thinking and Octavia is totally blocking her attempts. Sookie states she is the first human she’s met that can do that. How does Octavia know that she should be blocking attempts at reading her thoughts?
    They have never met and Amelia hasn’t contacted anyone in NO.

    When Sookie introduces Sam to GGF in that bleeping parking lot, Niall shakes hands with Sam, and Sam gets a shock as if Niall had some sort of buzzer in his hand. Why? May mean nothing or it may be an indication of something.

    • 92 kelly1981
      April 25, 2010 at 1:19 pm

      i think the way she reaches out with her mind to read someone specifically can be felt, like a sort of tickle. it has been noticed by people before i think.

      • April 25, 2010 at 2:11 pm

        The only one I can remember that felt a tickle was Hallow. I don’t think anyone else can detect it.Octavia was a witch and so was Hallow, that may explain it.

    • 94 Robin
      April 25, 2010 at 2:06 pm

      [When Sookie introduces Sam to GGF in that bleeping parking lot, Niall shakes hands with Sam, and Sam gets a shock as if Niall had some sort of buzzer in his hand. Why? May mean nothing or it may be an indication of something.]

      Bobsgran, my theory is that Sam is Fae, not a shapeshifter. If you read the short story Gift Wrap, Preston Pardloe was able to shapeshift into wolf form, so we know that there are Fae that can shapeshift. And Sookie always uses the word “halo” to describe Sam’s hair.

      [So for conspiracy theories, did anyone read anything into Sam’s statement of “I don’t know how we can pry you loose from them” (pg 271) with Sookie as the “you” and the vampires as the “them.” Who is the “we” that Sam means? Does he mean him and Sookie? Or someone else?]

      Mia, this statement further backs up my theory. If Sam is indeed Fae (my guess is he could possibly be another child of Fintan), maybe the “we” refers to the Fae (her Fae family) trying to help pry her loose from the Vampires. Consider the fact that Claudine, Claude and Niall have all been to Merlotte’s in the books. Sam owns Merlotte’s, and is Sookies best friend and employer.

      Does “we” mean her Fae family? Consider this passage from page 68 of ATD. Claudine words when trying to talk her out of going to the summit in Rhodes were “Going in the train of a vampire. It’ll mark you as one of their world, for good. You’ll never be an innocent bystander again. Too many creatures will know who you are and where you can be found.”

      I am not completely sold on the idea that Sam is Fae (and also family), especially when we learn of the trouble that occurred with his family after the reveal of the two-natured. Then, there is also the fact that he has to change at the full moon.

      • April 25, 2010 at 2:22 pm

        Robin, I just finished rereading Gift Wrap and I believe you are right on all counts. Sooo, if we go with that premiss, is Sam Fintan’s son, Preston’s brother or cousin? I can’t wait to find out.
        There have been so many references to Sam’s halo of hair.

        • April 25, 2010 at 2:52 pm

          Another thought. Sam has been in Bon Temp since well before the Great Reveal. Sookie has worked
          for him since he bought the bar. If he is part fae, could his coming to BT have more significance?

          • 97 Robin
            April 25, 2010 at 3:11 pm

            I look at Sam’s role as a protector, possibly a fairy godfather. Maybe he is working toward the goal of becoming an Angel, thus the halo effect? If his mother is two-natured, and he is either Fae or has Fae blood, where did the fairy blood come into his family? And, why else would Sam have randomly ended up in Bon Temps? And, he would definitely have to be able to mask the fairy scent being around all of the vampires. These are all things to consider.

          • 98 Ericrocks
            April 25, 2010 at 3:59 pm

            That is something to ponder. Could Sam have known all about Sookie’s lineage and been there all along to sort of watch after her? Maybe that’s why he finally put the moves on her AFTER she started to show an attraction towards Bill, in an effort to keep her away from ANY vamp. A little too little to late, of course.

            But it would explain a lot, such as how the hell he knows so much about all things supernatural. I still think that he was responsible for Eric & FDC ending up in HIS parking lot, to be attacked by Sigebert. Why else would he have not been immediately killed? Why was he just tied up by Sigebert? What set-on-revenge vamp would have taken the time to restrain a SHIFTER, instead of just killing him, unless he was instructed to not harm the shifter?

            That would mean that Sam had some tie to Victor, I’ve haven’t worked that out yet.It would also explain why Niall seemed to have no problem exposing himself.

            Good Grief! It is a puzzle in a box wrapped in a mystery.

            • April 25, 2010 at 4:12 pm

              If Sam has any ties to Victor, Sookie will never forgive him. I’m not disagreeing with what you say, just that she will be more than pissed.

            • 100 Robin
              April 25, 2010 at 4:22 pm

              Yep, unfortunately, I do not think we will get many answers in DITF. I get the feeling that DITF is going to focus more on the Were storyline. Maybe we will get more clues that will strengthen our theories regarding Sam, Victor, FDC, Sigebert, Sophie Anne and Bill. I haven’t ruled out Copley Carmichael’s involvement, either. We may learn more about Sam in the novella that will be coming out, and the novella is supposed to directly affect the future books.

      • 101 LLE
        April 25, 2010 at 3:15 pm

        What I find in her books are lot of grammar and spelling mistakes.

        • 102 Gigi
          April 25, 2010 at 5:22 pm

          The story is written in first person using Sookie as protagonist and narrator. Those grammar and spelling mistakes are intentional. Sookie is a country girl who could not take properly advantage of the instruction during school time because of the limitations caused by her telepathy. That is also the reason why she is always learning new words form the “Word of the Day Calendar”.

          • 103 kelly1981
            April 25, 2010 at 5:56 pm

            genius. love the word of the day calendar, the people who do fanfic don’t quite get the right words, but charlaine never disappoints.
            sookie is smart, not book-smart even tho she reads alot. she knows what she means, and she’s often the only one listening.

            • 104 Gigi
              April 25, 2010 at 6:19 pm

              Yep, Sookie is self-taught, intelligent and very wise. She just lacks of emotional inteligence and it’s caused by all of her traumas, but we all HOPE she’ll improve it because she has an iron will and she’s a survivor. 😉

              • 105 Ericrocks
                April 25, 2010 at 7:41 pm

                Ha Ha. That iron will is dangerous for the fae. **Snicker**

                • 106 kelly1981
                  April 25, 2010 at 7:48 pm

                  teeheehee
                  yeah it is a shame that sookie has beenso affected by the way people treat her and what she hears. this must have affected her self esteem greatly. which is why she denies herself he things that would make her happy…. unknowingly.

      • 107 MASpencer
        April 25, 2010 at 4:11 pm

        These are all REALLY interesting points, Robin, and you could very well be on to something. But the theory also begs a couple of questions. For example, if part of Niall’s intent was to extricate Sookie from the vampire community, why would he go through Eric to meet her, instead of Claude or Claudine? And also, why would he tell her that “The vampire is a good man and he loves you,” if he ultimately wanted to draw her AWAY from them?

        As for Sam being a fairy, I LOVE the idea, and I think there’s a lot of support for it. Still, that would suggest that CH had this twist in mind all along– and I’m skeptical as to whether or not she has planned the series that precisely. (She seems to fly by the seat of her pants with these things… occasionally to the series’ detriment. It almost makes me hesitant to read too far into certain “coincidental” patterns in the books.)

        That said, with so many blanks in Sam’s history, there’s no reason why she couldn’t have decided to go in that direction, even fairly recently. Everyone here has definitely gotten me thinking about that…

        • 108 Robin
          April 25, 2010 at 4:53 pm

          MASpencer, I agree that you make a great point regarding a hole in that theory. Do we have any examples of Niall trying to dissuade Sookie from being involved in vamp affairs? Maybe the “we” in Sam’s statement “I don’t know how we can pry you loose from them” really does just mean Sam and Sookie. There seems to be a level of trust between Eric and Niall. Not only does Niall know that Eric and Sookie have a blood bond, but they obviously have strong feelings for each other. Her feelings for Eric were probably confirmed when Niall offered to kill Eric. Who knows?!

          • 109 Meili
            April 25, 2010 at 6:03 pm

            I never really felt that Niall wanted extricate Sookie from the vamp community. I agree with Robin that there seems to be a level of trust between Eric and Niall. I know Sookie wished she has asked Niall which vampire he was referring to when he said that the vampire is a good man and that he loves her, it seems pretty obvious to me that he was referring to Eric. I know BLs would like to think it was him, but there really wasn’t any relationship between Niall and Bill, except for when they rescued her in DAG.

            Also still having a hard time on the Sam is fae theory. I think I need a little more evidence of that. It is a very interesting theory though, but one that would definitely throw me off. If Sam has any ties to VM, it would be another big betrayal to Sookie, just like Bill’s earlier ones. I don’t think she would stand for that, and the deceit would totally put her off.

  21. 110 Meili
    April 25, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I remember a during the Were war, when Sookie was holding both Patrick’s and Alcide’s hands and was bombarded by their thoughts, she said she felt Sam behind her, his warmth and “the touch of his mind”. What did she mean by “felt the touch of his mind”? Almost seem like he was in her head reading her, or even like an emotion / feeling similar to a blood bond and how she can “feel” around Eric. If so, how is Sam able to do this? It may be nothing… I could be reading into it too much.

    • April 25, 2010 at 3:39 pm

      Meili: I don’t think you are reading too much into it. The question remains, what is Sam other than a shapeshifter?

      • April 25, 2010 at 3:43 pm

        I’m starting to feel dizzy. We’re going round and round the same Mulberry bush. A previous poster was on the mark, we don’t have enough information. Or maybe too much….there I go again. lol.

  22. 113 sunnynala
    April 25, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Hey chickie, where is our Sunday Skars? I’m dying over here…

  23. 118 Ericrocks
    April 25, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Here are some of him with ROBERT DENIRO at Tribeca. His hair is starting to look better.
    *****Whew*****

    http://skarsgardnews.com/?p=6223

  24. 121 Imagine
    April 25, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Ok so this may be the stupidest theory ever, but it is interesting so I’ll put it up anyway. So, bear with me, what if Eric is Sookie’s GGGGGGG grandfather. It would explain why Eric is in Louisiana, it would explain why Nial went through him to talk to Sookie for the first time or why he had something really important to say but never did in the car before meeting Nial, and CH constantly reminds us throughout the books on how similar their hair and eye colors are, curiously so. If they were related it would not be that creepy since there is a lot of generations in between them. Against that however, I don’t think hair and eye color could withstand 10+ generations of genetic variance. Anyway I though I would throw that out there even though it sounds crazy to me too.

    • 122 kelly1981
      April 25, 2010 at 6:44 pm

      that is a tiny bit mad, but not difficult to go with. after all when then vikings invaded england they didn’t just rape and pillage, they would take british women and marry them. thus joining with our society. alot of them ended up settling in england. then there was a whole bunch of us british up and sailed to the states when it was starting up….

      so kinda sorta pushing it but possible….

      • 123 kelly1981
        April 25, 2010 at 6:53 pm

        maybe she reminds him of his wife or something

      • 124 Meili
        April 25, 2010 at 6:57 pm

        Hmmm… I dont think they are related. It is very disturbing to me (LOL!), and I think would tick off too many readers. When Eric and Sookie were in the car driving, I think Eric was holding back a conversation about them, about why Sookie risked her life to save him and Pam. At this time, Eric was still dealing with his own emotions, and much as he would love to brush it off, he is unable to. The book reads…

        Eric shot me a sharp glance. “The queen is distraught,” he said. “And her healing will take months more. What I was beginning to say…” His voice trailed off.

        This wasn’t like Eric. “What?” I demanded.

        “You saved my life,” he said. I’d turned to look at him, but he was looking straight ahead at the road. “You saved my life, and Pam’s, too.”

        I shifted uncomfortably. “Yeah, well.” Miss Articulate. The silence lengthened until I felt I had to say something else. “We do have the blood tie thing going.”

        Eric didn’t respond for a stretch of time. “That’s not why you came to wake me, first of all, the day the hotel blew up,” he said. “But we won’t talk further about this now. You have a big evening ahead.”

        • 125 kelly1981
          April 25, 2010 at 7:11 pm

          do you think he’s in awe of her at all? or just overwhelmingly grateful she helped him. whereas she just stumbled upon bill in the rubble.

          • 126 Robin
            April 25, 2010 at 7:49 pm

            I think that Eric is overwhelmed by emotion that she would risk her own life to save the lives of him and Pam. She put them first above her own safety.

            • 127 Meili
              April 25, 2010 at 7:57 pm

              Yes, I think he is overwhelmed and does not understand this. At this point, he has not gotten his memories back yet and is still trying to come to terms with his feelings for her. He probably also realizes that she has very strong feelinsg for him, and knows that she has also not come to terms with that when she tries to blame it on the BB.

              • 128 kelly1981
                April 25, 2010 at 7:59 pm

                personally i am looking forward to the blood bond being removed so she can see it has sod all to do with anything except her saftey

                • 129 Meili
                  April 25, 2010 at 8:03 pm

                  Me too! I am so tired of blaming every emotion she has for Eric on the BB. I believe CH has already mentioned the BB will be broken (although not in DITF). I think once this is done, Sookie will finally feel that everything she is feeling for Eric is hers alone and real. Until then, it will always be there to haunt her.

                  • 130 Robin
                    April 25, 2010 at 8:31 pm

                    I agree it would be good for Sookie to experience her feelings without the influence of the BB, but I also worry about Sookie’s safety without them having that emotional connection. And, I also wonder if the both of them will miss having that emotional connection with each other.

                    • 131 Meili
                      April 25, 2010 at 8:53 pm

                      I think even with the BB broken, there is the blood tie to fall back on. Eric will still be able to locate her in case of any danger. Sookie and Eric have always had a thing for each other, way before the bond. I doubt breaking the bond would change their connection or love for each other. It would only put an end to this constant blaming of the bond. Like Amelia said post DAG, “It’s just a big fat excuse!” I am sure Eric will resent this at the beginning, but I think the rewards of it being gone would be much greater. Plus, if Sookie decides to renew the bond in her own terms, that would be a true fairy tale. Not sure if that will play out, but either way, I think breaking the BB would do them a world of good (at least for a time).

        • 132 Imagine
          April 25, 2010 at 10:48 pm

          yea I thought it was kinda stupid too, lol. One year between books is way too long to let my mind wander to the point of being ridiculous. I am very curios as to what in DITF will change Sookie’s mind about our Viking forever, as one of the reviews said, I’m getting nervous. I can’t wait until the 4th!

    • 133 Robin
      April 25, 2010 at 7:52 pm

      No, I really do not feel like they are distantly related. It seems to me that CH has been asked if Eric has fae heritage, and she said no.

    • 134 Lkc
      April 25, 2010 at 10:26 pm

      CH has answered before that Sookie and Eric are not related!

  25. 135 Ericrocks
    April 25, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Plus, that would just be down right creepy, and Eric NOT creepy. That is Bill’s job.

    • 136 kelly1981
      April 25, 2010 at 9:26 pm

      that whole damn town seems a bit inbred to be honest. anyone know what sookie’s mothers maiden name was? not laudermilk i hope….

  26. 137 E
    April 25, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    a completely unrelated question to the topic post…

    in scene where DAG Sookie tells Eric not to change her into a vamp and Eric responds that he won’t even if he would very much like to keep her…

    what is the norm between vamp to vamp relationships as mates?

    I was re-reading Club Dead where Eric tells Sookie that most vamp to vamp relations are usually one night stands and that it was frowned on to have a real relationship (commenting on Bill and Lorena’s former relation), or at least no one really did it…

    but then Russell Edgington does marry Bartlette Crowe as a love match…

    So I think my question would be, IF Sookie did become a vampire would it be ok for her to be in a relationship w/ Eric? Or if Eric turned her, it wouldn’t matter that they would have a maker/child and lover/lover relationship? Or would it?

    I’m new to the SVM world so thanks for the patience!

    While this is all prolly moot since CH said she won’t turn Sookie to a vamp, I was curious 🙂

  27. 138 kelly1981
    April 25, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    yeah, after all pam was with eric for a long time after she was made. i’m sure a fair bit of it was intimate. and he never made her stay, so she was willing.
    i think what eric says ‘even if i would like to keep you’ probably refers to a life or death situation. she’s saying if she’s lost a lot of blood and his only choice was to turn her to save her or to let her die, she wants to die.

  28. April 26, 2010 at 7:45 am

    I’m just finishing off my reread today. A few things I wanted flag, all of which have already been raised but just expanding a little:

    Sophie Anne’s obituary is completely suspect.

    CH has left herself multiple “outs” in that passage to bring her back from the dead.

    Sookie: “I’ve never seen an obituary for a vampire. This one was a complete fabrication” – she goes on to talk about the Sino-Aids being the fabricated part. Nice little hint though that the whole thing is fabricated.

    Sookie again: “To get in today’s paper, someone must have called it in directly after she’d been killed, perhaps even before she was dead. Ugh”.
    Before she was dead, allright.

    If it turns out SA is indeed still alive, this passage is going to read in a whole new way.

    Sam:

    Obviously he does about a million suspicious things in this book – I just want to mention another one.

    How the fuck does he know about the takeover by the time Sookie arrives for work THE NEXT MORNING? After admitting that, Sam goes to say: “The two natured and vamps don’t mix well. I’m sorry you got pulled into that, Sookie. That asshole, Eric”.

    While it’s probably fair for Sam to assume Eric was involved, quite presumptuous of him to assume Eric was at fault for anything without knowing the full story, isn’t it? Unless of course he did know Eric was at her house, and the NV vamps came there – ie Sam knew enough about what went down to feel he was entitled to have an opinion about who was at fault.

    So within hours of the takeover, Sam not only knows about it, he knows (presumably) how it went down, he knows who the new monarch is, AND he knows all about his business interests. While being careful to point out that he has never actually met him.

    Interesting too, that when Sookie asks Sam what he knows about the king of Nevada, Sam answers “promptly”. Make of that what you will.

    Sam obviously has an inside source. Who is it?!?! This is driving me crazy.

    • 140 Mia
      April 26, 2010 at 9:26 am

      [How the fuck does he know about the takeover by the time Sookie arrives for work THE NEXT MORNING? After admitting that, Sam goes to say: “The two natured and vamps don’t mix well. I’m sorry you got pulled into that, Sookie. That asshole, Eric”.]

      Do you think it could be Eric keeping Sam informed? It would make sense if Eric has Sam keeping an eye on Sookie to fulfil Sam’s obligation from the fifth book. Sam would need to be in the loop on things to be of any use.

      Also Sam’s comment above comes after Sookie’s statement of “I told him what had happened at my house” so Sookie has filled Sam in on the details. We know Sam knows something but we never know how much and then Sookie supplies her version. The other odd thing is that Sookie doesn’t question how Sam knows about the takeover so does SHE already know who Sam’s source is? Otherwise it’s a remarkable lack of curiosity on Sookie’s part.

      • April 26, 2010 at 9:54 am

        You’re right about the Eric comment, Mia. I need to slow down when I read lol.

        Which still brings us back to the question of how Sam knew about the takeover so soon. OK Sookie mentions she doesn’t go into work until lunch time the following day – so presumably Sam has had all morning (and the previous night) for someone to fill him in.

        I’ve long suspected there is some arrangement between Eric and Sam concerning Sookie, so it’s certainly possible that he found out from him. Eric was busily making phone calls after the shit hit the fan. I don’t like this idea at all but Sam is getting information from somewhere. You gotta wonder.

    • 142 Meili
      April 26, 2010 at 10:49 am

      Another support that QSA is still alive
      Right after the takeover when Eric was in Sookie’s bedroom (after he recovered his memory), he was talking about VM. He said “… Victor is not one you can take lightly. Victor is ruthless but he won’t destroy something he may be able to use.”

      And QSA and Sigebert are definitely someone he could use for his own personal agenda. And for that matter, so is Bill (since he so openly declared his “unconditional dying love” for Sookie!)

  29. 143 Gigi
    April 26, 2010 at 8:32 am

    [How the fuck does he know about the takeover by the time Sookie arrives for work THE NEXT MORNING? After admitting that, Sam goes to say: “The two natured and vamps don’t mix well. I’m sorry you got pulled into that, Sookie. That asshole, Eric”.]

    If you analyze well the words that Sam said to Sookie, you can notice they can also be interpreted as if he were actually giving an apology to her because he didn’t expect that Eric were going to her house in the middle of the takeover.

  30. April 26, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Something else that caught my attention in light of the whole “who’s the rat” question.

    When Sookie decides to call Niall during the takeover, she manages to get the whole phone number entered into the phone – she notes the call had started to go through – when Eric breaks the phone against the wall.

    We never hear any more about that phone, except that it was replaced. Seems it could yield some interesting information to Victor, who if he had any brains would try to check who she was attempting to call. He would learn 1. That Sookie has a direct line to a fairy prince and 2. Cell phone number of said fairy prince.

    The vampires at the Bellefleur wedding all saw Niall hanging around there, and they knew who he was. Wouldn’t take much detective work to connect Niall’s presence at the wedding – which they surely must have been wondering about – and the contents of Sookie’s cellphone.

    Just seems to me that would be something CH could expand on.

    • 145 Robin
      April 26, 2010 at 11:58 am

      I like this SVB, are you thinking that Victor took the remnants of her cell phone? This would have to have occurred when Eric regained his memories, and they are in her bedroom. I do not specifically remember at which point Victor and the Nevada vamps left her house. But, you would also think that they would notice if her cell phone was missing.

      • 146 Lkc
        April 26, 2010 at 12:37 pm

        SVM very interesting. This would also help to counter the argument on CH’s site that Eric was too aggressive, highhanded, blah, blah blah, when he smashed the phone. The only people who could have taken the phone would be Victor, Bill( but I think he went outside after talking to Sookie) or Amelia. I forget did Amelia know about GGF before that night?

  31. 147 Mia
    April 26, 2010 at 10:00 am

    A couple other odd things in this book:

    What were Sam and Tanya doing in Sam’s office the morning after the takeover? Sookie arrives early so she can speak to Sam otherwise she would have missed Tanya’s presence. I guess it’s possible that they could be resuming their physical relationship, but it appears they are talking although Sam’s hair is messier than usual. So is Tanya the source of the takeover information? She could have been spying on Sookie’s house the prior evening and let Sam know out of shifter loyalty. Or has Sam arranged a meeting when he knows Sookie wouldn’t be there?

    Also why is Quinn’s mother wandering around with just Frannie as a guard? Frannie has no super powers although she may be a little stronger than average. The mother is unstable, can turn into a tiger, and has killed several people in her earlier escape, and yet she’s out front of Sookie’s house? Whose idea was that? Frannie? Was she hoping her mother would kill Sookie? Why would the mother be in Bon Temps at all? Why would anyone think Frannie could control her? I guess I never understood that particular encounter with Sookie.

    • 148 Meili
      April 26, 2010 at 10:42 am

      I don’t think Quinn’s mom is outside of Sookie’s house. I didn’t read anywhere that she was with Frannie or anywhere in Bon Temps. I think the NV vamps have her and are holding her, but she’s not in LA. I assumed she is still in NV, back in the facility and FDC and his people are making sure she stays there.

      • 149 Ericrocks
        April 26, 2010 at 12:40 pm

        Yep, Frannie had her mother in tow when she went to Sookie’s house to give her a hard time about breaking up with Quinn. Remember, Sook thinking that Frannie must have dressed her mother because she was wearing basically the same thing. Poor Quinn! All that baggage.

      • 150 Gigi
        April 26, 2010 at 12:44 pm

        Yep, they went to Sookie’s house after Sookie broke up with Quinn. But they didn’t enter the house, they remained outside.

  32. 151 Dunkinstiks
    April 26, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I remember Quinn mom being at Sookie house and very angry at Sookie for dumping him. That was also when Quinns mom “declared” her son loved Sookie.

  33. 152 Meili
    April 26, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Oh…OK. I was so focused on the takeover, I thought it was during the night of the takeover. OK, understood now. Sorry.


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