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Dead and Gone – Reread

With all the excitement of the last 24 hours I haven’t had a chance to get the post up for our Dead and Gone reread!

We only have about a week left until the release of Dead in the Family. So if you’ve been promising yourself that you’ll read DAG again before then, this is your last chance. Get on it!

Our From Dead to Worse discussion convinced most of us that a rat in the house is all but a sure thing – and we came up with a few suspects who we will continue to scrutinise throughout this book.

Some other plot points and characters I’m watching closely:

*Niall – benign, though slightly troublesome GGF or a man with a plan?

*Sam – the hints and red flags dropped relating to Sam in the last book just can’t be dismissed. Is he a shapeshifting fae (like Preston in Gift Wrap)? Is he the rat? Is he yet another Sookie protector with more power than she knows about? What’s his place in the supe word? Why the hell did Sandy Sechrest ask to speak to him specifically when she was meeting Copley Carmicheal, and then give him a personal briefing on who she was in the new regime as if he was actually a somebody? Since when does he warrant that sort of special treatment? Seriously, WTF is going on with Sam? THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY.

*Bill – in particular, his movements just before and during the time Sookie was taken by the fae.

*From Chapter one of DITF, we learn that Eric believes that Felipe did not tell Victor Madden about the protection order for Sookie, and that Victor did not tell Felipe about Sookie and Eric’s marriage. Is Eric’s assumption that the left and the right hand of the new regime are acting independently correct? And if it is, what are the implications for Sookie – and for Eric politically?

*Some of us have theorised that Sophie Anne may in fact still be among the undead – is there any evidence for this?

The aim is to have this reread complete by 2 May – giving us a couple of days to wrap up before we sink our fangs into the new book.

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148 Responses to “Dead and Gone – Reread”


  1. 1 Meili
    April 28, 2010 at 2:42 am

    I just started this tonight! Working on a couple of other projects this week, but I hope to get it done before my DITF copy arrives sometime around 5/5!

  2. 2 Ericrocks
    April 28, 2010 at 2:45 am

    SAM!

    When Sookie is in the field hospital, she asks Dr Ludwig if Sam knows what happened. Dr. Ludwig replies something to effect of “Yes, probably, he seems to know everything else”.

    Something is up with that shifter!

    • April 28, 2010 at 2:47 am

      I really need to do a post just listing all this stuff off. It’s written so magnanimously that too many of us are just gliding right on past it. But when you start tallying it up, she is REALLY wanting us to start taking notice of Sam.

      • 4 Meili
        April 28, 2010 at 2:57 am

        OK… I am still a skeptic in respect to Sam. I have noticed things, but I have always been trying to take his questionable actions in stride, to give him the benefit of doubt and try to stick with him just being a really, REALLY good friend.

        But I’ll have to admit, see so many people’s point of view on Sam, I am somewhat swayed. A tally might be a great way to break it down, and maybe I can finally see it clearer?? I think I’m mostly in denial.

        • April 28, 2010 at 3:27 am

          I think alot of people are in denial about it. One of the reasons I think people aren’t picking up on it is because it’s often not what Sam does or says himself (although there certainly are occasions where he raises suspicion himself) but what the other characters are saying about him. Some (Ludwig, Sandy) know who he is without ever having interacted with him on the page. And even further, they seem to attribute to him some importance that we aren’t privy to. Others say things to him, or about him (Niall, Eric, Bill etc) right in front of Sookie – who can be notoriously dense when it comes to working people close to her out. And when Sookie lets something slide, readers assume it’s either not important or they just miss it altogether.

          Sam is probably the character I will be watching most closely in this next book. She is plotting something with him, she definitely hasn’t given us all the clues to work it out yet though.

          • 6 chaterestre
            April 28, 2010 at 4:41 am

            long-time blog stalker; first-time poster.
            SVB – I agree 100% with your “something’s up with Sam” theory. what caught my attention is that when Victor & Co. were at Sookie’s in FDTW (right before Quinn breaks down the door), she wishes she could call & talk to Sam. she’s got Eric, Bill & Quinn all there and she wants to say goodbye to SAM. and only Sam. he’s always there just under the surface so you don’t notice him, but I have a feeling something big is going to happen with Sam in the end. (don’t get me wrong, I want Eric to be Sookie’s HEA, but I still have the feeling that CH is setting us up).

            • 7 Robin
              April 28, 2010 at 5:13 pm

              You know, Sookie also devoted some time in her thoughts for Sam during her torture with Lochlan and Neave.

          • 8 Gigi
            April 28, 2010 at 5:21 am

            Definitely he’s on the spot. Did you hear or read any comment about the half- elf who will be in the next book? I’m asking because light elves can have some kind of glow at their faces and they like to be near water, especially rivers and ponds…
            which also reminds me about his famous “halo” and Merlott’s location…

          • 9 Suzanna
            April 28, 2010 at 1:37 pm

            I always felt like there was more to Sam than meets the eye. It seemed to me that he was an autonomous person who acts as a sort of “middle man.” With his connection to Sookie, there are those who’d want him to keep an eye on her and he’d probably use his position to keep informed. He may also be providing information to others. I think just about every prominent male character wants him close to Sookie: Calvin Norris, Alcide Herveaux, Eric, and God knows who else. (I’d like to point out that Eric has never felt threatened by Sam, though Bill sure was.)

            And it sort of goes with him being the bar owner. Bartenders tend to know everything that’s going on and, in cop dramas, they are one of the sources of information.

            There’s also a spy factor. Sam can become whatever animal he wants. He says his preferred shape is a collie but we know he’s used other shapes before: the lion in the Were war and he said once that he “hates flying” because it feels like he’s going to fall out of the sky. It wouldn’t surprise me if Sam has been using his ability to spy on Sookie and others.

  3. 10 nerd
    April 28, 2010 at 3:01 am

    I’ll start tonight! finally, a discussion i can actively join, hehe. although I’m kind of bummed, Amazon is reporting the arrival of my DITF 5/7-5/11 … hoooow am i to wait that long?

    • 11 KittyKat
      April 28, 2010 at 7:35 am

      Amazon UK or US? I’m wondering where to order from, but may make no difference if all mail somehow passes through London, they may stilll be backlogged from the volcanic ashes.

      • 12 nerd
        April 28, 2010 at 3:23 pm

        Amazon US.

        i was hoping the book would arrive on my birthday (week from today) so i could spend the day reading, but eh wishful thinking.

        • 13 holby
          April 29, 2010 at 2:29 pm

          If you are willing to go audiobook, audible.com will have it available right away on the 4th.(they have Chapter one up now, but I will wait for the whole thing.) It might be an electronic alternative for all the folks outside the continents who may have to wait for arrival.

          • 14 MAP
            April 29, 2010 at 10:06 pm

            At present the audiobook is only available to US citizens…”World Publishing Rights” haven’t been purchased by the author yet.

    • 15 KPMRSE
      April 28, 2010 at 12:05 pm

      I pre-ordered another book from Amazon (US) released yesterday with the predicted arrival date of Friday-Tuesday. To my surprise – it was shipped on Monday, and arrived yesterday! I can only hope for the same with DITF.

  4. 16 Ericrocks
    April 28, 2010 at 3:05 am

    No, I will be at he bookstore the second it opens, either Midnight Monday or First Thing Tuesday, I need to call and find out.

    YAY!

  5. 17 Ericrocks
    April 28, 2010 at 3:08 am

    Okay, OT, but 3 raccoons just came in the cat door which is right by my computer. Scared the piss out of me. Geeze! Springtime!

    Back to book talk.

  6. 18 Serena
    April 28, 2010 at 4:20 am

    Finally! Yay, I’ve been stewing over this the past few days, so here goes: On the QSA front I haven’t found much in the way of evidence. Sophie-Anne is mentioned by the FBI agents, which is curious. She is then brought up again in conversation between Eric and Sookie post sex while they are discussing the death of Andre,… which is even more curious for the implications it suggests. What would happen when QSA finds out that Quinn killed Andre? Does she pry the information from Sookie? Or does she just assume Sookie had a hand in it and make an attempt at Sookie’s life? In the conversation with Eric, Sookie notes that Eric could sense her tension when the subject was brought up, so he might have been able to guess she knows something more about it, and he tacitly gives his approval (or his non-disapproval) when he says “I don’t miss Andre.” So, knowing how Eric would want to protect Sookie, would Eric make a temporary alliance with Quinn versus QSA? And how would this affect the whole FDC/VM thing? And if QSA is alive, is Victor going out of his way to hide her from his loyal vamps? If she isn’t well hidden, what are the odds that Quinn finds out she is alive first? Does he run to Eric/Sookie seeking help? Do we see a return of the Pythoness and vampiric justice? lol.

    About the death of Andre, its the closest thing to cold blooded murder that has been committed by any main character in the Sookieverse not named Bill, which makes me wonder why there have not been repercussions for it as of yet.

    • 19 Robin
      April 28, 2010 at 4:57 am

      Serena, you are thinking about two books ahead of me right now! I have been suspicious for a while now that Sophie Anne may still be alive and working behind the scenes with Victor Madden to bring down FDC, but I had not put much thought into the fact that Andre’s murder might come back to haunt Quinn, and possibly Sookie. And, since we know that Quinn will be in future books, I would not be a bit surprised if this is what happens. I also feel like Bill will be implicated as our rat in a future book, too. My guess is that Eric will once again ask Sookie what she knows about Andre’s death in DITF or a future book, especially if it is revealed that Sophie Anne is still alive. Eric will know she is telling him the truth because of the blood bond, and she will have to trust him to protect her from the Queen. Andre’s murder reminds me of Debbie Pelt’s death, it will come back to haunt Sookie in some manner even if she did not kill him.

      • April 28, 2010 at 5:13 am

        I think Eric already knows that Sookie was involved in Andre’s death and I doubt he will ask her outright again. It will be just like Debbie Pelt – Sookie thinks it would be a big deal if Eric finds out…and when he actually does find out/does already know – he chooses to make nothing of it for her sake.

        Ugh, the way she went on and on about Eric never finding out about Debbie lest he hold it over her head for life…and then he does find out. Not only does he never hold it over her – not ONCE – but he even agrees to her fessing up to Debbie’s parents about the murder. Even though it implicates him too, as the one who hid her body.

        This is a textbook example of Sookie being an unreliable narrator because these books are all written from her viewpoint. And sometimes, as with everyone, her viewpoint is wrong.

        • 21 Meili
          April 28, 2010 at 10:22 am

          I believe Eric suspected from prior conversation in FDTW. It’s not the first time he mentioned Andre. In FDTW, he says
          “… It would have been clearer if Andre had survived.” I felt a twinge of panic and guilt. I could have saved Andre. I’d feared and loathed him, and I hadn’t. I’d let him be killed.
          Eric was silent for a minute, and I wondered if he was picking up on the fear and guilt. It would be very bad if he ever learned that Quinn had killed Andre for my sake.

          I knew this was gonna come back to haunt her. Then he mentions Andre again in DAG, and at that point, I think his suspicion was confirmed. I agree with you SVB, I doubt Eric will pursue further actions. However, someone else could use this information against Quinn / Sookie / Eric.

        • 23 Robin
          April 28, 2010 at 11:38 am

          Yeah, SVB, but do you think Eric assumes she was actually the person that killed Andre? I would almost think he would have to after asking her in DAG, which if so, he has assumed wrong. You may be correct, he may never ask her about it again, but if Sophie Anne is still alive, Andre’s murder will become a focus in the future of the SVM. Sookie will have to explain to Eric what happened. If it all shakes out like this, it will be interesting to see how she feels about implicating Quinn.

          • 24 Robin
            April 28, 2010 at 11:45 am

            The only way someone could use this information against Quinn, Sookie and Eric is if one of them talks, and I do not see that happening UNLESS Quinn implicates Sookie. That could make for an interesting turn of events, as opposed to Eric forming a temporary alliance with Quinn that Serena suggested above. I can actually see Quinn implicating Sookie if his family is threatened, and that would eliminate him as one of the suitors.

            • 25 Meili
              April 28, 2010 at 11:52 am

              I think it could go either way… but I like yours better Robin! LOL!! I’d much rather see the tiger get eliminated. Either way, I believe this will come out in the future, and would somehow be used against them.

            • April 29, 2010 at 1:45 am

              I agree Robin. And Quinn already has a history of being a turncoat and he will drop Sookie in it if he has to (takeover anyone).

              This would provide the perfect set up for the way I would like to see Quinn eliminated – permanently, by Eric. I want these two have a smackdown sooo badly LOL.

          • 27 Pat
            April 28, 2010 at 11:56 am

            I think Eric knows she was involved in it, regardless of how active a role she had. When he says ” I don’t miss Andre” I think that is his way of telling her he knows and he’s not going to do anything about it.

            If anything I think he would actually try to cover it up to protect Sookie. As SVB very well says, everytime Eric had any information that could spell trouble for Sookie, he as always chosen to protect Sookie instead of doing anything with it.

            The only way this can come back and become a problem is if anyone finds out about it and wants to use it against Quinn. But who would find out and how? The only 3 people who know about it (Eric, Sookie and Quinn) are surely going to keep it quiet and now there is no one left that has any loyalties to Sophie Anne (see information in other threads about CH confirming that she is indead dead!) and could care how Andre died.

            I would be surprised if this comes up again.

            Unless Quinn goes a bit crazy and decides to use it to blackmail Sookie?? 😉

            • 28 Pat
              April 28, 2010 at 11:58 am

              Ok, I wrote this before I saw Robin post, above, Robin you have read my mind!

              • 29 Robin
                April 28, 2010 at 1:09 pm

                Yep, I can totally see Quinn using this against Sookie, especially if he is jealous or angry at her or Eric. And, I was thinking about this on the way to work. CH said that Sophie Anne is dead, but is it possible CH would say that in order to keep readers from figuring out her plot? I am not totally convinced that SA is dead, just because CH has said this in the past. Let’s just say this, I won’t be surprised if Sophie Anne turns up alive later in the SVM.

                • 30 Meili
                  April 28, 2010 at 1:15 pm

                  [CH said that Sophie Anne is dead, but is it possible CH would say that in order to keep readers from figuring out her plot?]

                  I was just thinking this too Robin! While I was cleaning the house, I was trying to think if there were other times that CH explicitly said something about a plot, then to have reveal otherwise in one of the books.

                  I am churning these theories over and over in my head. I can’t figure out Sigebert. Was he somehow deceived by Victor? Could the queen be dead, and Victor somehow concocted a story that would show Eric is a traitor (besides the surrender) and should be eliminated?? What part does FDC have in this? I mean it seems quite obvious when reviewing the conversation during the attack at Merlotte’s parking lot in FDTW.

                  • 31 Robin
                    April 28, 2010 at 1:45 pm

                    You know, Meili, it seems like our theories are pretty complicated when you read over them. And, at the same time, it felt like CH kept the reason for Eric not being able to rescue Sookie very simple. But, I have a feeling CH has something much more complicated regarding Victor Madden restraining Eric during Sookie’s torture. In other words, I think it goes much deeper than keeping vampires out of the Fae war and getting the upper hand on Eric.

                    • 32 Meili
                      April 28, 2010 at 1:59 pm

                      Agreed. Which is also why this whole story that Eric is telling her seems hard to swallow. Even Sookie herself was doubting it at the beginning, not that Eric was lying about what happened, but the whole reasoning behind it. I can’t wait for DITF, I need more info about VM and FDC. Possibly even QSA.

                • 33 Pat
                  April 28, 2010 at 1:38 pm

                  Was there ever a case when CH said something that in later books was proven to be false?

                  • 34 Robin
                    April 28, 2010 at 2:11 pm

                    I am not sure, I am fairly new to the SVM, it has really only about three months since I first started reading the SVM books. I am almost done reading all of the books through my second time. We need someone who has been following CH for years to tell us this. SVB?

                  • 35 j9
                    April 28, 2010 at 3:19 pm

                    CH has said before that she’s “not one to go back on something [she’s] told readers,” and she was really definitive about Sophie-Anne being finally dead.

                    http://charlaineharris.master.com/texis/master/search/showmsg.html?id=4ab1e88c14&q=swedelover+AND+changing#m4ab1e88c14

                    On the other hand, I know some posts on her message board have been deleted in the past–at least a few because she decided to change course.

                    That said, she’s been been much more careful with her comments since her popularity exploded with TB, and I really don’t think she would have told a large group (with at least two people recording her) that Sophie-Anne was finally dead, if she were going to change her mind on that one.

                    And I don’t believe she would deliberately say Sophie-Anne was finally dead just to mislead her readers. She tends to obfuscate with the truth–but not the whole truth–if you know what I mean. 😉

          • April 29, 2010 at 1:49 am

            I think he has assumed she either did it herself or she saw it happen. He knows Sookie well. He knows she can be as ruthless and opportunistic as he is…but he also knows that she doesn’t kill for no reason. I’d go even further to say that he knows if such an opportunity presented itself to him, in her situation, he would have turned a blind eye as well.

            I doubt he would suspect quinn, since that was entirely random – him having the opportunity in the first place. Could be interesting to see what he’d do with that info though, if he worked it out.

    • 37 j9
      April 28, 2010 at 5:58 am

      In answer to the question “Is Sophie-Anne really, finally, definitely dead?” at a Houston book signing in February 2009, CH answered: “Yes. Sophie-Anne is dead. Sophie- Anne is dead. You know, I didn’t realize there was any speculation about that. Yes. She is.”

      http://charlaineharris.master.com/texis/master/search/showmsg.html?id=4964df9923&q=cadd1122+AND+sophie-anne#m4964df9923

  7. 44 Pat
    April 28, 2010 at 7:16 am

    “From Chapter one of DITF, we learn that Eric believes that Felipe did not tell Victor Madden about the protection order for Sookie, and that Victor did not tell Felipe about Sookie and Eric’s marriage. Is Eric’s assumption that the left and the right hand of the new regime are acting independently correct? And if it is, what are the implications for Sookie – and for Eric politically?”

    I am not so sure that Victor didn’t inform Felipe of S/E marriage. In the scene where Sookie hands up the knife to Eric, Victor’s reaction is “Then I’ll take the tiger’s request off the table… my master was unhappy about the tiger wanting to leave anyway”. So, some information must surely have been given to Felipe in order to prevent Quinn from leaving? This is not the sort of thing that Victor could prevent Felipe from knowing for very long and sooner or later Felipe would have found out AND would know that Victor had been a witness to the marriage and didn’t tell him, which would not bode well for Victor. It would not be a msart move from Victor, not to tell Felipe, and I can’t see what he would have to gain. Also, no one forced Felipe put Sookie under his protection, it was his choice, when he was feeling grateful for having his life saved by Sookie, and as such, the obvious follow up would be to inform his representative in Louisiana, Victor, of that decision.

    I am sorry to disagree with you, but I think both parties were fully informed but they chose to claim ignorance when it better suited them. So, they are not working independently, but much the opposite, working closely together. Although Felipe put Sookie under his protection, I think that protection did not extend to all the risks and potential losses with getting involved in a fae war so when it happened, he told Victor to claim no knowledge of that protection and it was only when Pam got him on the phone that he had no other choice than to let Eric go or risk loosing face. That would explain why no actions were taken against Victor after it. He couldn’t punish Victor when he had followed his orders. I am not saying that Victor is a loyal server of Felipe and won’t eventually plot against him (I think he is quite the snake and we are going to see much more of him in the future), but I think in this case they were working together as it was of both their interests to protect vampire interests in Louisiana by not letting Eric go.

    Just my opinion 🙂

    • 45 Mia
      April 28, 2010 at 10:15 am

      Good point. When they offered Sookie protection, FDC/Victor didn’t know she was related to Niall and that they could get dragged into a fae war. I think Eric made the comment in FDTW that the longer they exist, the more jealous of their lives vampires get, which might explain it if FDC decided not to honor his agreement.

    • April 28, 2010 at 10:54 am

      No law against disagreement…in fact it is strongly encouraged! 😉

      I actually agree with you fully – I think FDC is fully complicit in the whole thing and Victor is playing bad cop to his good cop. And I also agree Victor is out to grab Louisiana for himself, and FDC knows it.

      From Chapter one of DITF, we learn that Eric believes that Felipe did not tell Victor Madden about the protection order for Sookie, and that Victor did not tell Felipe about Sookie and Eric’s marriage. Is Eric’s assumption that the left and the right hand of the new regime are acting independently correct?

      This is actually slightly off the mark, you’re right. The scenario above is what they were trying to pull. Eric doesn’t buy Victor not knowing about the protection – “Victor pretended not to believe me”…but he doesn’t seem so sure about FDC not knowing about the marriage. Eric not being certain that FDC knew seems borne out by the fact that Pam feels it necessary to go through an explanation of it when she gets him on the phone.

      Unless of course Pam was one step ahead of both of them, saw through all the bullshitting and knew she had to give FDC an out by explaining to him in front of others what he already knew.

      I’m not convinced though that all of this chess had to do with keeping vampires out of a fae war. I think it has more to do with putting Eric in his place as their biggest threat. The fae war and Sookie’s involvement in it just provided a convenient means. After all, they knew damn well he wasn’t going to sit around and let her die. What a perfect opportunity to show him who’s boss.

      • 47 Pat
        April 28, 2010 at 11:30 am

        What you say about wanting to show Eric his place makes perfect sense.

        Could it be that the reason they spared him in the take-over was only because they thought it would be wiser to keep him on (but on a tight leash!) than to risk an open conflict with him at a much higher cost as he would be considered an opponent quite hard to take down (our dearest Pam, just by herself, took out quite a few of them, hehehe)?

        I never really bought the “we keep you because you’re such an efficient sheriff and because you have Bill earning lot’s of money” explanation. As efficient as Eric probably is, I think they could probably have found a substitute and let’s be honest, how hard would it be to spare Bill in the fighting and then just have him working for them instead? I think Bill would not exactly fall into deep despair if Eric was gone!!!

        Your suggestion that they think of Eric as a big threat would also make sense with all the hints we get that there is a lot of trouble brewing in the next book between Eric and Victor. I think we’ll get to read a lot about it quite soon, I am counting the days! 🙂

        • April 29, 2010 at 2:04 am

          Right! I think we nutted some of this out in the FDTW discussion, I said something about Victor basically blowing smoke up Eric’s ass with the whole “We’re keeping you on because you’re such a good sheriff” BS.

          They have definitely identified him as their biggest threat – so what do you do when you identify a threat? You either take them out first and in a big way (which they chose not to do) OR you attempt to get into bed with them and bring them on side. I think they realised fairly soon after the takeover (what with Eric marrying Sookie right in front of their faces and all) that they should have taken him out when they had the chance. Right through DAG Eric was giving them the proverbial bird and cockblocking Felipe every step of the way. There were always going to be consequences for that. He knew that, he did it anyway. That’s why I get so pissed off when BL’s blab on about the pledge being self serving on Eric’s part. REALLY? He openly challenged his King – you think he’d do that for a good roll in the hay? You think that actually did him any favours? You think there won’t be consequences, or that he didn’t know there’d be consequences that he was obviously prepared to wear?

          Ugh.

          • 49 Meili
            April 29, 2010 at 2:34 am

            I completely agree with you guys. I think there is definitely something going with FDC and VM. BLs are completely disillusioned and are just grasping on straws to do Bill good, and whatever it takes to crush Eric. Complete denial on their part.

            Going along with the FDC/VM line of thought… why did they try to stop Eric from going to rescue Sookie though? Wouldn’t it be better to let him go, and hopefully he would get killed by the fairies? Or were they so sure he would be able to rescue Sookie and maybe even assist Niall in the war by killing off his enemies in the process?

            I’m just trying to pinpoint it down to the why. Is it really as simple as just wanting to put Eric in his place? Wanting to show him who’s boss? Feels like I’m on the fringes of something, but I can’t seem to fully grasp it. I feel like… Sookie!! LOL!

          • 50 Robin
            April 29, 2010 at 3:26 am

            I love the hostility for the BL’s that comes through in this paragraph, SVB, what you have to say is so true! Eric really did put his neck out there to protect Sookie, both with the blood bond in Rhodes (Andre) and the knife pledge. I cannot wait to see how Eric and Sookie have revenge on Victor Madden!

    • 51 SarahStC
      April 28, 2010 at 8:18 pm

      This might be way out there, but could FDC have spared Eric because he wanted Sookie’s allegiance? There’s no way she would have agreed to work with him if he killed Eric, and he probably knew that.

      In that light, FDC’s offer of protection was equivalent to marking his territory. We’ve seen this time and again in SVM (e.g. “Sookie is mine”)

      If this is the case, then the marriage between Eric and Sookie throws a wrench in FDC’s plans for her.

      I suspect that FDC knew in advance about the plan to abduct Sookie, and plotted to keep Eric out of it.

      No evidence for this, but some of the pieces fit together if we assume that possessing Sook and her abilities is one of FDC’s primary goals.

      • 52 Robin
        April 28, 2010 at 10:01 pm

        SarahStC, I lean more toward the theory that FDC knew nothing of the coming Fae war or the impending capture of Sookie. My gut feeling is that Victor Madden was working independent of FDC, trying to gain the upper hand on Eric and putting him in his place as payback for the knife pledging. Victor knows that Sookie is the one weakness that Eric has. I am not convinced that Victor told FDC that Eric and Sookie were married. I AM convinced that Victor is planning a coup against FDC.

        I suppose it is simply possible that Victor and FDC worked together to restrain Eric and prevent him from rescuing Sookie, but ONLY in an effort to avoid vampires becoming involved in a Fae war, which was Victor’s explanation to Eric during the events. But, knowing CH, I think there is going to be much more to it. I also would think that FDC would want to keep Sookie alive and healthy so that he could use her for her telepathy, not send her off to a death sentence with Lochlan and Neave. But, either explanation, I am convinced Victor is planning that coup.

        • 53 SarahStC
          April 28, 2010 at 11:15 pm

          That makes sense for sure. I’m looking forward to getting more insight into Victor’s motivations, since right now he comes off as FDC’s sleazy and ambitious mouthpiece. I’m interested to see whether CH gives us a villain we can sink our teeth into 😉

      • 54 Dee
        April 29, 2010 at 2:50 am

        I think it is very possible that they spared, Eric, because they knew if they killed Eric then there would be no way Sookie would ever do anything for them. Maybe they expected since they showed Eric some mercy that he should be thankful. He can prove to them later on how thankful he is by having Sookie help them. Of course this is probably what FDC was thinking.

        Now this theory might be a bit out there but I wonder if it’s all just a coincidence that Bill tells Sookie at the wedding that he would do ANYTHING to lie with her again, that Jonathon is at the wedding and that it’s the first time we see Niall. We do know that Bill was at the bar with Jonathon and other vamps talking. It’s possible that Jonathon approached Bill and made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Jonathon heard rumors of how important Sookie is to Eric, he could’ve heard about Bill and Sookie’s past. He could’ve warned Bill about the takeover and how it could work to his advantage to get Sookie back. Bill was just thinking earlier how he wanted Sookie back so he was willing to listen. Weird how Niall first makes an appearance at the same time as Jonathon’s appearance in the books. We just assume that Jonathon didn’t know Niall was behind him and that Niall was watching just to protect sookie, it’s her POV so it would just appear that way. If Niall knows the Nevada vamps then that would explain how they knew about the fae war and exactly when it would happen. Thats if Niall is a rat, im suspicious of him but again I know it might be out there.

  8. 55 Meili
    April 28, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Going back towards the beginning of the book, when Sookie wonders why she never read from Grandma’s brain about her affair with Fintan and the subsequent conception of her dad and Aunt Linda, she states
    “It had crossed my mind to go through my grandmother’s things in search of some clue to her thinking, to her reaction to this extraordinary passage in her life, and then I would think . . . Why bother?”

    I think there would be answers had she actually gone through Grandma’s things. Another important piece of puzzle Sookie casually shrugs off, you think? Maybe the telepathy really has nothing to do with her fae blood. Could there have been some other supe added to her genetic make up? I’m not sure how this fits into the many theories that are out there, but I think she really should have pursued this matter.

    • 56 Ericrocks
      April 28, 2010 at 12:10 pm

      I believe the next book has a working title that is actually about letters, so maybe Sook will take her fanny up to that attic. I am not sure where I read that or I would provide a link.SVB probably knows.

      • 57 Meili
        April 28, 2010 at 12:35 pm

        Ah… That would be good. I just think there is more to it. Then again, almost everything in Sookie’s world is that way. Sometimes, I find myself second guessing EVERYTHING! It drives me absolutely crazy! LOL!

        • April 28, 2010 at 1:04 pm

          I know what you mean about second guessing and over thinking. There was a sentence very early in DAG that made me stop.

          “The vampires’ Great Revelation night hadn’t gone so smoothly, because it was the first in the series of shocks mainstream society would feel in the years to come.”

          The weres are coming out and it sounds like there is more to come. Which led me to think that Sookie is telling her story to someone. The books are her pov and we know nothing other than what she experiences or someone else tells her. This is really out in left field, but I think the books are her past, she is remembering events in her life.

      • April 29, 2010 at 11:24 pm

        The working title for Book 11 is “Dead Letters”. If you click on the Book 11 Tag over in the tag cloud on the right, the post will come up.

  9. 68 lala
    April 28, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Sookie is using denial big time in DAG. She does not want to question anything, or look past surfaces. Ugh, frustrating for the reader.
    This is my least favorite of the series. It felt like CH was treading water till her next contract was signed.
    And I though Niall was a whole lot more trouble for Sookie than he was worth. Reminds me of the old witch that lived in Sookie’s house after Hurricane Katrina. Wasn’t very useful.

    • 69 Robin
      April 28, 2010 at 1:31 pm

      I really hope that the events of DAG have matured Sookie enough that she opens her eyes to the world around her. She needs to open her eyes and question people’s motives, and I include Eric in this statement. She needs to trust his intentions towards her, listen to his actions and words. She needs to take the time to look a little closer at her friends as well, including Sam, stop being so naive. Maybe Eric can help her with this.

    • April 28, 2010 at 2:23 pm

      Could there be more to Octavia than we’ve been led to believe. CH has said ..paraphrasing…all her characters serve a purpose. When she takes her leave with Louis…”Octavia had thanked both of us for various things repeatedly, and she’d also found ways to remind us of all sorts of mysterious things she’d done for us that we were having a hard time recalling.” Maybe we are underestimating her importance, she has been described as a very powerful witch.

      • 71 Robin
        April 28, 2010 at 3:27 pm

        Octavia may be a be a very powerful witch, but I thought it odd that she said she had never done an ectoplasmic reconstruction in FDTW. Did anyone else catch that?

        • 72 Ericrocks
          April 28, 2010 at 3:37 pm

          That was supposed to be a very rare occurence, so probably it was never asked of her.

        • 73 Meili
          April 28, 2010 at 3:52 pm

          Robin, I did wonder about that too. That and the whole Louis thing really got to me in this book. We really don’t know too much about Octavia’s background, and she did get a chance to live with Sookie, which puts her very, very close by. Will have to think about all the information she could have gotten by living right there, under the same roof. How does Louis come to play… besides just the stated info that he was her boyfriend?

          Maybe one day Amelia will be a powerful witch, one that can contend with her mentor, if Octavia indeed turns out to be more than just the surface as we know it. I don’t know… there is something about Octavia that I don’t trust!

          • 74 Robin
            April 28, 2010 at 4:12 pm

            Maybe Copley arranged for Octavia to be Amelia’s mentor to keep a closer eye on her. Maybe he doesn’t turn a blind eye to Amelia being a witch after all. Octavia could have been feeding information to Copley about Amelia in the past, now he is using Octavia to get information on Sookie? It seems like Octavia showed up at Sookie’s home not long after Copley visited in FDTW. Were they not wondering how she tracked Amelia down?

            • 75 Gigi
              April 29, 2010 at 3:50 am

              [Octavia may be a be a very powerful witch, but I thought it odd that she said she had never done an ectoplasmic reconstruction in FDTW.]

              [It seems like Octavia showed up at Sookie’s home not long after Copley visited in FDTW.]

              I always thought both things were kind of odd, especially because she somehow insisted on staying at Sookie’s house because she was all alone. If she was such a powerful witch and her partner also was so powerful, why they couldn’t find each other and she chose to stay in BT instead of trying to stay in the city and use her magic to find him?

              • 76 holby
                April 29, 2010 at 3:05 pm

                I agree with you. And remember when Sookie was making her goodbyes to Octavia, Louis gave her a look! (I don’t have my book with me, but it was somehow a suspicious look). Perhaps Louis, like Andre, was able to immediately discern Sookie’s heritage (or even Amelia could have told Octavia about it in a phone conversation after Octavia’s departure). If Louis is some kind of African wizard or whatever Amelia called him, he may have contact with the fae and be a source for information …and who is in New Orleans trying to re-build the city that Louis and Octavia love so much? Why, Victor and Cope!

      • 77 Ericrocks
        April 28, 2010 at 3:36 pm

        There was some talk of Amelia looking onto breakng the bloodbond, so perhaps Octavia will come into play there.

  10. 78 lala
    April 28, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Ericrocks: I like this idea of yours – it woud give Octavia a good purpose for sure.

    Bobsgran: I took the quote you posted as Sookie being snide. Did you?

    • April 28, 2010 at 5:31 pm

      Sort of half and half. If it weren’t for the fact that it had been said on a number of occasions that she was a powerful witch.. Some of you youngsters tend to dismiss us old ladies. lol

      Ericrocks- there is that, but it would be interesting if there was more.

  11. 80 Dee
    April 28, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I had started doing a re-read from club dead recently and finally caught up, just finished FDTW last night but at least i can be part of this re-read.

    I still don’t trust, Niall, I know I can be completely wrong but reading it again, i feel i don’t trust him even more now.

    Bill-ok now this I think it’s even more likely(I hadn’t thought so before) but I’m afraid if it was set up for him to be the rat but then when CH started writing DAG, we know ppl changed her mind about killing Bill off. What if his death would’ve been justified in the book bc he was a rat, and maybe now that has changed everything. It seems like Bill could be the rat, like many of you said the whole Jonathon thing. Not only should he have tried to find out who it was bc of his database but we know that he was aware of a possible take over. He mentions that he knows all the sheriffs had to call eachother everynight, so if you know this then why wouldn’t you be suspicious or say something to Eric. Plus this part in FDTW just tells us that Bill was keeping something to himself.

    Sookie: “Do you know him?”(VM)

    Bill: “Yes, I’ve met him”

    Sookie: But he didn’t add any details and stood lost in an inner debate. I’ve never wanted more intensely to know what someone was thinking than I did at that moment. The silence was getting to me.

    It shows how important it was that Bill knew Victor and Ch is obviously pointing out how knowing the answer to that will tell us everything. And what would the inner debate be about? it’s obvious.

    Maybe it will still happen the way she originally planned but maybe now it will have to be revealed in a later book.

    • 81 KC
      April 28, 2010 at 10:54 pm

      Oh, Dee, I’m so on board for this conspiracy theory;) DAG would have been a much better book IMO if she had not let her editor talk her out of killing Bill (although it may have cramped AB’s plan a little). I’m just hoping that at some point she circles back and gives Bill the end she had originally planned for him. Sad thing though, if she doesn’t, we won’t ever know what his end was *supposed* to be.

      • 82 Dee
        April 28, 2010 at 11:17 pm

        Maybe if her intentions were for him to be the rat, she can still do that just not kill him off. Guess we’ll have to wait and see but I hope from now on out they let her finish her story the way she sees it.

        • 83 Robin
          April 28, 2010 at 11:32 pm

          I had not considered the theory of Bill being the rat in conjunction with CH wanting to kill Bill’s character in DAG. Dee, you have come up with another reason for me to believe he is the one!

  12. 84 KC
    April 28, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    IMO, Bill’s stalker-crazy about Sookie and would have been sent over the edge by news of the pledge, enough to conspire with Victor to have Eric restrained so that he could be the one to “save” Sookie from Things 1 and 2, and redeem himself to her. Unfortumately, being Bill, he arrived too late to save her from serious harm. Eric discovers Bill’s perfidy, reveals it to Sookie and, in a perfect world, Sookie stakes him like she should have after she offed Lorena, and doesn’t feel a scintilla of remorse;) Can you can tell I have a *problem* with Bill? Honestly, if Sookie hadn’t seen Gran’s death in Rene’s mind, I’d think Bill got rid of her so that Sookie would be easier to seduce.

    Back to the world as it exists, it will be interesting to see how Bill feels about the pledge in DitF. I hope he’s crushed.

  13. 85 Dee
    April 28, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Robin-I also was not one who had believed Bill was the rat, I thought could be possible but I wasn’t as convinced. But doing a re-read a few stuff stood out to me, especially now when looking for a rat. I also found it odd that the ONLY time he spoke when Victor was as Sookies house was to say he would die for Sookie. He could’ve just stopped there but instead he has to turn to Eric and ask if would do the same. If their lives were being threatened by Victor why turn to the person who you’re supposed to be teamed up with to show a united front and show Victor that infact you two had issues and giving Victor the opportunity to maybe take advantage of that. Even for Bill’s life it would’ve been important if he stuck by Eric, if you might end up having to fight together why piss off the person you’re gonna fight with. Unless Bill knew he was never in danger.

    • 86 KC
      April 29, 2010 at 12:07 am

      Even if Victor didn’t know that Bill and Eric were rivals for Sookie’s affections before that point, he certainly knew then. What better wedge for Victor to use to move Eric’s moneymaker into Victor’s asset column? It may never come to fruition, but I can easily see Bill having the most potential for being the rat. The list of those who knew Sookie was having fairy trouble is not long and Bill *was* the first of a handful of people to know she’d been taken. Oh, and he stopped for a red light – what’s up with that?

      • 87 Janofarc
        April 29, 2010 at 11:04 am

        Mt theory is that Bill, Dermot and Victor were working together.

        Victor was too friendly with Bill and Bill was too careles with his words in FDTW, my guess is Victor is having Bill spy on Sookie and Eric. Victor was made very aware that Sookie was Eric’s achilles heel and that to get rid of the viking he would have to put a wedge between him and Sookie.

        Dermot needed a way to get to Sookie to appease his master Breandan and probably gained knowledge of Bill’s obsession with repossessing Sookie fron Jason. Dermot perhaps planned to take Sookie himself and arranged with Bill to be lax with his guard duty and ensure Eric couldn;t come to the rescue – then Bill rides in on his white horse, takes her from Dermot and they live happily ever after.

        Glich in the plan was Lochlan and Neave and Pam. I think they hijacked the plan and even though it was worse for Sookie, I think it will help to reveal the master plan. Pam was the wild card at fangtasia, I doubt victor accounted for her demanding to call felipe rather than fighting to free her master.

        These three characters had the most to gain from Sookie’s kidnap.

        Dermot would draw Niall to Breandan by holding Sookie and gain favour with Breandan.

        Bill would rescue Sookie from Dermot and gain favour with her while discrediting Eric, ending in resuming his ownership of her (I refuse to accept her respects her enough to truly love her)

        Victor holds Eric in place, having power over the viking and rubbing it in that Bill is now Sookie’s hero. Bill controls Sookie, Victor controls Bill, they can get rid of Eric.

        The best laid plans o’ mice and men aften gang awry.

        • 88 Meili
          April 29, 2010 at 11:28 am

          I could see that being the case. That way, if Sophie-Anne is truly finally dead (per CH), we don’t really need her in the rat equation. She could have been kept alive long enough to gather information from, and to see the whole Sigebert attack through, and Victor could have killed her after.

          Dermot would certainly have plenty to gain from this arrangement. After all, he doesn’t have any love for Niall and pledged loyalty to Breandan, eventhough Breandan despises him. So he would gain from the kidnap as much as Bill… Breandan would favor Dermot and Sookie would favor Bill.

          And Victor would gain more power and control. I think Victor has his own personal agenda and that is to overthrow FDC, even if not to take over NV, AK and LA, it is to at least takeover LA and be king himself. It will not be an easy task if Eric is around, so he would need to do something to get rid of Eric.

        • 89 Robin
          April 29, 2010 at 11:53 am

          I can also see certain aspects of your theory. The one problem that I see is Dermot getting his information about Bill’s obsession with Sookie from Jason. I don’t think Jason has been around Bill enough to know about his obsession, nor do I think Sookie would share details about Bill with Jason. No, I think Dermot would have learned this information from Amelia and Tray. Or, what seems more likely, Victor Madden would not have needed this information from Dermot at all because Bill openly voiced his feelings for Sookie during the takeover.

          Let me also say, that I am not convinced that Dermot is a bad guy. The only information that we have about him is from Niall, who is very biased. Remember, Niall did not like Jason because he did not have the “essential spark”. And, Dermot was actually helpful to Jason. I think it is more likely that Victor Madden worked with Breandan than Dermot.

          • 90 Janofarc
            April 29, 2010 at 12:26 pm

            I’m pretty sure anyone who went into Merlotte’s regularly was aware of Bill’s obsession with Sookie! Although the Amelia/Tray route is more likely than Jason. After all they did try to set her up on a date with him and Amelia is the type of friend that would say ‘she’s been fucked around by other guys so mess this up and I’ll kill you’.

            I don’t think Sookie was meant to get hurt at all, other than maybe some rope-burns and bruises from being thrown on Bill’s white charger – but the hijacking of the plan by Lochlan and Neave left all players impotent to prevent the injuuries Sookie sustained.

            Bill is the link. The fairies wouldn’t go to Victor to help them win a fae war. There’s a good chance Victor was unaware of which fairy was working with Bill, all Bill would have to say is that they had a chance to get Sookie out of Eric’s clutches if Victor could detain him long enough for Bill to secure her. As I said, if Pam hadn’t insisted they call FDC how long would Victor have held Eric?

            Long enough for Bill to ensure that Sookie was convinced Eric never actually cared for her? Long enough to glamour a couple of fangbangers into thinking Eric had fucked them then send them Sookie’s way to break her heart enough to run to Bill?

            There was a major advantage for Victor in taking part but I don’t think he was the initiator of the plan. I think Bill went to him, reporting of S/E reconnection sexually – an event I think the NV vamps had been trying to stop happening – Victor already has Bill in his pocket and would probably agree to any plan which would put Sookie under Bill’s control.

            • 91 Meili
              April 29, 2010 at 2:35 pm

              Ok, ok. so here’s what is going on.. (like I know…haha!) These are a combination of theories from y’all (a couple of my own thrown in there for good measure!)

              QSA was kept alive by Victor for information that would help him in manipulating the Area 5 vamps in his personal agenda of taking over LA. He’s able to use Sigebert to assault Eric and FDC outside of Merlotte’s. When this failed attempt, he then kills QSA (why risk having her around, she doesn’t have much use to him anymore)

              Bill’s connection to Victor
              VM’s reaction outside of Sookie’s house the night of the take over.
              Victor stood quite still just inside the door. He gave everyone in the room a very cautious look, though his smile never faded. When he spotted Bill, the smile actually brightened. “Ah, Compton,” he said, and though I expected he’d follow up with a more illuminating remark, that didn’t happen.

              In what capacity did VM know Bill? What kind of previous dealing did they have? Possibly through Jonathon at the night of the Bellefleur wedding. Victor sends Jonathon as a scout that night. Bill was at the bar with Jonathon and other vamps talking. Jonathon approached Bill and made him an offer he couldn’t refuse, a chance to win Sookie back. Incidentally, same night, Bill tells Sookie that he would do ANYTHING to lie with her again.

              So now, Bill decides to work with Victor.

              The night of the takeover:
              In FDTW, Bill says “Know this: I will die for her. If you harm her, I’ll kill you.” Bill turned his dark eyes on Eric. “Can you say the same?”
              Eric plainly wouldn’t, which put him behind in the “Who Loves Sookie More?” stakes.

              Knowing Sookie would think this, it is his first attempt at putting himself ahead on this list of hers.
              The second attempt would be to rescue Sookie and make her doubt Eric’s love even more.
              The third attempt would be to glamour a couple of fangbangers into thinking Eric was fucking them during his rescue mission, and then send them Sookie’s way to break her heart

              Bill was sent over the edge by news of Eric & Sookie’s pledge, enough to conspire with Dermot, even if it meant putting Sookie in harm, thinking he would rescue her before any major damages were done to her (Ratrays, anyone?)

              Dermot
              Dermot needed a way to get to Sookie to appease his master Breandan, and probably gained knowledge of Bill’s obsession with repossessing Sookie from Amelia and Tray. Dermot’s plan is to kidnap Sookie himself and had arranged with Bill to be lax with his guard duty and ensure Eric couldn’t come to the rescue. Dermot would hold Sookie long enough for Niall to come, essentially drawing Niall to Breandan.
              Then Bill gets to ride in on his white horse, takes Sookie from Dermot and they live happily ever after – while Dermot gains approval and hopefully love from Breandan.

              Dermot is not necessarily bad, he probably just wants to belong and fit in with the fairies. Like Fintan, he probably experienced the same “half-in, half-out existence of a fairy who wasn’t truly a fairy” and resents that. Since Niall loves his humans so much, it is natural for Dermot to resent him and to fall into Breandan’s camp. But since Breandan despises humans, Dermot would have to work much harder at appeasing him and proving himself.

              Glitches
              Glitch in the plan was Lochlan and Neave and Pam. They inadvertently hijacked the plan and even though it was worse for Sookie, because Dermot probably had no intention of harming her as much as Thing 1 and Thing 2. He probably just wanted to give her a scare, a few cuts and bruises and send her off her way with Bill.

              Pam was the wild card at Fangtasia. Victor did not account for her demanding to call FDC rather than fighting to free her master.

              So the rats are paired up as such:
              Sophie-Ann / Victor
              Victor / Bill
              Bill / Dermot

              FDC knew nothing of the Fae war or the impending capture of Sookie. Victor was working independent of FDC, trying to gain the upper hand on Eric and putting him in his place as payback for the knife pledging. Victor knows that Sookie is the one weakness that Eric has. Victor had not told FDC that Eric and Sookie were married.

              • 92 Janofarc
                April 29, 2010 at 5:58 pm

                Except QSA is confirmed as finally dead by Charlaine herself.

                FDTW was in November and D&G was in January? If I’m wrong then I’m sure one of you lovely people will set me right. So we’ve, potentially, got 3 months of Bill and Victor spying and plotting on how to get rid of Eric but keep Sookie as an asset to the state.

                Dermot approaching Bill to garner his ‘help’ in drawing Niall into a trap for Breandan must have been like … whatever vamps find as good as christmas coming early.

                • 93 Meili
                  April 29, 2010 at 6:06 pm

                  [Except QSA is confirmed as finally dead by Charlaine herself.]
                  Yes, well… now she is dead. But maybe not before Victor got some crucial info from her and not before Sigebert.

                  Close enough on the dates, FDTW was late-Oct and DAG was mid-Jan. I think Victor did a good job of keeping Eric away from Sookie all that time. Othewise, I’m sure Eric would have gone to see her sooner.

              • 94 Dee
                April 29, 2010 at 8:54 pm

                I never got the impression that the plan was to torture, Sookie, to that extreme. Maybe I am overthinking this one small part but when Sookie wakes up in the house they kept her in, at that point Lochlan and Neave didn’t do that much to her. Then Lochlan and Neave stand around waiting for a phone call to tell them that Niall will agree to close the port once he finds out they have Sookie. I can’t remember right now how Lochlan and Neave said it but to me it seemed like,Breandan, made sure Niall would know and all he had to do was call to agree with those terms, L&N even expected to receive the call before they began torturing her, so she should’ve been free soon after she woke up but instead the call never came and L&N being who they were decided to torture her for fun and probably even thought that since they never received the call that they were wrong about what Niall would do and he wasn’t going to save her. She was of no use to them anymore so why set her free.

                You can also see then why the plan didn’t sound so bad when it was presented to the rat. I think a lot of ppl have trouble thinking of a rat bc they think that whomever they might suspect would never hurt sookie that badly. They could’ve simply said that they’ll capture her, keep her somewhere tied up where nobody could find her, they’ll make sure Niall knows right away and Breandan will let him know that all he has to do to let Sookie go is to agree to close the port. They probably said that Niall loves humans and especially Sookie too much that he will have no choice, he’ll agree and they’ll let Sookie go right away. I even think that maybe Breandan didn’t expect that outcome, he probably also thought it would go just as easily.

          • 95 Serena
            April 29, 2010 at 8:50 pm

            About Dermot, I too don’t think he is a bad guy and that it will be revealed he is just misunderstood. Why didn’t he go directly to Sookie, but instead tried to cozy up to Amelia and Tray and then to Jason? When he talks to Jason, he says all crossbreeds must die, and then says he won’t kill Jason because he is ‘blood of my blood.’ Oh really now, aren’t you the one that opened the truck door that killed Jason’s parents? Hmm. So maybe he did, but he was trying to save them, not drown them, but since they ended up dying Niall blamed him anyway and it appeared to be that he was on Breandan’s side.

            I still don’t understand why Breandan’s side wants to kill Sookie and not Jason too, or Hunter for that matter. It makes me think Sookie is more important than just being Niall’s grandchild, and that is tied to why the crossbreeds should all die, and beyond the explanation given by Claude and Claudine. I mean, how exactly is fairy-human mating draining their magic? I can understand the diluting the genetics angle but a lot of fairies died just to get at Sookie,…it just seems to me one silly human, even if she is Niall’s GGD, is not worth the price of fairy lives.

            So I wonder if there is some grand ole prophecy that says one of Niall’s half-human descendants will bring about the end of the fairies or something, and it is self-fufilling because of this mutual destruction streak they have going on. I also wonder if they have it wrong and its not Sookie but Hunter that matters. hmm.

            • 96 Meili
              April 29, 2010 at 10:14 pm

              This brings an interesting point. Once again, I wondered why Niall told Sookie that she was his only living kin. Not sure how fairy genetics work, but wouldn’t Jason and Hunter be his kin too? Also, Sookie had asked Niall to locate Remy Savoy, and he promptly provided her an address the next morning… wouldn’t Niall (being as curious as he was in regards to her life) try to find out why she’s looking for this person, and would ask it as a favor when she could ask for anything else? That and knowing Fintan fathered Aunt Linda as well, who had Hadley, wouldn’t he try to find out if Hadley herself had children? This would then ultimately lead to Hunter and wouldn’t he be curious to see if Hunter possessed the essential spark as well?

              • April 29, 2010 at 11:39 pm

                Niall did enough snooping on Hadley to know that she was dead by the time he was able to make contact with his kin. He tells Sookie it was “too late” for him to know her cousin Hadley.

                Having then provided Sookie with Hunter’s father’s address…you have to conclude that he knows about Hunter. No way he wouldn’t.

                • 98 Meili
                  April 29, 2010 at 11:48 pm

                  That’s what I’m saying… if he knows Hunter exists, then wouldn’t he try to figure out if he possesses this essential spark, if he only recognizes his kin by “the essential spark”? I guess we’ll have to wait to find out how this fairy thing works, there’s definitely more to it than just what was told.

            • 99 Dee
              April 29, 2010 at 10:41 pm

              I am also not so sure that Dermot is bad. Like you said, he tried to help Jason out and if he wanted to do something bad to Sookie then why try to meet her on friendly terms. Why become friends with Amelia and Tray and be introduced that way. If he wanted to hurt Sookie then why not just go after her, that part I never understood. But who knows maybe Ch will have a reason for that but for now that makes me think hes not bad. For all we know maybe he was trying to warn her too.

              There definitely is going to be a lot revealed about the fairy world, a lot of things just don’t make sense. Like many of you said, why did Niall tell Sookie she was his only living kin when its clear she is not. He also mentioned Fintan had children with other women. Also how much does Niall care about his kins, he favored Fintan but he didn’t care for his own son Dermot.

              Also, I know this is weird but why was he so eager to grant sookie a wish. He kept pushing that a little too much, even Sookie questioned why he wanted to grant a wish for her so bad. She kept saying nothing for a while but maybe there is something behind it. Did he feel guilty bc he was getting her involved in the middle of a fae war, or some other reason.

              • 100 Dee
                May 1, 2010 at 8:07 pm

                Ok after finishing it, I am now more convinced that Dermot is not bad. Even Sookie starts questioning that and thinks it makes no sense. Jason basically makes all great points, and many times the person you least expect to make sense of a situation is the one who is right, you are more likely to dismiss their ideas but they might be right. He even said to Sookie, if he wanted to kill you then why did he have to meet you first. Sookie questions this and said it was weird because Murry just came to her yard and tried to kill her. He also tried to help Jason out, which also shows that he was watching Jason since he knew about Mel, maybe protecting him the way Fintan used to. Then Jason asked why he would be on the side that is against humans when he himself is half human. Niall said that Dermot is on Breandan’s side but Breandan doesn’t accept him, it would be weird if Dermot fought on Breandans side on his own.

                I also wonder who the fairy was that Sookie saw outside of Arlene’s house. When Andy and the FBI showed up and they were all shooting at eachother, Sookie, says it was a miracle that she didn’t get hit, she seemed surprised. Then she sees a fairy watching her from behind a tree, she assumes he is one of the fairies out there to kill her but maybe he protected her and the reason why she didn’t get hit by a bullet.

                Now about the rat, something just doesn’t seem right. I asked myself the same question we all asked but for a different reason. How did Victor know exactly when to show up at fangtasia. The reason why I ask though is because not even the fairies knew exactly when they would capture Sookie. They had been trying so not like they could’ve told Victor, be at fangtasia on friday at 8pm for example. Even if they called victor as soon as Sookie was captured, it wouldn’t have given him enough time to get there, and he wouldnt have been there when Bill called Eric. So he had to have known just a little bit ahead of time. Nobody knew where Sookie was, and the fairies wouldnt have known where she would be or with whom. There is only one person who knew a little bit prior and that is Bill. Sookie called him to meet her and they left at same time but different cars, that would be enough notice. Also, why did he wait for a red light? Sookie was going into driveway of her home, that would be the most dangerous time for her to be alone. Just run the red light, you’re a vamp you could glamour a cop after. Not sure if Bill is a rat but there is nobody else who could’ve told victor and for it to have been timed that perfectly.

                • 101 Robin
                  May 1, 2010 at 11:07 pm

                  It seems that most of us are coming up with this explanation for who the rat is after looking carefully at all of the facts that we know. We know that CH has said that she had planned to kill Bill at the end of DAG, but was talked into writing a different ending regarding him. I wonder how long we are going to have to wait to have our rat revealed? I am almost convinced that Bill is the rat, but I hope not for Sookie’s sake. It will be his final betrayal.

  14. 102 Mia
    April 29, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Some things that are curious about this book:

    Sam entrusts Sookie with the bar, but she’s almost immediately overwhelmed by running it. She mentions all the things she doesn’t know about or doesn’t have the authority to do, and it made me wonder why Sam has never entrusted her with more responsibility before now. If you want to go “conspiracy theory”, maybe he’s hiding something that she would discover if she was closer to the business. Or, maybe he doesn’t think well enough of her to believe she is competent to order inventory, etc. If that’s the case, who does he normally have run the bar? You would think he’s taken a vacation or gone off to see his family once in a while. Have I missed something?

    Sookie’s feelings for Quinn are incomprehensible to me. She has barely seen or heard from him by her recall, and I believe she mentions, only been intimate with him once or twice, yet when Eric asks if she regrets Quinn, she tells him yes, “Because we had the beginning of something good going, and I may have made a huge mistake sending him away.” It reminds me of the “love” of Tara and Eggs in TB S2, which I didn’t buy either.

    Also Quinn’s feelings for her feel false. In ATD, I think is where Sookie says she’s barely seen or heard from Quinn leading up to Rhodes; yet he can’t get over her? Half the time he can’t even be bothered to call her. Did Victor/FDC let him come to Bon Temps to try to secure Sookie? He certainly tries to undermine her relationship with Eric. Of course it doesn’t make sense that he arrives at sunset so I’m not sure what was to be gained by his appearance.

    Bigger issues: everyone and their brother appears to warn Sookie that the fairies are going to war and that she’s a potential target. Niall, Diantha(Btw how did Mr C know this?), Claude & Claudine. Yet, Niall does not provide Sookie with any protection, and she’s the one that gets Murry, the killer fairy. Even after Murry is dust, Sookie gets no protection from her fae family.

    I’m only up to chapter 11, but at this point, I’m wondering why Niall did not provide Sookie with protection. Why aren’t either Claude or Claudine living in her house or at least, lurking in her woods? Claudine’s death would have made more sense (and me less angry) if she had gone down swinging in Sookie’s defense instead of being killed off in a sentence.

    I guess I didn’t get the point of chronically warning someone whose so much weaker than your enemies that they’re in danger and then doing nothing to protect them.

    • 103 Serena
      April 29, 2010 at 1:54 pm

      I think Sookie’s feelings for Quinn are all projection, she wants to love him because he could give her a family, but he’s such an ass. Seriously, has the man never heard of a phone? Him showing up at nighr is certainly circumspect. He wouldn’t show up in FDTW when they were actually going out but now he urgently needs to talk to her face to face once they’ve broken up? And then I found what he actually said mindboggling. In FDTW the last line from Quinn is “Then there is nothing left to talk about.” Then when he shows up at Sookie’s house she says, “Didn’t we say it all last time?” and Quinn says, “You said what you thought was all, babe, I disagree.” That would be you disagree with yourself Quinn. Ass. So why does he show up at Sookie’s house? The rest of the conversation is so bizzare, as all he does is talk about Eric, Bill and even Sam. Its all Bill this, Eric’s vamps that. He doesn’t even make a case for himself.

      And I wonder if he in his own way is trying to warn Sookie because he knows something is up with the Nevada contingent, but maybe Quinn has been magically forbidden to betray them again? Upon another reread of this passage, he is constantly making eye contact with Sookie and getting angrier by the minute, so maybe he is ‘thinking’ at her and getting more frustrated that she isn’t picking it up..

      It is really annoying all these people warn Sookie and then do jack about it. Mr Cataliades could know cause demons are in the fae catergory, no? Or he could know cause he heard Victor talk about it.. interesting point, hmm.

      • 104 LLE
        April 29, 2010 at 9:20 pm

        Quinn has something to hide. Maybe he was wanted to talked Sookie in going to Vegas to work for the King. Quinn knows that Sookie has fairy in her and he told her did not care.

        I agree that Sookie wanted to love Quinn so she can have a man that she can spend the days with and have children. She did the same with Alcide but that did not work out and then she met Quinn. Sookie is not upset with the breakup with Quinn at all.

    • 105 Dee
      April 29, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      Mr. Cataliades is a demon and demons are part of the fairy world so thats how he could’ve heard about it.

    • 106 LLE
      April 29, 2010 at 9:31 pm

      Sookie talk herself into thinking maybe she can have relationship with Alcide so can spend the days together and have children. The relationship did not go anywhere and then she met Quinn and she did the samething. Sookie was attractive to Quinn and she thought if talks herself in to getting involved with him. Quinn never told her his past and his family problems. Sookie found that out from Jake.

      When Sookie broke up with Quinn, she was never really upset about the relationship. Sookie telling Eric that she did have regrets breaking up with Quinn but she never heart broken about it. Sookie was never in love with him him first place.

    • April 29, 2010 at 11:48 pm

      Did Victor/FDC let him come to Bon Temps to try to secure Sookie? He certainly tries to undermine her relationship with Eric. Of course it doesn’t make sense that he arrives at sunset so I’m not sure what was to be gained by his appearance.

      I think this is a possibility. I expanded on this in another post somewhere but I can’t remember where it is now duh.

      But I think it’s possible that FDC sent Quinn back for a last ditch attempt to secure Sookie for him, against Quinn’s wishes.

      When Quinn is saying to Sookie “He is trying to wall you off from everyone who cares about you…look at all the dependents he has….etc” and Sookie is thinking “What the FUCK is he talking about?” –

      I feel like Quinn was trying to warn her. He wasn’t talking about Eric at all (because that doesn’t even make sense – since when has Eric tried to wall her off from anyone? If he wanted to do that, Quinn and Bill would be dead). This also ties in a bit with what Eric told her about FDC having her locked in a room mind reading for him if he got his way (a more literal interpretation of Quinn’s warning). Sookie THINKS Quinn’s talking about Eric, and that’s why she’s so confused. But he was talking about Felipe. Or perhaps Victor. But either way Q was trying to get her to read between the lines, he was trying to WARN her.

      The other reason I felt it was possible that FDC was behind that visit from Quinn – Eric had clearly shown he was prepared to cross FDC at that point where Sookie was concerned with the pledge. Felipe also knows E/S are blood bonded. If I were FDC, I would much prefer Sookie to be with a shifter who is in my debt, and therefore under my control – than blood bonded to the sheriff who has already shown he is willing to take political risks to keep me away from her.

      Things are just easier for him all round if she’s with Quinn.

      • 108 Meili
        April 29, 2010 at 11:55 pm

        Wow! SVB, you are awesome at these theories! Now I’m gonna have to go read that part again and look at it from your point. Love it!!

        • April 30, 2010 at 12:03 am

          Oh something else. Quinn is quite agitated and erratic during this visit. It’s generally assumed it’s because he’s all hot under the collar about Eric – nuh uh. His behaviour looks exactly like someone who is somewhere they know they aren’t supposed to be under penalty of death. It’s close to sunset, he’s shitting bricks that Eric is going to catch him….he’s not there by choice. No way.

          • 110 Robin
            April 30, 2010 at 12:33 am

            Damn, how on earth did you come up with that theory SVB? I always thought the visit from Quinn in DAG was so strange, and his behavior and words to Sookie never made much sense to me. Very strange, indeed. It never occurred to me that he might be trying to warn her. I wonder if we will ever have your theory confirmed?

            • April 30, 2010 at 12:39 am

              I think it will all fall into place eventually 😉 Not this book though. Maybe the next one, when Quinn comes back.

              • 112 Lkc
                April 30, 2010 at 2:45 am

                Love this theory. Makes sense. I had always thought that the reason he came at dusk was to actually talk to Eric and warn him. You know they must have talked somewhat when Sookie was unconscious. Yikes maybe Quinn was trying to warn Eric/Sookie and that’s why Eric asks her if she regrets Quinn, because he realizes Quinn is not so bad afterall! Shoot I want them all to be bad, bad, bad! Except Eric!

                • 113 Meili
                  April 30, 2010 at 3:14 am

                  Oh this is disturbing! LOL! So Quinn went on this mission, but decides to throw in a warning to Eric and Sookie (in his piss poor way). That is why he shows up at sunset, knowing Eric would get there too. Sookie doesn’t get WTF he’s talking about, then when she’s unconscious, he talks to Eric (maybe using the same piss poor method) but Eric can read between the lines. Eric goes to Sookie, asks her if she still loves Quinn. After their romp in the sack, he asks her again if she regrets Quinn, because he is starting to think that maybe Quinn is not that bad.

                  This is definitely mind blowing if correct. I’ve always hated Quinn, and I can’t imagine seeing him as being “not so bad”! haha!

                  • April 30, 2010 at 3:43 am

                    See here’s the thing. I’m not a big Quinn fan – I don’t like him for Sookie but I like how he sets Eric’s jealous streak off like no one else can lol.
                    I don’t like Quinn because he’s inherently weak and that weakness makes him too dangerous for Sookie to be around. But I don’t think he’s a bad guy, and I don’t dislike him in the way I dislike Bill.

                    I’m prepared to give Quinn the benefit of the doubt on this one, I do think he cares for Sookie enough that he’d rather see her with Eric than under the thumb of FDC just like he is. Quinn is alot of things – weak, easily manipulated, cocky, and he has an overinflated perception of his own intelligence. But I don’t think he’d wish Sookie any harm, I don’t think he’d hand her over to FDC without at least trying to give her a clue so she could try to save her own ass.

                    ETA: He sent Frannie ahead to warn her about the takeover, so we’ve already seen him do this once. He’s trying not to hand her over, but at the same time he’s trying to keep his ass covered with FDC. Typical Quinn.

                    • April 30, 2010 at 3:46 am

                      Oh I also don’t think that any of this will change Eric’s opinion of Quinn per se – that ship is long gone.

                    • 116 Robin
                      April 30, 2010 at 11:44 am

                      SVB, still thinking about the “walling you off” statement that Quinn made to Sookie. I originally took that statement from Quinn to mean that he was refering to the knife pledge and Eric’s arrangement that Quinn was to stay out of Area 5. In other words, Quinn was essentially telling Sookie “he is walling you off from ME”. I have not completely ruled out that was what he meant. Of course, Sookie is so clueless, she thinks he literally means everyone, and that is why she is so confused by his statement.

                      BUT, I like your theory, and it seems totally plausible that he could have been trying to warn Sookie. We have no idea what actually happened off-page with Quinn and Eric. Maybe we will find out more in the next books.

                      And, I think the reason Eric asks her about her feelings for Quinn is that he is trying listen to how she answers in combination with feeling her emotions through the blood bond to see how she really feels for him. He has been using this technique with Sookie since the blood exchange in Rhodes. I think that is why he says “you love me” with certainty in chapter 10 of DAG.

          • 117 Dina
            May 1, 2010 at 6:15 pm

            I recently reread this part and I have a strong feeling that Quinn was feeding Sookie somebody else’s lines, he was ordered to go. Perhaps he was told that worse would happen to Sookie if he does not convince her. I thought the ” wall off” sentense was about Eric, because it was followed by ” he’ll never let his dependents pledge to someone else”. FDC or Victor need to separate Eric and Sookie; they need control over Eric’s- very devoted- subordinates, over Sookie ( they want her to leave Eric and serve them) and Eric ( too much independence). They are trying to go through Quinn, and Quinn is desperate- and I think there are more reasons for desperation than just having Sookie as a girlfriend. He knows either Sookie is in mortal danger or his family is threatened again.

            On a totally different note, after re-reading FDTW and DAG, I am so sad Eric did not “go for Sookie” sooner, right after he remembered all the DTTW events. She desperately hoped he would. He probably could not, due to the takeover, but not even talking to her about it was a grave mistake on his part.

            • 118 Robin
              May 1, 2010 at 7:04 pm

              Dina, I am just finishing up my reread of FDTW today. As soon as Eric remembered his time he spent with Sookie, he immediately began calling her “lover” again. He promised that they would talk about the time they spent together and would come to an understanding. Then he replaced her phone, including paying for several months of service, and her front door. He continued to care of her, even though he couldn’t be there in person. When she called him on the phone to arrange for Copley to meet with the Nevada regime, he once again called her “lover” and told her some of the memories that he had, and made a point to tell her that if he was not so busy in Shreveport, he would come remind her of how much she enjoyed their time together. So, I think Eric was very clear about his intentions of resuming their relationship where it had ended every time they had contact, but also made it clear that he was in a very precarious position and could not go to her any sooner.

              I am starting to have a really bad feeling about Quinn. We know Sophie Anne used Quinn to obtain Sookie’s telepathy services for the Rhodes summit. I am thinking by that time, Quinn was already working for Nevada. We know that he had been hired to assist with the hierarchal wedding of Sophie Anne and Peter Threadgill, so he already had tons of knowledge on the situation with Louisiana and Arkansas vampires. CH has said that Nevada had a spy at the Rhodes summit, and I just wonder if that spy was Quinn. And, Quinn killed Andre, which would further weaken the hold Sophie Anne had on Louisiana. Sookie just assumed
              Quinn killed Andre to protect her, but maybe he had more than one reason to do so?

              I do think that Quinn has feelings for Sookie. But, he is definitely caught between the threat to his family and his feelings for Sookie. And, his family comes first. I also wonder if Frannie and Quinn’s mothers visit to Sookie was a setup too.

              • 119 Dina
                May 1, 2010 at 8:23 pm

                Robin, I’ve been wondering for a while if Quinn has killed Andre for Nevada. That also might connect with Eric wanting to know how Andre died. Perhaps had Sookie trusted him more and told him, more would be illuminated about Victor and FDC, but Sookie chose not to share. Mistake, IMHO.
                I get about Eric indicating that he not only remembers, but wants Sookie for the future. But being in her position- insecure, not trusting him completely, not understanding why he needs her- it must have been so hard. He has ” we’ll come to an understanding” and disappears for 2, 5 months. I even thibnk second- guessing whether she was right to banish Quinn came only as a result of Eric not stepping into her life. Remember how she agonized when SHE had to invote Bill places? Same here. He tells her his memoires after she calls him, not vice versa.
                I am deeply emotionally attached to Eric as a character and can justify his every action, absolutely. He is yet again protecting Sookie by not placing too much attention on their relationship when he is vulnerable. And yet- I got so sad about it from HER perspective ( sp?). The whole ” Gift Wrap” story- it’s about a year since she had Eric in her house and she is very, very lonely.

                • 120 Dina
                  May 1, 2010 at 8:28 pm

                  Sorry for the typos and jumbled sentenses. Is there an “Edit” button here? Thanks!

                • 121 Robin
                  May 1, 2010 at 10:52 pm

                  Yes, I do understand what you are saying, it was a very lonely time for Sookie. I do think Eric could have done a better job of conveying the fact that he was in a precarious position and was trying to protect her from distance. I do remember how lonely she was during the Gift Wrap story, and was deeply disturbed by Niall’s gift to Sookie. I find myself emotionally attached to both characters, and I hope they are eventually given the happiness together that they both deserve.

      • 122 Serena
        April 30, 2010 at 12:55 am

        I agree, he was trying to warn her. SVB, why do you think he didn’t come out and say it though? I mean, the way Sookie describes him he is definitely ‘thinking’ at her. She mentions it three times how Quinn looks at her:
        “His gaze locked with mine”
        “then he looked directly into my eyes again.”
        “focusing on me with unnerving intenstity.”
        Do you think he is trying to tell her who the rat is or that there is a rat? He seems pretty adamant about this whole thing, so I doubt he showed up just on a hunch that Victor was up to something.

        • April 30, 2010 at 1:38 am

          I don’t think he showed up there on a hunch, or of his own violition at all – I think he was sent there.

          He is trying his best to warn her about what is going on behind her back by talking between the lines. It’s very telling that when he says those two lines, Quinn never calls Eric by name. He says “he is trying, him” etc. Sookie notes he is looking at her with “unnerving intensity” – as you do when you’re trying to get someone to take your hint and they clearly aren’t. Quinn even places emphasis on the “he” – “Look at all the dependents he has” – in an attempt to draw her attention to the fact that he’s NOT talking about Eric. Sookie actually says to him “You’re talking about Eric?” and Quinn doesn’t actually answer the question but he then switches to ranting about Eric – “He’ll never dump his little area for you….etc”. Through veiling who he is talking about, he is protecting his own ass as well because he appears be doing exactly what he was sent there to do – get her away from Eric.

          Why didn’t he come right out and warn her? Most likely because FDC hung his mother’s welfare (or any one of the other things he uses to keep Quinn as his puppet) over his head if he didn’t go and do what he was told. Quinn is manipulated by Felipe all over the place…certainly isn’t the first time that’s happened, nor will it be the last I wouldn’t think. And the point of the whole exercise was to get Sookie away from Eric voluntarily, by having her choose Quinn over Eric. Sookie had to think that’s what happened. Hence the dialogue.

          • 124 Serena
            April 30, 2010 at 2:01 am

            Oh I see what you mean now, that he is warning her in spite of his mission. I thought he was there to warn her point blank, but yours is the more intriguing option! Quinn really does a piss job of it, on both accounts.

            • April 30, 2010 at 2:06 am

              Piss poor job, as usual LOL.

              Quinn has been used as a pawn and manipulated so many times now, this really isn’t far to jump.

              • 126 Dee
                April 30, 2010 at 4:37 am

                Very interesting theories on Quinn, definitely gonna look for all of that when I get to that part, didn’t realize that first time I read it. I think I was just annoyed with him saying Eric wouldn’t give things up for her.

                Is it possible that he was trying to warn Sookie, let her know something but also at the same time didn’t want her with Eric either.

                Curious to see what else we find out about Quinn in the novella about him.

                • 127 Robin
                  April 30, 2010 at 11:49 am

                  Hopefully that novella will give us more information on what is going on with Quinn, in respect to FDC and his involvement with the Nevada regime. In other words, maybe we will get a part of the story from his POV so we will better understand how it affects Sookie.

  15. 128 M
    April 29, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Have you read the lengthy summary of DITF on ontd_trublud?! OMG! Don’t read it if you don’t want to read major spoilers.

  16. 129 lala
    April 29, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Mia: Yeah, no wonder everyone treats sookie as if she needs protection – she causes a lot of her own trouble (or is just not up to snuff) besides having a lot of enemies.

    I thought the Niall character was ineffectual – that is, he was out to use sookie for his own rivalry purposes, but from sookie’s standpoint, she wanted him as family in a needy way. She wanted a grandfather type. He never fulfilled this role despite his declarations of “love” and “protection”. He never came through.

    ** re: quinn: It annoys me how Sookie keeps eric on the fence when he point-blank asks her about her feelings for quinn, and she equivocates. And that occurs in ATD, pg. 92, by the by.

    • 130 Mia
      April 29, 2010 at 4:00 pm

      I tend to agree about Niall. Sookie can be great sometimes; in DAG, not so much, but why would he value her above his own grandchildren? Considering Sookie is short-lived as well? Plus he admits he sent Claudine to watch over her, but why the delay in him personally meeting her?

      I guess I felt that if he really cared about her, he would have taken action to protect her. It could be argued that prior to Murry showing up, Niall didn’t provide protection so as not to call attention to her, but then Claudine’s constant intercession would have done the same thing.

  17. 131 holby
    April 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Okay, Quinn: I just ran through ATD this week…when Sookie sensed Quinn approaching in the lobby of the hotel and turned to greet him, he hesitated, then hugged her. WTF? Why would he seem unsure about hugging his girlfriend. It isn’t like he didn’t know she was going to be at the summit. I just thought this was weird. He didn’t want the vamps to know they were together? The other humans? His sister?

    Bill as rat: I have already committed myself to Bill as the rat. After reading Ch 1 of DitF, I think Eric knows Bill is a rat, too. Actually, Eric knew it at the hospital at the end of DaG. That is why he said he “would have let him rot!” if Sookie was irreparable. He knows Sookie so much better than she knows herself. He knows she will forgive Bill almost anything, even this life-shattering one. There are only three people who have all the necessary pieces of information to actualize a betrayal. Sam, Eric and Bill: They all knew of Sookie’s heritage, they all had contacts within the Nevada hierarchy, they all knew of the Commitment with the Knife.

    Eric knew he couldn’t kill Bill and keep Sookie’s regard. But if anything happens to Sookie, I have no doubt that Bill will die a protracted and painful final death as payback for everything he has done to Sookie. (BTW, I don’t think Eric is the forgiving type and his understanding of what a bastard Bill was to Sookie was solidified way back in CD…I am sure he has not forgotten Bill’s abandoning her nor has he minimized the rape in the way that Sookie has…I bet we find that rape is a touchy issue for Eric, as well as CH)

    • 132 Robin
      April 29, 2010 at 5:38 pm

      Holby, I really like what you have to say regarding Bill being the rat. I always thought it was odd that he told Sookie he would have let Bill rot if she was irreparable. I have been convinced that Bill is the rat since Chapter 1 of DITF came out, and everyone continues to make a stonger case for it. I have no doubt that Eric has not forgotten all the pain that Bill caused Sookie, including his latest betrayal. Some day, his betrayal is going to come to light. It will be interesting to see if Eric will share the betrayal with Sookie or protect her from the pain it will cause.

    • 133 KC
      April 29, 2010 at 5:52 pm

      I don’t see a rat motive for anyone but Bill though, do you? My biggest concern is that since CH’s editor talked her out of killing Bill in DAG (so as to not mess with AB’s plan and the first class seat on the money train?), that the “rat” plotline will just disappear. I hope that Ms. Harris is pissy enough about being thwarted in her *vision* that Bill’s comeuppance is only delayed and not lost forever. BTW, I hope it’s Sookie, not Eric, that stakes Bill. Ahh, my HEA.

    • 134 Meili
      April 29, 2010 at 7:14 pm

      It has definitely been loads of fun pondering who the rat is. My eyes are still set on Bill and Victor’s involvement on the “Tear Sookie and Eric Apart” scheme. But I was also wondering about Quinn and his part in all this.

      Does anyone know or have a theory as to what prompted Eric to go pursue the pledging with Sookie? I’m sure it wasn’t just to “take the tiger’s request off the table”. What were Victor / FDC’s plans for Sookie?

      When Sookie arrived at Fangtasia and met Pam, she asked her what this was about. “You’re protecting your own skin,” Pam said. “Never doubt it. Now go.”

      Eric also said, “The tiger got his dismissal from you. I heard it from his own lips. Why should he return?” So Quinn told Eric about their breakup? Why?

      Then the knife. Sookie wondered about the knife and how Eric got a hold of it. Quinn’s involvement??

      • 135 Dee
        April 29, 2010 at 7:26 pm

        Eric said something like if he didn’t pledge himself to Sookie she would be in an office in NV with FDC reading human minds for him. So I am guessing that FDC showed an interest in Sookie’s gift or maybe even asked Eric if he can borrow sookie for her gift or something along those lines.

        I always did find it very strange how Eric kept the knife, but maybe it was in the robe or didn’t they put Pam in Erics coffin so maybe it was in there.

        • 136 Robin
          April 29, 2010 at 8:23 pm

          I believe CH indicated that the knife was in the robe that Sookie used to cover Eric right before they broke out the hotel room window at Rhodes.

          I theorize that Victor Madden was at Fangtasia that night to request Sookie to go to Las Vegas to do some telepathy work for FDC and to visit Quinn, hence “the tigers request” as an incentive to get her to go. Eric was probably supposed to summon Sookie to Fangtasia for the meeting with Victor, but when she arrived with the knife and pledged herself to Eric, that certainly changed Victor’s plans. Does this make sense to anyone else?

          • 137 EricObsessed
            April 29, 2010 at 11:18 pm

            Yes! That makes total sense! I like your theory. That would explain Victor’s “tiger’s request” comment. I always thought it made it sound like Quinn wanted to marry Sookie instead of Eric and that didn’t make any sense to me.

          • 138 Dina
            May 1, 2010 at 6:21 pm

            Yes, I think so too. Victor was not at all surprised that Sookie came, but was very surprised by the knife. So he expected her to show up and comply- as Eric is not supposed to defy him. Eric is sticking out his neck for Sookie big time.

  18. 139 Mia
    April 29, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Concerning Bill, I noticed at the end of Ch 10, he’s out lurking in Sookie’s woods again since Sookie sees him watching Eric fly away. Why is he out there? Eric tells Sookie earlier that he made Bill go home.

    Sookie’s response is bizarre. She’s angry at virtually everyone in like the first 9 chapters of this book, but she doesn’t get angry at Bill for spying on her. Instead she somehow “knows” he’s not really spying; he is watching over her.

    Then in the next paragraph she says she can’t really do anything about Bill anyway; she certainly can’t apologize for being with another man. Why would she think she has to apologize to Bill for being with Eric? And she’s certainly told Bill off before for spying like when he showed up at her house when Charles was staying with her. I think “stalker” needs to pop up on the Word-of-the-Day calendar really soon.

    As to Bill being a rat or working with FDC/Victor, I’ve said it before, but I would like to see Bill take some action. He’s always floating on Sookie’s periphery with no real purpose but to pop up and remind us of his existence.

  19. 140 lala
    April 29, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    All great Bill points.
    Prior to discussion on this site, I never stopped to consider Bill as the rat. But it makes perfect sense. And if CH can’t kill him off, then we’ll write him off.

    The only thing I don’t get (ok, there are others, but) is why hasn’t Eric spoken to Sookie about what happened in the trunk. He was the one who found them in there, and he made a funny comment like “what are you two up to?”, or something. Has it come up and I missed it?

    • 141 Dee
      April 29, 2010 at 7:07 pm

      No, Eric, never mentioned it. Alcide is the one who brings it up in DAAD I think. He even is the one to say it was rape which by Sookies response she is surprised at first and then she thinks about it.

      • 142 Robin
        April 29, 2010 at 8:33 pm

        I think Eric probably knows that Bill raped her, and he will never bring it up to Sookie because it is probably a sensitive subject for him because his maker raped him repeatedly after he was turned. He probably does not want to remind her of the incident and figures it would only upset her if he did mention it.

  20. 143 Robin
    April 29, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    I believe CH has said that the knife was in the robe that Sookie used to cover up Eric before they broke out the windows of the hotel room in Rhodes.

    I think Eric probably knows that Bill raped Sookie, and he will probably not mention the rape to her because he was repeatedly raped by his maker after he was turned. I am sure he would not want to remind her of the incident or let her know that he does realize what happened.

    • 144 Angie
      April 30, 2010 at 1:35 am

      I believe CH has said that the knife was in the robe that Sookie used to cover up Eric before they broke out the windows of the hotel room in Rhodes.

      Dude, I never even thought to question how the knife survived the bombing. See, this is why I will never be Sherlock Holmes’ apprentice. 🙂

  21. 145 lala
    April 29, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Thanks for the clarification Dee and Robin.

  22. 146 EricObsessed
    April 29, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    New topic, sorta… has anyone noticed Sookie’s softening attitude toward Stupid Bill? Maybe it’s my perception? Do you think this is a set-up from CH for his final betrayal?

  23. 147 lala
    April 30, 2010 at 11:34 am

    EricObsessed: My first inclination was that Sookie softened toward Bill because he was ill, and that she was “putting it to bed”. Maturing, forgiving Bill, resolving her feelings for him, because she no longer had feelings of passionate hatred toward him. She was “over it”. And the last step in resolution is to forgive. She looks upon her memories with fondness, etc.
    I’ve been wrong with every one of my predictions with where CH is taking this tale (whether of not Bill was the rat, for example), so I try not to go any further than a psychological explanation.

  24. 148 KittyKat
    April 30, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    The whole “protection” angle is a bit incoherent. Sookie did call Eric to ask him for protection, and asked as someone Felipe was indebted to. Eric even said he’d present the petition to Victor Madden, who was currently at the bar. So Victor would have to have definitely have known about the protection, since he had been petitioned for it once already.

    I don’t know what Felipe’s intentions are, but Victor? Definitely the one that’s mostly manipulating the situation. May have Felipe’s backing…or not. Honestly, with VM being his representative, who knows how much info wasn’t reaching FDC.

    Of course there’s also the possibility that the subsequent E/S marriage irritated FDC and/or VM and either of them decided to make a show of force to make sure Eric knew that no matter what stunts Eric pulled, him/them would still the one calling the shots, that his “marriage” would only be as binding as he (the exact person is unclear) would allow it to be so.

    As such, I still say that his maker coming to town could be another show of force to show Eric how little control he has over the situation and Sookie’s welfare, married or not, bonded or not.


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