29
Apr
10

Just Sayin’

Season 1, Episode 2: First Taste

Sookie is bashed by the Rattray’s while Sam lurks around the parking lot. Bill feeds Sookie his blood.

Season 2, Episode 11: Frenzy

Eric: Why should I help you? Shifter.
Sam: Because I need your help. We need it. And hopefully some day I might be able to give you something you need.

S: So can you help us or not?
E: I do know someone who might be able to offer something useful…might.
[And Eric “might” help you Sam. If you give him something useful in return.]

S: You have my cellphone number. [He does? Since when?]
E: I’ll let you know if I learn anything of use to you.

Bill: That was really quite desperate of you. Trickin’ her into drinking your blood, so she became attracted to you.
E: Unlike you, who fed her your blood the very night you met.
B: How do you know that?

E: So you’re not denying it?
B: AH WUZ SAVIN’ HER LAHF.
E: Isn’t that convenient?

Shifty shifter is SHIFTY.

Just sayin’.

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208 Responses to “Just Sayin’”


  1. April 29, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    I had always though some of the things said by Sam were dodgy. There is just so much we don’t know about him… 🙂 i cant wait to see what everyone comes up with.

    …FIRST!!!!!

  2. 2 Lkc
    April 29, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Very interesting. So I wonder just how shifty does AB view Sam’s character from the books?

  3. 3 Herm_73
    April 29, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    E: So you’re not denying it?
    B: AH WUZ SAVIN’ HER LAHF.
    E: Isn’t that convenient?

    I LOVE your Bill speak!

  4. 5 lala
    April 29, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    I vaguely recall a scene in the book series where eric is pleased to have sam owe him a favor when sam is in need of a bartender or bouncer, and charles twining is brought in. Eric does not check him out too carefully, remember?

    • 6 VampirePamsGirl
      April 30, 2010 at 12:04 am

      Yeah, and you know I can’t recall but I don’t think that Eric has ever called in on that favor from Sam yet either. I definitely remember the scene you are talking about though. Sam got shot in the leg and Sookie went to ask Eric for the favor for Sam cause Eric commented that Sam was smart (or not) to send Sookie cause he must have known that Eric wouldn’t deny her. Eric told Charles that he was to take orders from Sookie. Of course though, Charles actually ended up being behind the whole scheme b/c he’d been paid to take away the most important thing to Eric..Sookie. I always really hated that Charles ended up being a ‘bad guy’ and had to be staked. I liked that pirate, lol.

      • April 30, 2010 at 12:11 am

        I liked Charles too. That sucked, how he turned out to be such a traitor. *sniff*.

        Always felt that the Viking was really off his game on that whole thing. He must have been quite preoccupied LOL.

  5. 8 Millarca
    April 29, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Gawd I love Eric! Yes, you pose thought-provoking questions, and somewhere on the outskirts of my consciousness I am momentarily distracted by thoughts of the circumstances in which Eric and Sam might have exchanged phone numbers, but all I see and care about is the pretty, sexy, flying, Viking…..with his pretty BLOND hair! Bugger the rest of them. Yes, ah iz shallow!

  6. 9 Janofarc
    April 29, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    OMG!!!! That’s why Eric asks Sam to give him Sookie! He knows Sam stood back and watched while Sookie was beaten badly enough that she accepted Bill’s blood. Is Sam on SA’s payroll but not allowed to call or see the queen so he doesn’t give away the link? Dodgy stuff for our favourite collie …

    • 10 Millarca
      April 29, 2010 at 12:56 pm

      *brain finally moves into higher function mode and switches into gear* So that was really Sam? *shock* Or was it the dog Sam copied? Would Sam have stood back and watched that happening? *yikes!* That’s significant if that’s what happened.

      • 11 sunnynala
        April 29, 2010 at 12:57 pm

        Well, when Mack pulled the gun on him he backed off. A real dog doesn’t know from guns and would have attacked anyway. This also justifies why he didn’t do anything.

        • April 29, 2010 at 12:59 pm

          Could it to be that Sam, as Jan mentioned, be on QSA payroll, and couldn’t have made a move to stop the attack. i still believe that Bill was deliberately late, and knew what the Rats were going to do

          • 13 sunnynala
            April 29, 2010 at 1:02 pm

            I imagine if Sam were on QSA’s payroll he would have gone to her himself for help with the maenad.

            • 14 Janofarc
              April 29, 2010 at 1:03 pm

              Not if he was instructed to stay deep undercover ….

              • 15 sunnynala
                April 29, 2010 at 1:10 pm

                Bill is deep undercover and went waltzing right up to the palace. Help with a ‘supe problem’ in her territory is a perfectly good cover for going to see her. Sam would have gone to her just to avoid being beholden to Eric.

                • 16 Janofarc
                  April 29, 2010 at 1:36 pm

                  As a supe Sam would also be aware of vampire heirarchy, going to the queen when you have a sherriff nearby would just make it even more obvious to Eric that SA is up to no good in his area. Not one but TWO supes go over his head directly to her?

                  Bill going straight to SA is suspicious enough but Sam doing it too would just put even more of a spotlight on the Queen and her interest in a backwater town.

                  Maybe Sam was instructed by SA to go to Eric? It gave Eric reassurance that he was an authority in the area until he saw Bill leaving the palace as he was arriving ….

                  • 17 MASpencer
                    April 29, 2010 at 1:45 pm

                    If Sam had been sent by SA, I don’t think he would have been swapping spit with Sookie or brawling with Bill in the first season. I could be wrong, but I’m fairly sure that if Eric and Sam are acquainted, it isn’t through the Queen.

                    However, I think both Sam and Eric have their suspicions about Bill… and would be delighted to have those suspicions confirmed and exposed.

                    • 18 sunnynala
                      April 29, 2010 at 1:59 pm

                      Yeah, I just can’t see it. There has been no foreshadowing of a Sam/SA connection that I am aware of, no little clues or hints. When the kids asked him didn’t he know another vampire he could go to for help he seemed to have a genuine light bulb moment when he thought of Eric. If he were working for the queen wouldn’t she be the first vamp he thought of? And he wouldn’t need to kids to remind him.

                      Sam’s suspicions of Bill is one of the main reason’s I don’t believe the maenad thing went down as shown. How could Sam trust Bill with his life, knowing as he does Bill’s willingness to kill for Sookie? He knows Bill killed the Ratt’s. (and why didn’t he rat him out for that is a big question)

                    • April 30, 2010 at 2:23 am

                      Yep MAS, pretty much all of this. I don’t think it has anything to do with QSA.

                      Sam has shown already that he’s willing to team up with Bill for Sookie’s sake, even though he hates him.

                      What would be so odd about him doing the same thing with Eric?

                      What I can’t decide is whether Eric has something over Sam – or if this is more like a business arrangement. You scratch my back, and I’ll scratch yours kind of thing. I strongly feel this same connection – whatever it is – exists in the books as well but I can’t work out the basis of it there either. Bloody frustrating, but we are definitely on the edges of something.

                • 20 Ericrocks
                  April 29, 2010 at 1:41 pm

                  What if Sam is connected to the Fae world somehow, and he was there to watch Sook for Niall, or whomever AB chooses to be the head Fae? It would explain how he knows so much. It has been proposed before on this very blog.

                  • 21 Janofarc
                    April 29, 2010 at 1:58 pm

                    If he was sent by the Fae he would have intervened when Sookie was being fed vampire blood, going by what we’re told about the vamp/fairy relationship in the books anyway.

                    Just had a thought. Sam didn’t take his sexual attraction to Sookie to the next level until it was evident that Bill couldn’t control her totally. Maybe Bill’s blood didn’t do what it was supposed to and as well as being the advance scout Sam is also the back-up plan? If Eric think’s Sam is on his side then he’ll pay less attention to him?

                    Maybe I’m just havering …

          • 22 sunnynala
            April 29, 2010 at 1:07 pm

            Don’t get me wrong though, Sam is definitely shady. When Bud and Andy were questioning him about the fire at the nest he said something like “I wouldn’t care if you never found the ones who did it” or something along those lines. He couldn’t have cared less about the dead vamps and a human.

            Hmm, maybe this is why Eric says he’s known to not be friendly towards those of his kind? This might be corroboration of a connection between Eric and Bud because him and Andy were the only ones who heard him say this.

            • April 29, 2010 at 1:09 pm

              Now that would be awesome. I really like the idea that the two Sheriff would know of each other in the official compasity

              • 24 sunnynala
                April 29, 2010 at 1:13 pm

                Yes, it’s one of my ‘pet’ theories, lol, in that I HOPE there is a connection between the two but I don’t have any solid proof yet. I do know Bud is a minor alter ego of Eric’s (very old, sheriff, blonde, wise and calm, etc)

                • April 29, 2010 at 9:58 pm

                  There is even one scene where Bud has a couple long blond locks fall over his forehead VERY similar to Eric’s windblown hair when he turns up at the palace.

                  Bud and Andy are intriguing me to no end with the parallels to Eric and Bill, the possibility of cooperation between the two sheriffs, and the allusions to Andy Griffith and Barney Fife.

        • 27 Liz
          April 29, 2010 at 3:25 pm

          not really, he could have ran into the bushes and came back out a bear, or lion, an elephant would have probably got them moving along

    • 28 MASpencer
      April 29, 2010 at 1:39 pm

      I really don’t think Sam has a connection to QSA. But I do think he’s more knowledgeable about the supe community than he’s let on so far. For example, when Bill gave Sookie his blood, I think Sam knew EXACTLY what would happen… and it might be one of the reasons he remained so suspicious of Bill, even after that night.

      I mean, Bill saved Sookeh’s lahf. That SHOULD have put him in Sam’s good graces– but it most definitely DIDN’T.

      Anyway, this kind of sheds a new light on the conversation Bill and Sam had on the porch post-Maenad slaying. I think it’s possible that Sam may have been urging Bill to come clean… as opposed to just making unintentionally ironic statements about keeping secrets.

      • 29 Serena
        April 29, 2010 at 10:06 pm

        Well, we will find out if he knew what would happen when Sam starts to have sexy dreams about Bill and his reaction is either “eww, Beehl, eww.” or “eww Beehll, WTF was that!?!?”.. lol.

      • April 30, 2010 at 2:26 am

        Very good point about urging Bill to come clean in the finale. The lies of omission are certainly piling up Bill…a bit like the bodies.

  7. 31 sunnynala
    April 29, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Yup. It’s the only thing that makes sense. “I’ll help you with the maenad in exchange for information”

    I have no clue yet how they met originally, but Eric and Sam have obviously had dealings in the past.

    • 32 sunnynala
      April 29, 2010 at 1:00 pm

      But, obviously, Eric could have contacted Sam when his ‘curiosity’ about Sookie got the best of him, possibly sometime after the Longshadow incident when Eric mentioned an ‘edict’ to Bill.

    • 33 Ashley
      April 30, 2010 at 3:12 am

      Yeah i thought that was strange. Because on the show before Sam went to Eric, we were not shown that Sam knew Eric. I know he knew of Fangtasia because he tried to stop Sookie from going, but we were given no indication he knew Eric. But he must have known him at least a little to show up at his bar like that. I wonder how? Interesting.

  8. 34 MASpencer
    April 29, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Yes, I think this could be right.

    Eric and Pam joined Bill at Merlotte’s the night they went before the Magister, and I didn’t get the impression that they had been there before. (Eric joked about “checking out the competition” and they both seemed unimpressed when they saw the place… I think it really was their first time there.) That’s why I theorized that maybe Eric took it upon himself to contact Sam sometime after that night, to get any information he could that might help him uncover Bill’s ulterior motives for showing up in Bon Temps– and more specifically, any motives that might be behind his attachment to Sookie.

    There could be more to their history, though… it’s kind of impossible to say at this point.

    • 35 MASpencer
      April 29, 2010 at 1:30 pm

      Oh and it’s also odd that Eric knew that Sam is a shifter. How? Did he sense it? Or is this a matter of prior knowledge?

      At the point at which this conversation happened, the only people who knew about Sam’s nature were Sookie, Bill, Daphne, and Maryann. And I don’t think Eric would have found out about it from any of them.

      But maybe Eric picked up on it that first night at Merlotte’s. And called Sam under the pretense of one supe business owner reaching out to another… you know, in case there’s every anything Sam might NEED. *wink wink*

    • 36 VikingLover
      April 29, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      [Eric and Pam joined Bill at Merlotte’s the night they went before the Magister, and I didn’t get the impression that they had been there before. (Eric joked about “checking out the competition” and they both seemed unimpressed when they saw the place… ]

      Yeah, I don’t think either Eric or Pam had been there before but there really would never have been a need to. TB Sam seems to be much like Book Sam in that he wants nothing to do with Supe politics (or so we think).

    • April 29, 2010 at 10:19 pm

      After Bill and the gang left Merlotte’s to go to the tribunal, Sam would have gotten the whole story from the patrons and Sookie. Could he have taken it upon himself to go to Eric after Bill returned and punched him? I like the idea that Sam could distinguish between the threatening and non-threatening vamps when the two groups visited Merlotte’s. I like even more the idea that he might be allying himself with Eric because of his distrust of Bill.

      • 38 MASpencer
        April 30, 2010 at 1:16 pm

        I think that’s totally possible, too. After that incident with Bill, Sam says something along the lines of “Now don’t you see what he REALLY is?” to Sookie. It makes sense that he might call up Eric to try to get to the bottom of it once and for all– maybe hoping that Eric might have some information that he could use to dissuade Sookie from staying with Bill.

        Of course, he wouldn’t have had too much success. Because neither of them know the real reason why Bill showed up in Bon Temps… yet.

  9. 39 kelly1981
    April 29, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    i know this sounds odd, but i got the audiobook for dead until dark an read my book along with it. i felt i was missing something cos i read way too fast.

    pg 30, fight scene, rattrays beating on sookie.
    ‘i heard the growl again, closer, right behind me. and from another direction i heard a sort of snarl’

    ‘sometime later there was silence. behind me the dog whined. a cold nose poked my ear, and a warm tongue licked it’

    how the hell i missed this on the first read through i’ll never fathom, but it took me 8 or so hours to finish the book instead of 3, so i guess i’m taking it in. the narrator has a funny voice so i’m constantly in stitches, especially when she does eric…. lmao

    • 40 KittyKat
      April 29, 2010 at 1:57 pm

      I also heard the audiobook version, an awesome way to get my SVM fill on my way to work and still pay attention to the train stops. I’m also extremely lazy. 😀

      I’d have to agree, her ‘Eric’ voice is funny, how she pronounces every syllable, and square sounds for his accent. Also liked ‘FDC’ one.

    • 41 holby
      April 29, 2010 at 2:11 pm

      I have also listened to all the audiobooks because I can truly multi-task that way. You are right. Sam is definitely there at the end of the Rattray attack. Just before Bill takes Sookie to the woods, she hears two people talking (Sam and Bill) and Sam cleans up the site of the attack before she and Bill return from the woods.

      Now go back and watch the first episodes of Season 1. In every early scene with the dog, Bill gives it sideways glances. When he suggests that the dog is watching out for Sookie, she makes some remark about how he’s just friendly and likes her to which Bill responds “Indeed.” (When they go for the walk after meeting Gran, Tara and Jason. It is obvious that Bill knows what Sam is. If Bill knows, Eric must.

      I like the theory stated above that Sam accepted that Bill had to give Sookie blood, but that it fueled his suspicion of their relationship. That is probably why he was so aggressive about the scarf and the fang marks. He knows that, even though she can’t be glamoured, Bill has taken advantage of Sookie via the blood exchange. I wonder if he knows that Bill has not been forthcoming about the heightened feeling of attraction?

      (and only slightly OT Rant: how come Sookie doesn’t immediately draw the parallel when Bill tells her that she may begin to feel attracted to Eric since he tricked her into ingesting his blood? And if I have to watch APs eyebrow seizures anymore I may have to gouge out one of my eyes! (I will keep the other for the Viking.))

      • 42 sunnynala
        April 29, 2010 at 2:20 pm

        I wonder if he knows that Bill has not been forthcoming about the heightened feeling of attraction?

        Renee pointed out that his explanation to Sookie about the heightened libido effects of the blood was given to her outdoors, almost certainly withing Sam’s doggy earshot. This might have satisfied Sam without Bill having to tell Sookie the whole truth.

      • 43 MASpencer
        April 29, 2010 at 2:30 pm

        Oh Holby, your slightly OT rant is only TOO true…

      • 44 Skarlove
        April 29, 2010 at 3:13 pm

        (Holby wrote…..And if I have to watch APs eyebrow seizures anymore I may have to gouge out one of my eyes!)

        Hilarious! So true. She looks like she’s got two skinny, wiggling caterpillars jumping up and down on her forehead. And that scene drives me crazy for the same reason. Why the hell doesn’t she ever question anything Bill tells her?

        Sorry for jumping on this bit of OT-ness, but I’ll get to Sam now. I also agree with you that he’s really upset about Bill giving/taking her blood. I’m re-watching S1 now, and Sam snoops in her stuff after she admits to taking vitamins, then throws her B-12s all across the floor at Merlotte’s. At the time I took it just as over-the-top jealousy, but maybe he’s feeling guilty about his involvement in the whole set-up.

        • 45 MASpencer
          April 29, 2010 at 3:22 pm

          Or frustrated that he couldn’t do more to stop it… and maybe even feeling guilty about letting Sookie go out to save Bill from the Rattrays in the first place, when he could have appeased her by handling the situation himself.

          That may not have prevented their relationship… but it would have prevented her from being attacked, and receiving Bill’s blood because of it.

          • 46 sunnynala
            April 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm

            Hmm, yeah exactly. WHY IN HELL didn’t he shift back to human form and go get his gun?

            • 47 MASpencer
              April 29, 2010 at 3:40 pm

              It would’ve been too late in either situation. Sookie went after the Rattrays in the first place because Sam didn’t want to get involved– I doubt he expected her to do that. (Who would? It was definitely VERY ballsy.)

              And by the time he found her the second time, she was already beaten within an inch of her life. At that point, he NEEDED Bill’s help. And the wheels were set in motion…

              Point is, if he had bothered to defend Bill in the first place, as Sookie pleaded with him to do, none of this would have happened. His obvious antipathy toward vampires, as illustrated by that situation, may partially explain why Eric said what he did. (I imagine Eric could have learned about the whole scenario by simply asking Sam how Bill and Sookie met– that would be the natural place to start your snooping.)

              All of this just brings us back around to the question of whether or not the situation with the Rattrays was orchestrated by Bill and Sophie-Anne. This theory just keeps coming back around… and for good reason, I think. Sam’s strong reaction to Bill and Sookie’s relationship may be attributable to the fact that he suspects HE’S been duped, too.

              • 48 sunnynala
                April 29, 2010 at 3:56 pm

                I’ll have a post up soon on the whole Rattray situation. I’ve been trying to write it for a week, but it’s actually one of the more complicated conspiracies on TB yet.

                • 49 KittyKat
                  April 29, 2010 at 4:08 pm

                  I agree, and it’s especially difficult because I think there’s a lot that Sookie’s POV was unable to tell us. I do wonder though… would Bill set himself up in the off-chance she’d help? Seems rather risky to me. But then again, that kind of became a happy coincidence when Sookie did interfere. Wouldn’t be too hard for Bill to lurk and know the Rats were around waiting for her, and conveniently make it so she’d be forced to accept his blood, or die by arriving too late to be of assistance in fending them off before her injuries. You’d think that he’d have gotten there too late or before her injuries but noooooooo. Way too convenient. She was severely injured, past the point she’d be able to refuse his blood, but not injured enough to be already expiring. Then there’s also the possibility of him lying to her about the severity of her injuries…

                  Sam’s participation in any of this? I dunno, I don’t trust Sam and his (so far) hidden contacts and sources of information.

                  • 50 sunnynala
                    April 29, 2010 at 4:19 pm

                    I don’t think Bill originally intended for her to get injured so she had to take his blood. I think the intention was for her to interrupt the draining and then Bill would offer her the blood, which he did. but she refused and it was only then that Plan B had to be put into play.

                    • 51 KittyKat
                      April 29, 2010 at 4:25 pm

                      Also possible, indeed. It’s just that it would depend too much on stuff Beeeehl would be unable to control, like her actually seeing him leave with them, or hearing the Rats’ thoughts, or actually being able to do anything about it (the actual Bill rescue), way more difficult to accomplish. But then again, why would a vampire go out anywhere with those 2 to begin with? No normal person would, so why did he?

                      Yea….shifty.

                    • 52 VikingLover
                      April 29, 2010 at 6:15 pm

                      [But then again, why would a vampire go out anywhere with those 2 to begin with? No normal person would, so why did he?]

                      Because he was going to “party” with them – he wanted sex and blood. Mr. Bill definitely was NOT mainstreaming when he walked into Merlotte’s that night.

                    • 53 Meta
                      April 30, 2010 at 10:07 pm

                      If Bill is sent there to check on her “gift” then I am guessing he saw from her reaction that something was no good when she rushed to get them more beer. Maybe with all the info from Hadley, he could tell she heard something awful and risked her going after him to save him….. I might be getting books and TB confused though……

                    • 54 Meta
                      April 30, 2010 at 10:09 pm

                      And boy am I bummed! S2 E11 is the only one I haven’t seen and Eric is so cute in these shots!

                  • 55 Liz
                    April 30, 2010 at 1:58 am

                    could Bill not have glamored them, and gave them instructions

                  • 56 PrettyVikingChains
                    April 30, 2010 at 3:09 pm

                    My theory is that neither Bill nor SA actually set up the incident with the Rattrays, but that SA had ordered him to give her blood. I believe that Bill wasn’t late on the night of the attack, or if so only a few minutes & he saw Sookie getting beat up. Instead of stepping in to help her early on (when his blood wouldn’t be needed), he waited until it was obvious that she would have no other choice but to accept it. I think he just made the most of the opportunity. Also I just can’t see the Rattrays as people that SA would go around making deals with.

                    • 57 Janofarc
                      April 30, 2010 at 4:00 pm

                      So unlike Eric – who used HIMSELF being injured to trick Sookie into taking his blood – Bill took the opportunity of Sookie being seriously injured so he could give her his blood. More big differences between the two.

                    • 58 sunnynala
                      April 30, 2010 at 4:18 pm

                      My theory is that neither Bill nor SA actually set up the incident with the Rattrays, but that SA had ordered him to give her blood.

                      PrettyVikingChains, I agree with you here. I think she ordered him to form a bond with Sookie and then let him go about it as he saw fit. She couldn’t tell him exactly how to achieve this goal anyway becuase circumstances would be fluid and Bill would have to think on his feet.

                      I do however believe I have found a way to link Bill and the Ratts BEFORE they met up at Merlotte’s that first time.

                      So unlike Eric – who used HIMSELF being injured to trick Sookie into taking his blood – Bill took the opportunity of Sookie being seriously injured so he could give her his blood. More big differences between the two.

                      So true, Jan. This is a good example of how subtle TB is and how easy it is for viewers to miss important subtext if they’re not paying attention. Comparing and contrasting Bill and Eric in detail both big and small one comes to the inescapable conclusion that Eric is a man of integrity, loyalty, courage, and love. Bill..is not.

                    • 59 sunnynala
                      April 30, 2010 at 4:29 pm

                      And just to expand on the thought but just suppose Eric really DID trick Sookie into taking his blood. (and you all know I don’t believe the bullet sucking scene anyway)How can the little shit complain when he just SAVED HER LIFE? Literally, not figuratively as he will do eventually. HE RISKED HIS OWN LIFE to save hers. HE COULD HAVE DIED!! What damn difference does it make that THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE IN LOUISIANA, who is on your side Sookie, can now track and protect you????

                      Sorry to shout but I’m really speaking to the attitudes of the BB’s, and what I am very afraid may be Sookie’s attitude as well when next we see her. She may have been fine with Eric after the scene with Godric but now she may be wearing an enchanted ring which is ‘compelling’ her to not only to marry Bill, but to view his enemy Eric as her enemy as well.

                      I am really scared she IS shooting Eric in that teaser,(if he was there for the maenad ritual then he would have received an invite then) and I am afraid Eric is holding her up against that brick wall because she is being a little beeyotch to him.

                    • 60 VikingLover
                      April 30, 2010 at 6:05 pm

                      {I am really scared she IS shooting Eric in that teaser,}

                      No Hon, don’t worry because this is definitely not the case. He’s jumping into the bullet not away from it.

                • 61 Barbara E
                  April 29, 2010 at 5:58 pm

                  The biggest thing to add to your upcoming post is who was in control of the chain around the male Rattray’s throat??? Was this the actual first instance of Sookie’s fae powers and no one realized or was it Claudine/Niall ????

                  • 62 VikingLover
                    April 29, 2010 at 6:17 pm

                    I think it was a little bit of both. Claudine was in the pilot episode (she was watching from the woods) but was then cut out later.

              • 63 Skarlove
                April 29, 2010 at 4:06 pm

                If the situation were to have been a set up by Bill and QSA (and it just has to have been!), then how could Bill have been so sure that two drainers would even walk into the bar that night?

                Since we know QSA is a V dealer, perhaps she had heard of the Rattrays before. They weren’t long-term BT residents, I don’t think. Perhaps they came down from Nola after Katrina, and had been getting their fix from one of QSA’s minions there? Then someone tipped them off that they were going to have a nice juicy vampire walk right into their clutches at Merlotte’s?

                Back to Sam, I know we haven’t met Cataliades yet. But maybe Sam has. He’s always an inter-supe arbiter of sorts. Out there, I know. But just a thought.

                • 64 sunnynala
                  April 29, 2010 at 4:15 pm

                  I think it’s entirely possible the Ratts came up there to BT from NOLA after Katrina.

                • 65 VampirePamsGirl
                  April 30, 2010 at 1:17 am

                  I don’t know if the Rats coming to BT after Katrina fits in canon with the books or not though…I’m thinking that Katrina happened during the books cause Area 5 had an influx of vampires from Nola after that. Not to say that that that has anything to do with the show, which I seriously need to re-watch so I can remember this stuff, lol.

                  • April 30, 2010 at 1:26 am

                    I think Katrina happened around book 5?

                    • 67 VampirePamsGirl
                      April 30, 2010 at 1:54 am

                      Just checked my books. It happened between books 6 and 7. In the beginning of “All Together Dead” there is a paragraph that says “Area Five was most of northwestern Louisiana, which until a month ago had been the economically weaker half of the state. Since Hurricane Katrina, the balance of power in Louisiana had shifted dramatically, especially the vampire community.”

                    • 68 Ericrocks
                      April 30, 2010 at 2:42 am

                      I am watching Season 1 on DVD right now, and at the beginning it says that the story takes places after Katrina, so TB is different from the books in that aspect.

              • 70 VikingLover
                April 29, 2010 at 5:38 pm

                I honestly doubt that it was orchestrated by Sophie Ann. Sookie would have picked something up from their thoughts.

      • 71 Caitlin
        April 29, 2010 at 6:09 pm

        I also thought Sam was there for the beginning of the Rattray attack, but I thought in the book he did try to bite them or get them off Sookie, but I could be wrong it has been awhile since I read the first book. I never questioned Sam’s allegiance until I started reading about possible “rat theories” for the next book which have been posted (which I love by the way!)

        All of these comments are really thought provoking about Sam, Bill and Eric. But it’s getting a bit confusing for me to compare the book to the show, since the chracters in the show have been protrayed so differently. For example, in the show Eric didn’t even know what the maenad was, and in the books the 1,000 year old viking vampire has seen everything in the supe world and knows how to deal with the maenad. Also, the nature of blood relationships are simplified in the tv show, they don’t distinguish between blood tie and blood bond, we all know how the show is different so I won’t go on!

        I love reading about these possible character twists, I can’t believe I didn’t think of these the first time I read the books!

        • 72 sunnynala
          April 29, 2010 at 6:27 pm

          Oooh oooh, I just thought of something! Which epi is it entitled “I Smell a Rat”–9? EVERYBODY in the fandom refers to them as the “Ratts”.

          • 73 sunnynala
            April 29, 2010 at 6:28 pm

            And just to say, it would be HORRIBLE if Sookie found out Bill allowed the Rattrays to attack her nearly to death just so he could get his blood in her!

            • 74 VampirePamsGirl
              April 30, 2010 at 1:22 am

              Oh Sunny I heart you! That would be horribly wonderful, lol, making Bill even more of an ass than we already know he is.

          • 75 MASpencer
            April 29, 2010 at 7:14 pm

            If memory serves, that’s episode 3.10… and among other potential meanings, I think that if Bill’s association with the Queen is going to come out at all this season, things will fall into place during this episode. Hence the name.

            • 76 sunnynala
              April 29, 2010 at 7:25 pm

              What better way for her to find out about Bill’s association with the queen? Revelation of what happened with him and the Ratts would lead right back to her. We know Eric already suspects something, and he’s not just thinking it was a happy coincidence. “Wasn’t that conveeenient?” was a response to Bill saying he fed her his blood to save her life. Eric knows now, or strongly suspects, that Bill is willing to put Sookie’s life in danger in order to control her. (he put her life in danger with Rene as well)Eric is bound to come up with something this season to pry her away from Bill. Truly for her own good.

              • 77 Dee
                April 29, 2010 at 7:33 pm

                I agree that there will be more things revealed and not just that he was sent by QSA. In the books he left to be with Lorena, but since that didn’t happen on the show I think AB will throw something else in. Too many people might still stick up for him and say “ohhh but he did fall in love with her” and they’ll justify his actions and something else has to be thrown in there.

                I hope they show us how Eric knew that Bill gave her his own blood when they met.

                • 78 sunnynala
                  April 29, 2010 at 7:37 pm

                  That is the sort of thing I’m hoping to see in the rest of the minisodes. I know the first one is probably giving Eric an alibi in Bill’s kidnapping but this is not made clear in the scene. Some solid information would be nice!

                  • 79 Dee
                    April 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm

                    I know I’m hoping for the same, the minisodes would be a great time to do that. Just afraid with the million stories going on, they might not care to clarify everything.

                  • April 29, 2010 at 9:46 pm

                    If they have Eric doing auditions for Fangtasia dancer and then getting his grove on with Yvette while the MA shit went down i will be so fucking pissed. What is the point of having a sheriff in an area if they aren’t going to help control and get rid of sup problems, ESPECIALLY seeing as someone of interest (Sookie) is in the thick of it (Sookie also being thick).

                  • 81 Angie
                    April 30, 2010 at 1:15 am

                    I don’t want it to be in a minisode, I want it in an actual episode, so that everyone sees in and has to take it seriously as canon. 😉

                • 82 VikingLover
                  April 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm

                  I agree Dee. I think we’re going to learn a lot more about Bill’s character.

                  To be honest, it never made sense to me (in the books) that Bill left Sookie for Lorena if he was on a mission for the Queen. I don’t think he would have been able to abandon his mission like that and lived. I mean, wouldn’t he have feared retribution from her? I don’t think the Queen would have just let Bill walk away like that. I think it makes much more sense this way. I also like the fact that Lorena released him because now, if something does happen between them, he can’t blame it on the fact that she’s his Maker and he had no choice.

                  Honestly, I think no matter what Bill does there will always be those that cheer for him. They will always find an excuse for Billie’s behavior.

                  • 83 Dee
                    April 29, 2010 at 7:59 pm

                    I thought the exact same thing, thats why I said that I never believed, Bill, had no choice but to obey the Queen. He did leave to be with Lorena and wasn’t going to come back. He was walking away from the his assignment, wasn’t he worried about what would happen? and nothing ever happened.

                    I never thought of it that way, I was annoyed that he refused Lorena but thats a great way to look at it. Now the whole “she is my maker, I had no choice” excuse can’t be used.

                    I agree, some will make excuses for him no matter what AB throws at us. This is not twilight about a first love who always stay together. Sookie HAS to break up with Bill on the show, simply for the fact that she has to get in deeper in the supe world. She obviously wouldn’t be able to do so if she has Bill by her side constantly telling her not to get involved in these things. We also have to see Sookie do these things on her own not with a man by her side every moment.

                    • 84 Ashley
                      April 30, 2010 at 3:24 am

                      HaHaHa…you are so right…Twilight is one of the many things that is egging on the BLs, along with the fact the SM and AP are a real life couple. True Blood is NOTHING like Twilight, and some dont seem to understand this. True Blood is NOT a romance or love story, where its all about the initial couple’s fight to stay together. The fact that it has so many main characters and simultaneous storylines eliminates this possibility. Sookie and Bill is ovvverrr. Boring. Move on.

                  • 85 Janofarc
                    April 29, 2010 at 8:01 pm

                    In the books he hadn’t been released and isn’t it Sookieverse lore that no vampire can intervene with a maker/child relationship?

                    lorena would have been the one to face retribution if she’d lived as usual Bill is absolved of any responsibility, even though he could have credited Sookie with a bit more intelligence and explained how he couldn’t ignore his makers call before he buggered off.

                    Maybe AB will be removing all of Bill’s little loopholes he’s used? I’m a vampire I have to be nasty (Eddie anyone?). I had a project for the queen, I had to ignore you for weeks. She was my maker I had to cheat on you. I was aware enough to see you stake Lorena and remember it but was so out of my mind I had to drain and rape you…. yadda yadda …

                    • 86 VikingLover
                      April 29, 2010 at 8:31 pm

                      Janofarc, you make some great points. In my opinion, TB Bill is far more sinister than Book Bill. The worst sin of all so far was the proposal. He proposed to Sookie without telling her the truth of why he’s in Bon Temp and without telling her that she’s in danger from the Queen. Can you imagine if Book Bill had done this and then we found out about the Queen later?? We all would have been even more outraged!

                      TB Sam was right to be suspicious of Bill from Day 1. I wonder if he really was the one that told Eric about Bill giving him her blood on the first night. The more I think about this, the more plausible it seems. But why would Sam offer up this info to Eric? He hates vampires so I don’t see why he would trust Eric over Bill. This is another reason why I think Sam knew of Eric and who he was. If Sam knew Eric was Sheriff he would have been more willing to share this information with him.

                  • 87 LLE
                    April 29, 2010 at 9:45 pm

                    The child has to follow order from the maker and they have the most power over them. The Queen knows that Bill has to do what his maker wants to do in the books. AB has different on the show.

                    On the show Bill get kidnapped.

              • 88 VikingLover
                April 29, 2010 at 7:45 pm

                [“Wasn’t that conveeenient?” was a response to Bill saying he fed her his blood to save her life.]

                Yeah because Bill could have stopped it before it reached this point and there would have been no need to give her his blood. Instead he let her get beaten up within an inch of her life which made it necessary to give her his blood.

                I mean, it could be that Bill made an agreement with the Rattray’s that night but it would have been a suicide mission and I don’t think the Ratts would have gone for that. I don’t think the Ratts would have believed that Bill was just going to let them kill her. She was hurt very, very badly – they really planned on killing her that night.

                I agree that Eric is on to Bill. He knows that Bill tipped the scales with Sookie by getting his blood into her and I’m sure he knows now that QSA is definitely involved.

                • 89 LLE
                  April 29, 2010 at 9:40 pm

                  I don’t think he had any agreement with the Rattray’s but he seen them beat Sookie up and so he can get his blood into Sookie.

  10. 90 Barbara E
    April 29, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    It’s good to know that Alan REALLY read the books … to see that there was just something not quite right with Sam’s character and thus hint at that in the show also.

    • 91 kelly1981
      April 29, 2010 at 1:47 pm

      i hope so, i hope we’ve all just been side-swiped by the people who haven’t and we haven’t seen his cleverness through the paranoia

    • 92 KittyKat
      April 29, 2010 at 2:57 pm

      He may have read it but he sure looooves creative writing as well. I know he needed to create tension, but why fabricate so much and leave so many book scenes we all love out of it? Not sure I can forgive him the lack of Lycra Eric and car hood. And we’ll see if I won’t feel like throwing something this S3 (I fear no “snuggling” scene, no “interrupted makeout at Russell’s” and I wonder who will regravel her driveway (can do without the exact scene if I get the appropriate end result).

      And don’t get me started on S4, we all know what we want and I always fear we won’t get a version of it.

      • 93 KittyKat
        April 29, 2010 at 2:58 pm

        No clue how this ended up here, it related to ABall having read the books. Oh well.

      • 94 Angie
        April 30, 2010 at 1:23 am

        I wasn’t exactly anticipating seeing Eric in spandex because LOL, but whenever I explain to people why the book’s ending was so much better than the season two finale, I always have to mention Eric and Sookie making out on the hood of a car. They mostly agree that, yes, that would have been a way better ending. 🙂

        There are quite a few scenes from Club Dead that I am mourning in advance. The post-staking/blood exchange make-out, the gas station scene, etc. That way, if we actually get them, or a reasonable facsimile, I will be overjoyed. I always prepare for the worst and hope for the best. 🙂

      • 95 Serena
        April 30, 2010 at 1:30 am

        I think there may be hope for the driveway yet, in the episode post Manaed attack when Sookie is negotiating her fee for Dallas she does mention it needs to be redone. its almost a throwaway line, but still.

  11. April 29, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    You are like the best SVM/TB analyst ever! Thanks!

  12. 98 KittyKat
    April 29, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    In a completely off topic, it was funny taking a closer look at Fangtasia’s decoration, including the clearly viking shield on the wall. Not saying it means anything but it sure looks a bit odd, as it’s not vampire-related.

    • 99 Serena
      April 29, 2010 at 4:43 pm

      haha, i noticed that too! there is another smaller one on the side wall as well. i wonder if there are even more viking props around .lol.

  13. 100 VikingLover
    April 29, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    I don’t think Sam has anything to do with QSA either but I do think he has an association to the Supe community, just like in the books. I don’t think he knows that Bill is there under false pretenses but I do think he was suspicious of Bill from day 1. I think a part of it is that he simply does not trust or like vampires (because he knows a lot about them I’m sure!!) and another part could be intuition that Bill is no good. It’s especially interesting when Sam tells Bill in ep 12 “Killers don’t just quit killin’. You outta know that”.

    I’m glad you brought up the phone number thing SVB because that hit me last night as I was getting ready for bed. When I first saw that scene I just assumed that Sam had just given it to him that night but as I watched it again last night I realized that couldn’t have been the case. At no moment did we see Sam hand Eric his number. !!!!!

    This whole thing has made me reevalute the “Be True” poster and the cast pic. I think we’re going to learn a lot more about Sam and his true associations.

    Re the Rattrays: I honestly don’t think that Bill set up that initial meeting. I think it was just a coincidence because Bill knows that vampires are killed during drainings. You could tell the Rattrays planned on draining him dry. There was no way he could have foreseen that Sookie would come out to help him. I think he had planned to get Sookie to ingest his blood at some point (I’m sure it always a part of the plan in order to make it easier to seduce her) but I think that it was a “happy” coincidence when the Rats attacked her. I do think he was there though and watched her getting beat up and only intervened at the end when he knew she’d have no choice but to take his blood. If she had only had a few scratches, I’m sure she would have refused just because she simply would have been grossed out.

    • 101 Skarlove
      April 29, 2010 at 5:41 pm

      But then why did Bill get there late? He had a specific meeting time with Sookie the night the Rattrays attacked her, so unless he had a really good reason that we haven’t been made privy to yet……he let her get beaten up.

      • 102 sunnynala
        April 29, 2010 at 5:46 pm

        I think I can prove Bill had a deal with the Ratts.

        • 103 KC
          April 29, 2010 at 8:14 pm

          Will you share? Ms. Harris will only say about the book Rattray incident that Bill was delayed by a phone call.

          • 104 LLE
            April 29, 2010 at 9:02 pm

            Because it is going in Sookie input and lot of time Sookie can be wrong.

          • 105 sunnynala
            April 29, 2010 at 9:08 pm

            Well, I can’t analyze the show based on books I haven’t read. It’s my contention that AB and TB are taking a lot of things CH only implied in the books and is fleshing them out more fully, without the restrictions of a first person narrative. Sometimes he takes a decidedly different tack than CH does, as far as I can tell, and amps up the drama potential of the books several fold.

      • 106 VikingLover
        April 29, 2010 at 5:56 pm

        I don’t think he did get there late. I think he got there on time but saw the Rattray’s waiting for her and stood back to see what would happen.

      • 108 LLE
        April 29, 2010 at 9:05 pm

        I believe Bill did arrived and watch the Rats beat Sookie up so he can get his blood into her. Eric was right about being convenient.

    • 109 MASpencer
      April 29, 2010 at 5:54 pm

      [It’s especially interesting when Sam tells Bill in ep 12 “Killers don’t just quit killin’. You outta know that”.]

      Yes… it IS.

    • 112 Dee
      April 29, 2010 at 7:17 pm

      I agree that it was a happy coincidence. Sookie would’ve heard it from Denise’s mind, but instead we heard of her exact plans. I also do think it’s very possible he waited until she was so hurt that he would have to give her his blood.

      Regarding sam and eric exchanging numbers, they both own bars and im sure the numbers are listed so it would be very easy for them to contact eachother.

      • 113 Charlotte
        April 29, 2010 at 8:04 pm

        Dee – The bar numbers would be listed but Eric specifically says cell number. That would not be listed which means he had to have given it to Sam personally. And assuming that the first time Eric and Pam were in Merlotte’s was before they went to the Magister when/why would Eric do that?

    • April 29, 2010 at 10:03 pm

      I’m glad you brought up the phone number thing SVB because that hit me last night as I was getting ready for bed. When I first saw that scene I just assumed that Sam had just given it to him that night but as I watched it again last night I realized that couldn’t have been the case. At no moment did we see Sam hand Eric his number. !!!!!

      Nope. I watched this scene closely looking for an opportunity for Sam to give Eric his number.

      Eric says he will have to leave immediately to go to QSA’s. Sam says “Good, I’ll walk you out”.

      Sam heads for the door in front of Eric. Eric follows him, with the camera ahead of him looking back at him -which is when we get the smelly children exchange with Pam. Next shot is out in the car park, immediately following.

      If Sam gave Eric his number somewhere between the front door and the parking lot, he was fucking quick about it. Don’t think it happened. The implication is definitely that Eric had Sam’s cell number preceeding this meeting.

      • 116 sunnynala
        April 29, 2010 at 10:11 pm

        The implication is definitely that Eric had Sam’s cell number preceeding this meeting.

        Totally agreed. Intriguing.

      • 117 MollyS
        April 30, 2010 at 3:00 am

        What also has always bugged me about that scene is when Eric asks for Sam to give him Sookie, Sam replies, “I’m not here to give you tribute, Eric” in a rather snotty tone. If he had just met Eric and was in awe of his super-sheriff vampire status, you’d think he’d be more respectful either in tone or in calling him by a more formal name (Sheriff? Mr. Northman?). But instead he says it like he’s just talking to someone he knows, and Eric doesn’t seem bothered by the tone or otherwise react in an offended manner. Same with Sam–when Eric says “shifter” all snotty, Sam doesn’t get upset. Seems like further proof that they’ve had dealings of some sort in the past.

        • 118 Ashley
          April 30, 2010 at 3:30 am

          Yes Sam definitely knew Eric. Theres no question aqbout it. I cant believe i didnt notice that before.

        • April 30, 2010 at 3:34 am

          Yep, the way they speak to eachother definitely infers familiarity.

          You know the other interesting thing about the “Can you give me Sookie Stackhouse?” line? It is proof that Eric wanted something from Sam in return for his help. We know Sam couldn’t give Eric Sookie. So we are led to wonder what did he give him? Probably the story of how Bill and Sookie crossed paths – blood donation and all.

          We already suspect that Eric knows there is something up with Bill’s interest in Sookie – it only makes sense that he would be asking questions of someone to get to the bottom of it. And finding out how they met (as Sunny pointed out earlier) is the most logical place to start.

      • 121 MASpencer
        April 30, 2010 at 1:06 pm

        Such a good observation. I forgot that the scene ended with them leaving Fangtasia together. I guess I just assumed they exchanged numbers on cocktail napkins or whatever off-screen before they went out to the parking lot.

        But again, there’s a lot of implied familiarity in this scene that I just didn’t think much of. Maybe because I’m so wrapped up in the books, where Eric and Sam communicate fairly regularly.

        Anyway, I definitely should have paid more attention… but I was too busy bitching about it not making sense that such a big deal was made of Sam asking for help, when Eric was going to just abandon the mission. (Which still doesn’t really make sense to me, by the way. I know the Queen basically ordered him to stay out of it… but with his bonds to Sookie and Lafayette, and his deal with Sam, I’m still shocked that he didn’t do SOMETHING to help, even if it was off-screen. But maybe he did, we just don’t know about it yet.)

        • 122 Ericrocks
          April 30, 2010 at 10:58 pm

          AB has said that we will soon find out where Eric was and what he was doing during that whole manaed dabacle.

    • 123 Dee
      April 30, 2010 at 6:28 pm

      I don’t think Bill made a deal with them either. For one, Sookie, listened in to their thoughts and she heard their plans, if Bill was included in those plans then I think it would’ve crossed their minds. However, Bill realized bc of Sookie that they were up to something. Bill knows shes a telepath and there was a moment where she is just staring at them and dazing off, Bill notices this and looks from the Rattrays and to Sookie. Then Sookie tells him not to go anywhere, and said it as a warning. It was always weird that Bill would leave with them, you just assume that maybe he wanted to drink someones blood and they offered or who knows what they said to him. But since he knew of sookies gift and gave him a warning, he knew there was more to it.

      I also don’t think Bill glamoured them, because twice on the show already we see that Sookie can tell when someone has been glamoured when she tries to read their thoughts. Seems like glamoured thoughts show up differently in a persons mind than regular thoughts.

      I do think it’s possible he wasn’t late and instead waited until she was hurt to the point where she would need blood. If this is so then Claudine would know this right? when they first attack Sookie, she grabs his leg and he goes flying into the tree which now we know bc of deleted scenes that it was probably Claudine. She was there from beginning of the attack, and I think she might realize if there was a vampire close by.

  14. 124 L
    April 29, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Verrrrrry interesting. I can’t believe this didn’t cross my mind earlier, considering how much Sam and Eric dislike Bill with Sookie.

  15. 126 VikingLover
    April 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    By the way, I just wanted to thank you for this post SVB. Awesome as usual! 🙂

    • 127 jaded3
      April 29, 2010 at 8:19 pm

      Something to think about- I read on CH’s website the she said Bill was late meeting Sookie in the parking lot because he he a phone call, Who called him and why?

  16. 129 Angie
    April 30, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Has anyone noticed that Sookie started becoming even more loyal and sickenly lovey-dovey towards Bill after the maenad attack, when Bill gave her blood for a second time (to save her life, of course). Eric was standing by watching, almost amused, saying “Careful. You might over-cook her.” Yeah, I think he knew from that point on exactly what Bill’s game was. (It’s also worth noting that, even though Eric kinda schemed his way into a blood bond with Sookie, mostly through sheer dumb luck, he still expressed distaste over the idea of having a human completely under his control a la Dracula/Renfield, in Dead and Gone.)

    Remember, Sookie stood up and confronted Bill about Uncle Bartlett’s murder (then he made his big emotional confession, which I gotta say, even moved me a little bit, before I knew the whole story). She even marched out of the car when Bill was being irrational about the whole thing with Jessica’s parents. But from Dallas onwards, she became ridiculously compliant towards Bill.

    And the scene that always bugged me the most was in “Never Let Me Go”, when Bill is lamenting to Sookie about how awful it was watching Eric arguing with Stan and Isabel. And Sookie reassuring Bill that he was so much better and more human than them. I was thinking, “Wow, Bill, really? Remember your buddies Malcolm, Liam, and Diane, the ones who tried to glamour Sookie, and eat her, and then proceeded to have all kinds of nasty sex in front of her? Which you didn’t even try to stop? WTF?”

    I still can’t let myself believe that Bill or Sam allowed the incident with the Rattrays beating Sookie to progress to that point

    without intervening, but who the hell knows? The books haven’t even addressed this, so I have a hard time believing that the show will anytime soon. Although, the indications that Claudine was watching over Sookie have me intrigued. I mean, Claudine didn’t really know Sookie at that point, but everything that we know of her character indicates that she would have helped Sookie more if she could have. Maybe she wasn’t allowed to, or wasn’t able to at that point? But seriously, what would be a good excuse for Bill or Sam?

    • 130 Ashley
      April 30, 2010 at 3:38 am

      I always thought that when Bill was lamenting about the Dallas vamps and how they were “petty, and vile” he was also referring to hiself. When Sookie, pathetically and stupidly i might add, told Bill that he had a heart and the others couldnt say the same, Bill had a look on his face like OH poor dumb Sookie. It almost looked like he felt sorry for her being so naive, and believing him to be different. He knows he’s not. And Sookie just pissed me off for being so judgmental. Shes the one that goes on about how people shouldnt judge vampires, yet in Dallas she says Bills the only good one? WTF? What a hypocrite. Granted, this is before she saw Isabel and Hugo together and before saw how Eric felt about Godric, but talk about snap judgements from very little interaction. And the only reason Eric was so upset was because Godric was his maker, which of course Bill doesnt tell Sookie even though Eric tells him at the Dallas nest.

      • 131 MASpencer
        April 30, 2010 at 12:54 pm

        I agree. I think that every bad thing that Bill says about vampires is a projection of his opinions about himself. In fact, I think that attitude plays a key role in making him so “bad.”

    • 132 MASpencer
      April 30, 2010 at 12:51 pm

      Hmmm… maybe the warning that Claudine is (supposedly) going to be giving Sookie this season deals with Bill/Sophie-Anne. If she was in the woods that night, she most certainly knows everything that happened…

      Anyway, you make really good points all around. I also took note of the “overcooking” line– and I think that was there to hint at Eric’s suspicions toward Bill’s liberal blood-giving. Particularly when we see in the next episode how Eric swats Lafayette of of his wrist, even though Lafayette wants more, because Eric knows Lafayette has had enough.

      Another irony (in addition to the controversial “teacup humans” and “feeding on the willing” lines: Eric may have been the big bad meanie who tricked Sookie into drinking his blood… but the show has clearly illustrated that he has a lot more respect for the power of blood exchange than Bill does. And evidently, he’s not inclined to abuse it, either. We can’t say the same about Bill.

      • April 30, 2010 at 12:57 pm

        That would be a very good entrance for Claudine, and i can’t wait to see her. She is one of my favourite supporting characters.

        And Mas, i totally agree that Bill’s liberal blood giving. Maybe he is so concentrated on his task that he will do what he could to gain control over her. We know from how both males relate to others in their lifes.. Eric is respectful of everyone under his care, where Bill will stiff his responsiblities (jessica.. poor thing)
        (not sure if that made sences.. i think i need sleep)

        • 134 MASpencer
          April 30, 2010 at 1:28 pm

          Oh that definitely makes sense.

          What you’re saying also reminds me of Sunny’s theory that Sookie’s blood might have narcotic qualities to vamps. I mean, Bill abandoned his own child in favor of a “fix,” as it were. Humans do that shit all the time. LOL.

          It will be interesting if the show explores the mutually addictive nature of Bill and Sookie’s relationship– both literally and figuratively. It certainly looks like they might be setting that angle up for us.

          • 135 Gigi
            April 30, 2010 at 4:09 pm

            [Another irony (in addition to the controversial “teacup humans” and “feeding on the willing” lines: Eric may have been the big bad meanie who tricked Sookie into drinking his blood… but the show has clearly illustrated that he has a lot more respect for the power of blood exchange than Bill does. And evidently, he’s not inclined to abuse it, either. We can’t say the same about Bill.]

            TB like very much to make this kind of contrast beetween B/E because they also showed Bill taking care of Arlene’s kids with Sookie at her home and Eric selling V. But if their point is to show and prove how hypocritical is Bill, it is time to begin to reveal it, because IMO it’s getting late. If they will let this next season pass and it remains ambigous, I don’t think they will disclose it openly later and really want the viewers to make their own opinions.

            CH clearly states in the books that fairy blood is intoxicating for vampires and how they can’t hardly control their impulses when are in front of a fae. She also has stated the difference between V and the vampire’s blood that is given directly from a vampire to a human. According to her, what makes the V to be addictive to humans is related to the time it has been out from the vampire’s body. Meanwhile, the vampire’s blood which is given directly from its body isn’t addictive and has more to do with the bond and its health’s related attributes. IMO, Sookie’s adiction to Bill is an emotional dependency more than a physical one, and is based on her lack of a father figure. That’s the reason why after all what he has made to her during 9 books, she’s still trying to help him. And I also watch the same dependency at the show by the way she’s is always trying to justify him.

            • 136 MASpencer
              April 30, 2010 at 4:19 pm

              I agree Gigi. The truth about Bill will either start coming out this season… or it won’t come out explicitly at all.

              Personally, I’m REALLY hoping for the former.

              • 137 sunnynala
                May 1, 2010 at 1:56 pm

                Stephen Moyer: “You won’t fucking believe what they are doing *to* my character this season”.

                I think it’s safe to hope that we are about to get some really nasty revelations about Bill.

  17. 139 Liz
    April 30, 2010 at 3:13 am

    i already mentioned it above in a reply, but think it will be lost in the shuffle, so i wanted to mention it again.
    There needn’t have been impeccable timing or great coincidence for the Rattrays to have been a setup, Bill, or another vamp need only glamor them to do everything they did, and Sookie wouldnt have picked up anything from their minds.

    And BAD SAM for only turning into a collie, he could have been anything IF he had WANTED to scare them away… i wonder if Sam can turn into a dragon?

  18. 140 Ashley
    April 30, 2010 at 3:41 am

    Oh and i just wanted to point out….There is no way that Sam would bring kids to see Eric if he thought Eric would harm them in any way. Some were up in arms about the “delicious” comment Eric made, but Eric had no intention of harming the kids, and Sam knew it. He didnt say the comments in English. Sam and the kids didnt know what he was saying. He wasnt trying to scare them. Sam cares about the kids and bring them with him to see Eric shows a certain level of trust, even if he doesnt like Eric.

    • April 30, 2010 at 3:52 am

      On the subject of the kids – they were a nice distraction technique weren’t they? Everyone was so up in arms about a) kids being near the big nasty vampires b) Eric showing them his fangs and saying kids are yummy and c) the teacup humans gimmick – that the whole subtext of this scene was missed. Sometimes Skars needs to tone down his awesomeness…it’s just too distracting 😀

      • April 30, 2010 at 4:16 am

        I personally love teh Teacup human line.. it was the start of the Eric i like: Fun loving and has a sence of humor. It would have beent the BL that focused on the kids, and not everything else going on…

        But yes, there is familiarity between the pair, and Eric didn’t seem to overly care that Sam was there, there wasn’t any menous in his voice or stance.. he was pretty much laid back. There is soemthing up with them

      • 143 Ashley
        April 30, 2010 at 4:58 am

        Yeah i just thought that was funny that some were like oh Eric wanted to eat the kids…LOL…nope, not gonna happen. Eric and Sam obviously knew each other. His awesomeness is distracting, too true, even to the BLs! It obviously makes them miss a lot of things!

        • 144 meiliharrison
          May 1, 2010 at 6:23 pm

          The fangs… another thing that’s different between Bill and Eric. The screen in Sookie’s kitchen, when the kids wanted to see Bill’s fangs, he used 2 pieces of pizza and showed them some funny fake fangs that made the kids laugh. Everyone was thinking… “Awwww… see he’s so harmless and sweet to the children, he doesn’t want to scare them.”

          Contrast this to when they met Eric in Fangtasia, asked to see his fangs, and he proudly did so. Then people thought, “Oh those nasty vampires, the big bad blond one. Shows his fangs and scares those poor kids!”

          When in fact, it shows Bill’s inclination to always hide and try to conceal the truth, and Eric feels no need to do so. Bill’s constantly thinking of lies and deceit, and Eric doesn’t so there isn’t any need for him to hide who he is.

          • 145 LLE
            May 1, 2010 at 8:08 pm

            Bill was nice to kids because Sookie there. Bill did that to impress Sookie but Eric enjoy the kids and Sookie was not there. It tells you that Eric is the better man.

    • 146 VikingLover
      April 30, 2010 at 4:30 pm

      [Sam and the kids didnt know what he was saying. He wasnt trying to scare them. Sam cares about the kids and bring them with him to see Eric shows a certain level of trust, even if he doesnt like Eric.]

      This is such a great point and so very true! Sam certainly wouldn’t have taken them to Diane and Liam’s house (if they had been alive) that’s for sure. Nor would he have sought their help. lol

  19. 147 MASpencer
    April 30, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Some afterthoughts I’ve had on this subject: Initially, I thought that Eric called Bill out as a form of entrapment. The BLs LOVE to point out that Bill didn’t give Sookie his blood on the FIRST night… it was the SECOND. (So clearly, Sookie was already in love with him beforehand. *eyeroll*)

    Anyway, that’s why I thought that Eric had only just made the connection, and said what he did to bait Bill into admitting the truth. (“So you’re not denying it?”) That doesn’t exclude the possibility, however, that Eric already knew about the aftermath of the Rattray beating… and simply waited until now to throw it in Bill’s face. (And that info could have been gleaned as part of a conversation that Eric had with Sam BEFORE he showed up at Fangtasia to ask for help– hence the subtext of familiarity between the two.)

    This would also make Eric’s absence in the showdown with Maryann slightly more understandable (and I emphasize the word SLIGHTLY), because there would be no unfulfilled side of the bargain for him to keep up. In other words, Sam would only be beholden to Eric if Eric was actually able to help… and he wasn’t. So the scorecard would remain clear.

    However, if the current theory is right– that Sam gave Eric that tidbit about Bill as “pre-payment” for his help with the maenad attack– I just don’t see it making any sense that Eric didn’t furnish his help and assistance in a much bigger way than what we saw. He does NOT appear to be someone who would fail to deliver on his end of the agreement. To me, that’s one of the trademark qualties of a very sleazy person– and for all of the ironies we see happening with Eric’s character, I still think the show is presenting them as faulty first impressions that we, as viewers, shouldn’t necessarily trust.

    UNLESS, of course, the writers showed him returning Jessica to Bill in the first season finale in order to set a precedent for the viewers that Eric IS the type to go back on his word. There are two options in this circumstance: Either Bill never returned his favor, so the agreement was technically moot, and Eric can’t really be faulted for breaking it. OR, Eric already had Bill return his favor (Sunny has speculated that BILL kidnapped Lafayette for Eric, and perhaps glamoured his memory of it away)… which would effectively strip Eric of his integrity, as HE wouldn’t have been holding up HIS end of the bargain in this case.

    Did I just confuse everything? LOL. I just think it’s relevant, since the Sam conversation isn’t the first time we’ve seen Eric bargaining with favors. And there are definitely very different implications for every interpretation of either one of these scenes.

    • 148 sunnynala
      April 30, 2010 at 5:04 pm

      MAS, great comment! But obviously, I have to disagree with this:

      (Sunny has speculated that BILL kidnapped Lafayette for Eric, and perhaps glamoured his memory of it away)… which would effectively strip Eric of his integrity, as HE wouldn’t have been holding up HIS end of the bargain in this case.

      Not at all. Clearly, Eric woudn’t made a deal to keep Bill’s child indefinitely. Bill kidnapping Laffy and delivering him to Eric is worth about, oh say, two weeks of looking after his child?

      I should have included this in my post but it just hit me: Bill was implying to Eric that he could not look after Jessica because there was a killer on the loose targeting girls who slept with vampires. It would make sense to Eric that Bill needed to devote all his time and attention to Sookie while she was clearly in danger. It would make perfect sense for both parties to strike the deal for Eric to keep Jessica for the duration of the threat from Rene, and for this favor kidnap and deliver Laffy to him in return. BUT, Rene had been dead and gone and no longer a danger to Sookie for two weeks, since the day after the deal was struck. Eric actually kept Jessica longer than necessary.

      But I do agree–it was SUPPOSED to look like Eric went back on his word. He didn’t.

      it was the SECOND. (So clearly, Sookie was already in love with him beforehand. *eyeroll*)

      Hello? They fail to mention that Sookie evinced almost a dislike of Bill on a few occasions and actually broke up with him twice before Gran was killed. And the night Gran was killed they were broken up and Sookie was out on a date with Sam and flaunting it right in his face. *danger will robinson, she’s about to slip away*

      • 149 MASpencer
        April 30, 2010 at 5:35 pm

        You’re totally right, Sunny. Like you pointed out in your blog post, Eric’s reaction to Bill exclaiming “We had a deal!” was: “Well now, the terms have changed.”

        I can see it being the case that no concrete time limit was set for Eric’s care of Jessica– a convenient loophole for Eric, and one that allowed him to up the ante if the “contract” was to be “renewed.” And if the subtext was that the purpose of taking Jessica would be to better enable Bill to protect Sookie, then it makes perfect sense that once the killer was dealt with, then the terms of the original agreement would be effectively met. I’m sure Eric would say that Bill SHOULD have understood that.

        I was also going to say that, if Bill took Lafayette, why didn’t Eric tell Sookie when he walked in on their conversation about it at Fangtasia? But, it only makes sense that NOT telling Sookie would have been a necessary part of that agreement on Eric’s end– and one that he most certainly complied with, despite the fact that it would have been in his best interests NOT to.

        So… this takes me back to Eric’s implied agreement with Sam. It seems to me that there are only two valid choices here: Either Sam gave Eric information as a barter, and Eric DID help in some way that will be revealed later, thus keeping his end of the bargain… OR, Sam would be indebted to Eric only on the condition that Eric was able to help. And Eric NOT helping in the finale means that there is no deal between the two of them– effectively removing further accountability from either party.

        Of course, I know which side of the fence YOU’RE on, Sunny. 😉 But what does everyone else think? Door number one, or door number two?

        • 150 sunnynala
          April 30, 2010 at 6:03 pm

          it only makes sense that NOT telling Sookie would have been a necessary part of that agreement on Eric’s end–

          Oh absolutely! At that point, why would Eric care? It wouldn’t be a big deal to refrain from telling Sookie that her bf had kidnapped her friend Laffy on his behalf. He made a deal though so I doubt he ever will tell her, but if she really thinks about it, and I know it’s hard Sook, she will figure it out on her own.

          But what does everyone else think? Door number one, or door number two?

          I know you excluded me 😦 j/k!!

          BUT…Eric specifically mentions a ‘hypothetical future’ in which Sam returns the favor…and Sam responds ‘we have to start trusting one another or we’re all single targets’. This implies, to me, that no specific deal was struck, only that Eric would do his best in that he would seek info from QSA who “might, might” have useful information. Eric never promised he would deal directly with the maenad but it was implied that he would if he could even though reciprocation on Sam’s part remained unspecified. Eric IS the sheriff after all and truly, it was his obligation to deal with a supe crisis in his territory. and said he would call Sam if he had information that Sam himself needed to know in order to deal with MA, and I am certain that he DID, possibly even before Bill got to him.

          Eric’s ‘hypothetical’ statement also implies that if there ever had been any other deals between them the terms had been met on both sides and they were starting out even. Neither owed the other anything at that point.

          So, if we assume an earlier deal had been struck whereby Sam gave Eric info on how Bill and Sookie met then we must also assume that Eric has already discharged his obligation in return or Sam would have brought it up.

          What we have to look for now I think are any clues to any favors Eric might have done for Sam.

          • 151 MASpencer
            April 30, 2010 at 6:32 pm

            I don’t think, if Sam had mentioned anything to Eric in an earlier conversation that might have happened off-screen, that it would necessarily be regarded as a favor. More like an “I-don’t-trust-Bill-either,” “we-want-the-same-thing-you-and-I,” getting-to-know-you chat. 😉

            As for whether or not Sam gave Eric the dirt on Bill before he left for the Queen’s, I would think that, either way, Eric definitely would have at least called to tell Sam that he was unable to get any useful information. It just seems like the courteous thing to do, when someone is so obviously depending on you. And that goes DOUBLE if Sam already gave Eric his own bit of useful information.

            That we heard NOTHING from him is just plain suspect. That’s the main reason why I think you might be onto something with your theory about the finale, Sunny.

    • 152 MASpencer
      April 30, 2010 at 5:44 pm

      Oh, and to respond to myself (LOL):

      [He does NOT appear to be someone who would fail to deliver on his end of the agreement. To me, that’s one of the trademark qualties of a very sleazy person– and for all of the ironies we see happening with Eric’s character, I still think the show is presenting them as faulty first impressions that we, as viewers, shouldn’t necessarily trust.]

      We did, however, see that BILL is not averse to breaking his word, as he all but BEGGED Sookie to disregard her agreement with Eric and run away from Dallas with him. Just sayin’…

    • 153 Ashley
      May 1, 2010 at 3:08 am

      So sorry BLs, Bill was definitely not in love with Sookie by the end of the first episode. He was really rude to her, and trying to ensare her in his trap. If you watch the episode, he knew she was interested in him and took advantage of it. Bill didnt start to love Sookie until the 6th episode in my opinion, when her Gran died. Thats when they became a real couple and had sex for the first time.

  20. 154 VikingLover
    April 30, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    [OR, Sam would be indebted to Eric only on the condition that Eric was able to help. And Eric NOT helping in the finale means that there is no deal between the two of them– effectively removing further accountability from either party.]

    I believe it’s this one. Eric said he “might” be able to glean something useful from “someone”. He didn’t say it was a definite because he wasn’t sure if the Queen would know what to do. She obviously didn’t want to help him and told him to stay out of it and “stick to what” he’s “good at”. The other thing is that Eric tells Sam, I’ll call you “*if* I learn anything of use to you”. He didn’t tell Sam that he would definitely call him. I think Sam may have told him about Sookie/Bill soley on the condition that Eric was going to try to help – meaning he wasn’t sure if he could get any useful info but he was going to go ask anyway. I still think the writers goofed this last episode. I hope they’ve learned from their mistake and we won’t see a replay of this in S3.

    • 155 MASpencer
      April 30, 2010 at 6:37 pm

      Yeah, you might be right. But, like I said just above, you would think that Eric would have at least called to tell Sam that he was on his own– even though he technically didn’t HAVE to. It’s just the right thing to do… and it wouldn’t have been going against the Queen’s “suggestion” that he stay out of it, either.

      So much about the finale just didn’t make sense to me. *sigh*

      • 156 VikingLover
        April 30, 2010 at 7:39 pm

        Well, it could have happened off screen just like the possible conversation they had re: Sookie. Maybe we’ll learn more about those final moments in S3. I’m sure we’ll get more clues about Sam and his association in the Supe world. Especially since Alcide will be introduced this season.

        {So much about the finale just didn’t make sense to me.} I know, Hon. **HUGS** I just hope they got enough flak for it and they learned from it so that we won’t ever to see this happen again. I don’t know how you go from the awesomeness of “I Will Rise Up” to that. *sigh*

  21. 157 Gigi
    April 30, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    E: Unlike you, who fed her your blood the very night you met.
    B: How do you know that?
    E: So you’re not denying it…
    B: AH WUZ SAVIN’ HER LAHF.
    E: Isn’t that convenient?

    IMO the reason why Eric met Sam before, Sam had his personal cellphone number, and Eric knew that Bill gave his blood to Sookie is that Eric, as a Vampire Sheriff, had to investigate the Rattray’s murders because it was clearly an act that wasn’t made by a human. It doesn’t matter how many different supes are in Bon Temps, the town is part of his Area and he had the responsability to be sure if it was made by a vampire or not, especially because the the Rattray’s were convicted of draining vampires. They used to hang on Merlott’s, so for me it is logical that Eric interviewed Sam about them.

    When Eric said to Bill: “Unlike you, who fed her your blood the very night you met” he didn’t just bait him into admitting the truth about giving his blood to Sookie that night, but he also wanted to know if Sam told him the truth about what happened that night and if Bill was involved in the Rattray’s murders as he suspected. Bill’s moronic answer: “How do you know that?” made clear to him that the info that Sam gave him about Bill was the truth. Eric also knew from that moment that he could trust the collie/owl/fly/bull/almost-flamingo shifter’s word about joining forces and trust each other (so we’d probably watch more about them in the future). And Bill, as the moron he is and from the shock of knowing that Eric had that info (because he thought no one would know his ways into achieve his secret mission about Sookie) didn’t knew Eric was baiting him also to find the true about the Rattrays. When Eric said: “So you’re not denying it” – I actually heard it as an statement and not as a question, and I also heard how Eric mental gears began to move analyzing all the info and moving the puzzle pieces. The fact that Eric knew that info and that his mission might be discovered was the reason why Bill lost control and changed the offensive approach for a deffensive one answering: “AH WUZ SAVIN’ HER LAHF”. But he again failed to notice that his new answer made him even more suspicious at Eric’s eyes. “Isn’t that convenient?” – Eric mental gear’s were sounding higher then because the puzzle pieces were begining to reveal to him that Bill had a reason into making Sookie feel attracted to him since the very first day they met. But this time Eric’s mental gears sounded so high that Bill heard them and panicked… That’s why he dared to threat him with the V selling.

    And… this little dialogue was the reason why we could hear as Eric’s mental gears began to move again when he looked at Hadley in a so intense and prolonged way after she asked if Bill was really in love with Sookie and saw how SA reacted against her. Eric played the fool with the yatzeeh and answering SA regarding Sookie and Bill to gather more information and… Bingo!! (I think migh be better to say: YATZEEH!!!) …Hadley opened her mouth. So now he knows that SA and Hadley are main pieces at his Sookie’s Puzzle, too.

    To be continued… ( 😛 )

  22. 158 VikingLover
    April 30, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    VERY AWESOME, GIGI!!!! 🙂

    I was watching the Queen scene the other night and it dawned on me how often Eric “eyes” Hadley. He checks her out A LOT during this scene – starting from the moment the Queen is distracted and explaining the subtleties of Yatzee. She interrupts his “thoughts” while he’s looking at Hadley when she tells him she heard about Godric’s death. Eric’s expressions during that scene is priceless.

    • 159 Gigi
      April 30, 2010 at 11:29 pm

      Until now I haven’t really percieved that Sam is being “shifty” on TB, at least not yet… and definitely not the same way he is in the books.

  23. 160 Ericrocks
    April 30, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Getting back to SAM,I just started reading Club Dead AGAIN. When Sookie is getting ready to leave Bpn Temps with Alcide, at the last minute, she calls Sam to tell him she needs a few days off and she had her shifts covered. She makes the intelligent decision to tell Sam who she is leaving with. Sam makes some noises to the effect that he knows of Alcide and demands to speak with him. Alcide and Sam were on the phone for quite a while, long enough for Sook to load her luggage in the truck, and stand there and get pissed about Sam acting like her father. Alcide comes out and says that he hopes he can keep her alive, with a serious face.

    What the hell did Sam say to Alcide, I wonder, to cause the change in demeaner in him? Sookie had already told Alcide most of the story, including the Were biker attack and killing of same Were of the day before.

    What all does Sam know and why the hell would he share it with Alcide?

  24. 161 Kathy
    May 11, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Okay, don’t know where to put this and this discussion has been so long ago nobody will probably read this but…..I’m new here and just reading these now….

    Could someone explain to me why Bud refers to Sookie beating up Mack “the night before” when he sees her at the Rattray’s the night after she was beaten up and Bill destroyed the trailer. And why Eric says to Bill “Unlike you, who fed her your blood the very night you met.” These two things happened in reverse. So many of you guys maintain AB is doing all these stupid, IMO, things because it’s some brilliant plot he’s coming up with, but using just these two examples (I know there are more) make it look like he’s just sloppy to me.

  25. 162 Sibyl_Vane
    May 17, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    I know that you are making points speciffically about the show here, but after reading DUD again there is a lot of schetcky Sam stuff- and I’m only at chapter 4.

    1) There is a voice that is never identified saying “quick” to Bill right after the “dog” shows up when the Rats practically kill Sook.

    2) After Bill and Sook have a few meetings she is at work crying in the storeroom over something Alrene says and Sam asks if it is about her telepathy, he offers her to listen in- but when she does at the scene of Dawn’s murder she only gets emotions and then Sam shutting her down- blocking her out of his mind. Do any other Supes have that ability that we have seen? Besides Hunter? She even mentions something about him being able to tell she was listening- which is a similar convo she has with Hunter in DitF.

    3) In the same convo- in the store room when he invites her to listen he says the Bill told him the Sook can’t hear Bill’s thoughts. Does anyone else think it is wierd that Sam and Bill are so buddy buddy after never having really interacted before? And why are they discussing Sook’s ability as the hot topic?

    4) Lastly, He defends Bill. He says “Bill is a good guy, for a vampire, but he is still a vampire.” Bill is a good guy? What are you on about Sam?

    I think I like Sam better when he is on TB and hates Bill a little.

  26. 163 kealeagh
    May 27, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Season 2 episode 11 commentary. Alan Ball talked about the scene with Eric and Bill outside the Queens.

    AB: “There’s a question how did Eric know that about Bill and Sookie?” Director: “I thought he was just guessing.” AB: “Or maybe the Queen told him.”

    • 164 Gigi
      May 27, 2010 at 5:21 pm

      Yeah, now the bitch is also insinuating that Eric is an accomplice in Bill’s agenda to manipulate Sookie… Nice topping for TB/Eric’s image… PFFFFFFFFFFT!!!!!

      • 165 Dee
        May 27, 2010 at 5:27 pm

        Hmmm that is interesting…I wonder if AB is just throwing out the queen line to maybe show that how would the queen know, maybe insinuating that the queen knows this already. About Eric knowing, I don’t think the queen told him anything though. Seems like she doesn’t want him to know any part of it. Remember the face she gave Hadley when she looked surprised that Bill loved Sookie. I just really think it was for AB to point out that the queen knows and then you wonder, how would she know. Or maybe he threw that out there as a joke to drive us all crazy since he knows this is a big topic lol

        • 166 Gigi
          May 27, 2010 at 6:00 pm

          [About Eric knowing, I don’t think the queen told him anything though.]

          Although I agree with you and don’t think she told him, actually we don’t know that for sure, the same way we don’t know for sure that SA is behind Bill’s proposal to Sookie and their wedding arragements, because we haven’t seen any of it on the show. But knowing that AB always arrange things at his convenience to save Bill’s face, anyhting can happen, so I don’t trust him at all. And anyway, it’s another of the stupid answers the bitch’s used to throw in order to manipulate the viewers into see what he wants them to see.

          • 167 Gigi
            May 27, 2010 at 6:05 pm

            (did’nt finish…)
            …in order to manipulate the viewers into see what he wants them to see because he underestimate their intelligence.

        • 168 MASpencer
          May 28, 2010 at 12:30 am

          I’m going with your idea, Dee! LOL It’s eyebrow-raising enough that the Queen herself would know about the events of those first nights. And further supports the notion that she may have actually been behind them, somehow.

          I’ve speculated before that it’s POSSIBLE that Eric found out the Bill/Sookie scoop DURING his meeting with the Queen. But I don’t even really buy THAT… I just think there is SOME evidence to support it.

          But I DEFINITELY don’t think Eric would have known ANYTHING about it BEFORE his meeting with the Queen that night. Or maybe I just don’t WANT to. LOL.

          • 169 Dee
            May 28, 2010 at 12:41 am

            We have to figure that Bill has been keeping QSA up to date, right? When he went to see her and he said he had to go, she is the one who brought up Sookie is fine. So she has to know he is with her. Not sure if Eric and QSA ever discussed this but there is always a possibility.

            I just hope all this is revealed this season. Eric is clever enough to figure it all out.

      • 170 sunnynala
        May 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm

        The queen didn’t tell Eric shit about Bill or anything he’s been up to.

        Besides, when did Eric have this alleged convo with SA? I doubt he called her because He wouldn’t even call her for info on the maenad, he went to see her instead.

        • 171 Dee
          May 27, 2010 at 5:37 pm

          Yeah, I just don’t see how it is even possible that she told Eric. It was made very apparent that she does not want Eric to know. I really think AB was hinting at who else would know this. The only way I can see QSA telling Eric, was maybe if lets see Eric said something along the lines of Bill is back in BT and with a human, and she could’ve said Yes i heard he fed from her the very first night he met her(which is wrong but thats what eric said) but that would be all the queen told him if anything, never going into detail about any of this.

          • 172 Dee
            May 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm

            I meant to say she fed from him

            • 173 VikingLover
              May 27, 2010 at 5:56 pm

              I think they were just f***king with the audience. You can tell because AB apparently asks the Director how Eric knew. They were trying to misdirect everyone. We can tell from the convo with the Queen that Eric doesn’t know shit about B/S from her.

              • 174 sunnynala
                May 27, 2010 at 6:13 pm

                If they are utilizing misdirection in the commentaries then they are useless. pffft.

                • May 27, 2010 at 6:25 pm

                  AB is keeping up the you-can’t-trust-what-anyone-tells-you theme. S2 Isabelle says that Stan is a ranchero poseur from Romania, but in the character profile Pam gives him a detailed history that is 100% American pioneer and Texas cowboy. From the way he dressed, I’d say someone was snowing Pam.

                • 176 VikingLover
                  May 27, 2010 at 6:54 pm

                  Yep, they pretty much are useless. They’re realling not going to give much away.

              • 177 Dee
                May 27, 2010 at 6:18 pm

                I really hope we do find out who told Eric. You know what I wonder though, in the books, Bill, knew that Eric gave Sookie his blood. In DAG, he says Eric gave her blood he can tell. Now I wonder if when Eric met Sookie the first time at Fangtasia, if he was able to know that she has had Bill’s blood. But that wouldn’t explain the first night comment though. Unless he was just guessing and bill took the bait. But that would be a good guess even for Eric, although it was 2nd night. Then again we also don’t know if AB will take that aspect of the books and maybe a vampire being able to tell she had someone elses blood.

                • 178 sunnynala
                  May 27, 2010 at 6:31 pm

                  Well, a vampire giving a human his blood is an extraordinary event. I can’t see a ‘guess’ being so specific, even if it was erroneous. I imagine the person who told him (Sam?) had the day wrong.

                  • 179 Dee
                    May 27, 2010 at 6:37 pm

                    That’s why I said that it would be a good guess even for Eric. Unless he heard about the Rattrays incident, since he seems to know what goes on in his area, and maybe he just heard that a couple tried to drain Bill, sookie helped him, she also got beat up and he gave her blood. Whoever told him just didn’t tell him the specifics of each night but just summarized what happened. He also could’ve just heard that sookie got beat up when she met Bill, and later on when he met her at fangtasia and he realized Bill gave her blood, he might’ve guessed it was from that night. It would be easy to guess that. But seems like whoever told him, didn’t know specifics since night was wrong and Eric’s response with “so you’re not denying it” shows that he wasn’t 100% sure if it happened.

        • May 27, 2010 at 11:52 pm

          The queen didn’t tell Eric shit about Bill or anything he’s been up to.

          I agree.

          I listened to this commentary the other night. Of course when Ball first said that I started ranting – because if QSA told Eric, it was BEFORE this visit – since the exchange with Bill happened outside when Eric was arriving. That means that Eric would be somehow complicit in Bill’s mission. And if that were the case, me and this show would be OVER. For reals.

          Then I calmed down. It’s a red herring. TOTALLY a red herring. Even the way he says it, his tone is like he’s trying to deliberately sound off-hand.

          It simply does not jive with…well, anything. The final two episodes made it very clear that Eric is suspicious of Bill. And you don’t get suspicious of a plot that you already know about.

          • 181 MASpencer
            May 28, 2010 at 12:33 am

            No, I agree. I think that, if it’s hinting at anything, it’s that Sophie-Anne ORCHESTRATED the events of those first nights. Which we have all speculated already… but would be a pretty major bomb to detonate in the audience’s face.

            • May 28, 2010 at 12:56 am

              Right. That’s the other possibility. That would be an awesome twist, though.
              As long as Eric knows nothing about it.

              • 183 pennydreadful
                May 28, 2010 at 1:08 am

                SVB- I completely confident that Eric didn’t know but in the course of his investigation he’s slowly piecing the evidence together. First of all, he didn’t know who Sookie was when she visited Fangtasia and he seemed genuinely surprised by her gift. Also, consider his reply when Bill said that Sookie must be protected,”That sounds like an edict, but it can’t be otherwise I would know about it.”

            • 184 sunnynala
              May 28, 2010 at 1:06 am

              Bombs away!

              • 185 Dee
                May 28, 2010 at 1:27 am

                I just want this to be revealed already. One thing I’m sick of are the BL’s claiming that AB will not do this storyline and keep pointing out the show is different. I just wanna see what they’ll say once it’s revealed. And honestly, hearing that AB said this in the commentary, I think it’s just another hint. He is telling the audience “QSA knows what happened that night” and again linking the story with Bill seducing Sookie for the queen.

                There is no way Eric knows, maybe after his visit with the queen, he is suspicious about things but doesn’t know any details yet.

                I know it’s not revealed until book 6, but I hope it’s revealed this season. Even if somebody doesn’t tell Sookie just yet, I hope the audience will at least know. Maybe showing the queen discussing this and revealing it to us.

                • 186 sunnynala
                  May 28, 2010 at 1:31 am

                  I’m confident the audience will find out but not Sookie, not yet. I’ve said that from the get-go. But she is in for a lot of other nasty surprises about Bill this season, I’m sure of that too.

                  • 187 Dee
                    May 28, 2010 at 1:51 am

                    Well I sure hope so, I don’t care who reveals it at this point, whether the audience will know before Sookie or not. I can only imagine the amount of responses this blog will get the day it is revealed lol.

  27. 188 pennydreadful
    May 27, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    The real turning point in Sookie and Bill’s relationship truly begins when she overhears Denise Rattray think, “He’s probably got 11 or 12 pints in him. Holy shit! That’s almost 200 ounces. I bet we could get 500 an ounce in Dallas. Fuck me, that’s $10,000. Sweet Jesus.”

    Actually, no ,Denise…if you and Mack planned to completely drain Bill and sell his blood you’d yield the princely sum of $96,000 (16 fluid ounces to a pint, 12 pints @500 per ounce.) I’d say that you should have been paying more attention in math class, but generally drug dealers have a very good working relationship with numbers. Now I’m not an expert on vampire draining but I’d assume that if you’re going steal a vamp’s blood you damned well better kill him afterward and get rid of any incriminating evidence. Could it be that Bon Temp’s newest undead resident voluntarily agreed to donate a pint or two? Yeah, that Bill…he’s such a giver. That would certainly explain why Bill thoughtfully removed his jacket and passively lay down on the ground for you. Now that I think about it, it’s rather odd that you and Mack had your draining gear(just the sort of drug paraphernalia that cops look for during random traffic stops) in the car on the very night that Bon Temps got its first vampire. I guess Mack is a former boy scout in believes in the motto, “always be prepared.”

    Quite a few people have assumed that you intended to kill Bill because you said, “where are we going to hide a dead vampire in our trailer?” A dead vampire…isn’t that an example of a redundant phrase such as famous celebrity or tuna fish? Besides, nothing takes care of your messy outdoor vampire clean-up problems like the sun. And when Sookie interrupted your little transaction in the parking lot, you told her, ” You have any idea who you’re messing with?” Oh sure…that could have just a bit of swaggering bravado or it could have been an indication that you have some business partners in very high places.

    • 189 pennydreadful
      May 27, 2010 at 7:00 pm

      I also wanted to add isn’t interesting that Denise wants to sell V in Dallas of all places?

      • 190 sunnynala
        May 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm

        Oh yeah, maybe she and Mack were ‘pussylover9’? Eric was looking for the owner of that e-mail and maybe he found out it was the Ratt’s and that is how he traced the events of Bill giving Sookie his blood. And maybe he knows, or will soon find out, that Bill was somehow connected to the Ratts.

        • 191 Dee
          May 27, 2010 at 8:00 pm

          ahhh interesting, that can explain how Eric knows. I also wonder if he might’ve known something about the Rattrays death at least. If he heard about it and saw how it happened, he might’ve suspected that it was a vampire, especially since it was reported that a tornado hit their trailer when its obvious there was no tornado. Then he might’ve put the pieces together.

        • 192 MASpencer
          May 27, 2010 at 8:51 pm

          That IS a good call, Sunny. That Dallas V-seller plotline was a total dead end last season… so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was “resurrected” somehow next season, possibly because Eric did some snooping and found out about it.

          It would also tie in to our theory that he asked Sam for info before he left for the Queen’s. It would be pretty random for Sam to volunteer those details without any context– Sam himself might not have thought anything of it. But if Eric point-blank asked him “What do you know about Bill’s connection to the Rattrays?” the floodgates would totally bust open.

    • 193 sunnynala
      May 27, 2010 at 7:07 pm

      All true Penny!

      • May 27, 2010 at 7:32 pm

        Guys, we are defintely going back to Dallas.

        One of the helpful hints that pops up on the s2 disc is: Telepathy might come in handy if Sookie & Barry ever find themselves in trouble with the Texas vamps.

        Wha???

  28. 197 pennydreadful
    May 27, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Just a random theory but I suspect that QSA, unbeknownst to her most of her subjects, isn’t the only monarch running a V operation. Even her flunky, Bill, is blindly obviously to what QSA is up to and even mistakenly believes she would be angry with the knowledge that Lafeytte is selling V. I think we’re going to discover that she’s been playing her little toadie, Bill, like a chump.

    Incidentally, everything about QSA’s character screams film noir villianess (ala Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity.) Actually, I think we’re also going to see a few noir themes played out this season. The symmetry of it makes perfect sense…Bill seduces and manipulates Sookie under the Queen’s orders only to find he’s the one who been played the fool.

    My guess is that the Rattrays were somehow connected to a vamp in the Dallas hierarchy. Bill’s purpose in Bon Temps may have been two-fold: to seduce Sookie and secure her for the Queen’s nefarious plans AND deal with the Rattrays (as a sort of undercover operative….a “rat.) One of the reasons that Bill might consider the Dallas vamps “vile” is if he believed that they were running a “V” operation.

    I’m not entirely sure that Sookie was meant to see the Rattrays taking Bill’s blood out in the parking lot, but it certainly worked to his advantage in terms of establishing rapid rapport with his mark…er, I mean Sookie. However, I’m convinced that on the second night, he observed and *intentionally* waited to intervene on Sookie’s behalf.
    B: AH WUZ SAVIN’ HER LAHF.
    E: Isn’t that convenient?

    Yes, Eric…you bet it is.

    • 198 sunnynala
      May 27, 2010 at 8:55 pm

      One of the reasons that Bill might consider the Dallas vamps “vile” is if he believed that they were running a “V” operation.

      That would be true if Bill actually had a moral problem with selling or using V but he doesn’t. He offered his own drained blood to Sookie to sell or get high on. obviously he had ulterior motives for doing this but I think it shows V sales and consumption doesn’t bother him at all.

      B: AH WUZ SAVIN’ HER LAHF.
      E: Isn’t that convenient?

      Yes, Eric…you bet it is.

      I am so glad Eric is finally getting a clue about Bill. Where Bill projects onto others his own paranoia and nefarious motives, Eric projects his own honesty and straighforwardness. He actually believed Bill is ‘in love’ with Sookie–he can’t imagine Bill is playing some a part with Sookie because he, Eric, would never do that.

      And, it just struck me–I think he told QSA that Bill is in love with Sookie to gauge the reactions! They way she and Hadley behaved after that little bombshell said it all! and confirmed his suspicions.

    • 199 MASpencer
      May 27, 2010 at 9:02 pm

      I’m not sure about the Rattray connection being a separate mission, but I totally agree that Bill will be played as a chump– and come off as the petty con man who isn’t wily enough to run his own operation, so he’s employed to do the REAL kingpin’s dirty work. Lorena taught him no real skills outside of that… and it only makes sense that he would fall back into a “life of crime,” once he realized that he couldn’t really hack it on his own. That’s what weak people do.

      Anyway, I think Sophie-Anne would happily dispose of him once he’s no longer of use to her… and what’s worse, I think he actually IS in love with (or at least CARES about) Sookie, too. This whole thing is going to explode in his face next season.

      And dare I say it? I MIGHT actually feel sorry for him! But not TOO sorry. LOL

      • 200 pennydreadful
        May 27, 2010 at 9:33 pm

        Yes, I think the plot is going to explore a few film noir themes. Central to any film noir work is a classic femme fatale who is utterly ruthless, scheming, and manipulative. She’s the always real brains behind the operation (Sophie Anne.)

        Next, there’s male protagonist who is either attempting to escape from his shady past or has character flaws (lust, greed, cruelty, etc.) that make him vulnerable to the villianess’s schemes. However morally bankrupt this character is…he will always see himself as a victim of circumstances beyond his control. Furthermore, he’s also too arrogant to realize that he’s been double crossed and played for a chump (Bill.)

        Often, there is also a young innocent ingenue whom the male protagonist accidentally falls in love with in the course of doing the fatale’s dirty work. However, he doesn’t really love her so much as he loves the flattering image she has of him as moral and trust worthy man. (Sookie)

        Finally, what noir story would be complete without the hard-boiled detective who is tough and street wise? Audiences may initially question his moral compass…but in the end, he is a man beyond corruption, and one that thoroughly committed to seeing that justice is done. (Eric)

        • 201 sunnynala
          May 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm

          Right on Penny, right on. Film Noir is my favorite film genre and there are many elements of it in TB.

          I have this fantasy flashback of Eric owning a Cafe Americain style nightclub back in the ’40’s, wearing white dinner jackets every night while outsmarting Nazi’s and schtupping Ingrid Bergman. 😀

          (I know Casablanca isn’t strictly noir but it contains many elements of the genre)

          TB is so fucking entertaining! lol.

        • 202 MASpencer
          May 27, 2010 at 9:54 pm

          [Yes, I think the plot is going to explore a few film noir themes.]

          YES, YES, YES! And words cannot express how much this prospect excites me. If only we could raise Gloria Swanson from the dead for a cameo!!!

        • May 27, 2010 at 10:58 pm

          Fantastic insight. I’m bookmarking your post because I know I’ll be linking to it sooner or later.

  29. 205 pennydreadful
    May 27, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    “He offered his own drained blood to Sookie to sell or get high on. obviously he had ulterior motives for doing this but I think it shows V sales and consumption doesn’t bother him at all.”

    I also believe that Bill ulterior motives in offering Sookie his blood. However, as we’ve seen time and time again Bill constantly condemns others for what he, himself, has also done. It all goes back to his nasty little habit of projecting himself onto others. At any rate, I’m more convinced than ever of your theory that there was prior connection between Bill and the Rattrays.

    • 206 sunnynala
      May 27, 2010 at 9:23 pm

      Yes, because when you really think about the mechanics of the situation it would be impossible for a pair of humans to get a jacket off an unwilling vampire.

      I’m not sure about the Rattray connection being a separate mission,

      Well, I think it was all of a piece. Bill had to find a way to get his blood into Sookie and the draining was his first line of attack. Obviously, from the jacket clue and several others, he had made a deal with the Ratts in exchange for his blood. However, I’m not entirely certain the Ratts knew about his real motives, or rather I doubt they knew Sookie was supposed to intervene. Clearly, they had expected to take Bill to their trailer but for some reason the location, or ‘stage’, changed. Perhaps Bill realized he couldn’t lure Sookie out there and thought it best to go ahead with it in the parking lot? In any case, the Ratts were so genuinely infuriated with Sookie I don’t think they knew she was the ‘mark’.

      None of this precludes a prior connection between the Ratts and Bill. In fact, how else would they know Sookie would be alone in the parking lot that late because she was waiting for Bill? bthey were defrauded by their business partner (seems to be a pattern of his) and lost their lives for their trouble.

      • 207 MASpencer
        May 27, 2010 at 9:45 pm

        I think this is all TOTALLY possible Sunny. And I wonder if we’re ever going to get an answer about this, or not. Bill’s mission will come out eventually, I have no doubt… and it seems like a question someone would ask upon learning something like that. Well, I would ask… not so sure about Sookie. LOL.


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