Just Sayin’


Important Event #1
Bill would like to impress Sookie, her grandmother and the good folk of Bon Temps who are still a bit skeeved out by vampires. See Bill give a speech at Adele Stackhouse’s history club in front of the whole town, no less! This is a Big Deal.

He wears his Sunday best – casual, clean pressed shirt, and an inoffensive beige suit. Conservative and genteel, Bill is the very epitome of a Southern Gentleman.

Important Event #2
Bill requires an audience with his Queen, in order to secure her assistance with a pesky maenad. See Bill visit her palace, sans Sookie or the prying eyes of anyone from Bon Temps. This is a Big Deal.

He wears his Sunday best. Contemporary and stylish, Bill is the epitome of an urban metrosexual male in a black leather jacket, funky dark denim…


Damn, Bill! You look HOT! Really, you do! Especially when you swagger your fine ass down that walkway. In fact, I was so distracted by your triumphant return to your former hotness, that I didn’t even notice how completely removed from your usual clothing choices this ensemble actually is! You trickster Bill, you look nothing like the Bill Compton we know so well! You know, the one with a penchant for the slightly old fashioned in dowdy neutral tones. Jeans? Leather? You should keep it up! It’s sexy!

Important Event #3
Only 48 hours after his visit to the Queen, Bill plans to ask for his fair lady’s hand in marriage. See Bill take her to dinner and dancing at an upscale French restaurant. This is a Big Deal.

He wears his Sunday best – dark suit, crisp white shirt and a tie which is tastefully coordinated with Sookie’s dress (a deliberate choice, of course). Conservative and genteel, Bill is once again the very epitome of a Southern Gentleman.

Maybe Bill’s makeover wasn’t really working for him?

That’s the only possible explanation for this completely bizarre, out of character version of adult dress-ups…isn’t it?

“Not everyone wants to dress up and play human, Bill” – Diane (S01 – “Mine”).

Just Sayin’.

And while we’re on the subject of leather dress-ups…is anyone in the mood for a conspiracy theory?

Screencaps: black-celebration.net

233 Responses to “Just Sayin’”

  1. 1 Janofarc
    May 20, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Yep he’s definitely playing dress up for the people of BT.

  2. May 20, 2010 at 10:50 am

    THIS. When Bill made his first appearance, he was far more attractive, and he had dirty talk with a girl he had -just- met, -just- after he had been caught (? Let’s use the official version for now.) by drainers! This guy naturally doesn’t let any opportunity pass – unless he’s undercover under the guise of a southern gentleman.

  3. 3 stef
    May 20, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Glad I wasn’t the only one who took a double-take when I saw Bill in the jeans and leather jacket. I don’t know what it is, but I love a man in a leather jacket! For a split-second I was like…Eric Northman who?? But then I came back to my senses 🙂

  4. May 20, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Great look at Bill… i will agree Bill at the Queen’s compound looked hot…. He should dress more like Eric!!!

    Great work!

  5. 5 Kathy
    May 20, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Stephen in some interview, when asked about his change of appearance from the beginning of S1, said it was his idea, that he was trying to look like what Bill thought a normal person would look like for Sookie.

  6. May 20, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Oh man. Those jeans, that jacket, that looong slooow strut down the walkway was almost enough to make me forget my Bill hate.

    For a week I kept myself in check by telling myself to wait for Eric, wait for Eric. That image will even be sexier. Then Eric gets to the palace and completely dwarfs the Lilliputian walkway and is at the door in a few quick steps.

    Point made Mr. Ball, but I still would have liked to see Eric given the same treatment.

    • 7 sunnynala
      May 20, 2010 at 12:41 pm

      is anyone in the mood for a conspiracy theory?

      Do you really need to ask? 😀

      Point made Mr. Ball, but I still would have liked to see Eric given the same treatment.

      Though I would have loved to see it, if they had given Eric the same treatment AB might have had to deal with mass anti-Bill rioting. After seeing Eric in a sexy catwalk who could tolerate 35 min. of Bill and 5 min. of Eric in every episode?

    • 12 caratstick
      May 20, 2010 at 2:35 pm

      It was an interesting switch to see the Viking in a suit. And the Viking’s in a suit at the same time that Bill has adopted Eric’s usual vampire casual.

  7. 14 bridget
    May 20, 2010 at 11:54 am

    I also noted the change in bill from the first couple of episodes in season 1. when he arrived at merlotte’s, he looked kinda dirty and unkempt. after getting involved with sookie, he cleaned himself up and tamed the hair (how I wish the hair had remained untamed lol). could it be that he didn’t care for his assignment from QSA initially and made no effort, but changed his tune later?

    • 15 Sarah
      May 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm

      “could it be that he didn’t care for his assignment from QSA initially and made no effort, but changed his tune later?”

      This is one possible theory.
      But maybe he wanted to show her several “ideals” of men – the bad boy, the southern gentleman – and analyse which one she would prefer.
      Rewatch their first encounter: He isn´t that gentleman like and acts more like the bad boy, the kind of man maybe an uneducated waitress would prefer in his eyes. When he finds out that she is not attracted to him, he chances his strategy and “Bill” becomes “William Compton”. Always remember that man has a job to do…

      • May 20, 2010 at 12:43 pm

        Just so. Lorana knew that Bill was putting on an act for his human. That’s what the two of them did for decades. Don’t forget Guillem.

        • 17 VikingLover
          May 20, 2010 at 4:52 pm

          {Just so. Lorana knew that Bill was putting on an act for his human. }

          Oh yes, one of the best lines uttered by Lorena is: “As I recall, your appetite was always insatiable. This human act you do for your girlfriend is charming and all but we both know better.” I cannot wait to see their scenes in S3 so that we can learn more truths about Bill from Lorena.

          Sarah, I agree with you 100%

          • 18 Robin
            May 20, 2010 at 5:14 pm

            There are going to be some mighty upset fans of Bill this season when the mask is removed and his true nature is revealed. The truth is that AB has portrayed TB Bill to be much more romanticized than book Bill, and his true nature that is hiding behind the facade is much more sinister than that of book Bill, as well.

            • 19 Dwimordene
              May 20, 2010 at 5:21 pm

              It was imposible to like vampire Bill in the books at any time, much less since the cementery thing, where everything went from bad to worse… On TB I suposse it’s posible, at least if you find him attractive, he seems more romantic, and you can oversee a few things with his “suicidal” attempt… Though in s2 one begins to despise him…

              • 20 sunnynala
                May 20, 2010 at 5:47 pm

                I found myself bored to death with him before I ever started to hate his guts. LOL. How the BL’s could continue to swoon over that cold marble relic is just beyond me.

                • 21 Lkc
                  May 20, 2010 at 7:22 pm

                  Dwimordene I agree. Book Bill totally lost me at cemetary sex. If you have to have sex with someone because you are afraid they will kill you instead—does not speak of a healthy relationship to me. Prior to that he was rough with her but that was the icing on the cake for me. The BLS just see that as romantic! Huh? Color me confused. One die hard BL on CH’s site today said she is worried about Sookie’s safety with Eric, physical and emotional! Reality check is seriously needed!

                  • 22 Mony
                    May 20, 2010 at 11:30 pm

                    well…this die hard BL’s need someone to talk to…she really need help!
                    If there is someone who won’t ever harm on Sookie is Eric…and i don’t know what the else he has to do to prove that he can protecter and WANT protecter her!!!!!!!
                    Just Denial….so pity for them.

                  • 23 Ashley
                    May 21, 2010 at 3:28 am

                    Thats really dumb…Sookie is much safer with Eric than Bill…Eric has much better self control and doesnt jump into things without thinking, unlike Bill.

                    • 24 mallie1
                      May 21, 2010 at 4:44 am

                      I totally agree. Eric even waited to ‘reunite’ w Sookie until all of his ‘baggage’ was taken care of.

                    • 25 Dee
                      May 21, 2010 at 5:04 am

                      Well you know something bad might happen to her, he might lose his self control and practically drain and rape her in a trunk, or he can be enthralled with another woman and not want to come back to Sookie and just pay her off. Or maybe he’s been sent to seduce her, then Sookie will find out which will cause her heartbreak. Is that what they mean by physical and emotional lol

                      It’s always assumptions about Eric. They assume Eric didn’t care for her which was proven wrong, they assumed he was just using her and proven wrong. He has never broken her heart, betrayed her, caused her so much pain that she had to run out of a hospital hysterically crying and numb from her emotions. But it’s ok that someone has done all those things to her.

        • 26 Robin
          May 21, 2010 at 1:10 am

          Notice the irony in the first picture that SVB posted where Bill is speaking to the Descendants of the Glorious Dead club. Behind him is the cross of Jesus, the Christian flag and there is a picture of Jesus on the wall that is hidden behind by the poster.

          • May 21, 2010 at 1:27 am

            Yes. Especially with Jesus being nearly completely covered by the ‘Glorious Dead,’ the patriot banner thingy on the podium obscuring the Christian flag, and Bill standing in front of the immovable cross.

      • 28 pennydreadful
        May 20, 2010 at 1:03 pm

        I agree with you, Sarah. He’s trying on different roles for size and seeing which one will get the job done. Let’s not forget that Sookie basically told him how to seduce her when she said, “None of your nasty talk. You will speak to me like the lady I am!”

    • 29 Ericrocks
      May 20, 2010 at 2:02 pm

      Yep, season 1, episode 1, Bill was hot. He was actually what hooked me on TB. Then we went to Fangtasia. Bill who? But I still like this picture of Bill.

      • 30 ChelleInOz
        May 21, 2010 at 4:15 am

        Yep, thats a pretty hot pic….then Eric crooked his finger in that scene when Sookie first met him at Fantasia, and Bill faded like a week old hickey!

  8. May 20, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Hey nice pick up on the same jacket that Bill and Eric are seen wearing… well have to think on it!

    • May 20, 2010 at 12:25 pm

      THANK YOU! I thought I was going insane.

      • 33 Caitlin
        May 20, 2010 at 6:09 pm

        Very interesting!! Do you know when that screen cap of Eric is from? Is it possible the wardrobe dept messed up and gave Eric and Bill the same leather jacket the wear?

        I really want to hear your conspiracy theories? Did you think Bill took Eric’s jacket? If the screen cap of Eric is from season 3 and Eric is wearing Bill’s leather than doesn’t that hint at Eric’s involvement in Bill’s kidnapping. I don’t like that at all!

        Or perhaps it is more symbolic of how Bill really is just playing dress up, putting on a mask around Sookie. What do you guys think?

        • 34 Osterby
          May 20, 2010 at 11:00 pm

          I’m getting a mental picture of Bill in Eric’s leather: SWIMMING IN IT comes to mind. Our boy Eric would look like he had on child size jacket…Would Bill’s sleeves even come to Eric’s elbows?

      • 36 Gigi
        May 20, 2010 at 7:19 pm

        [“Oh, I took some night school courses in psychology,” said Bill Compton, vampire.
        And, I couldn’t help thinking, hunters always study their prey.] – DUD

        Actually, Bill wasn’t a random choice when SA sent him to get Sookie for her. He was chose because he had the necessary skills to manipulate; because Sookie can’t be glamour. So he is using them, not just with her, but also with those around her, including SA… because he actually wants to have Eric’s position and the power that Eric has in SA’s kingdom. That’s the message behind why he has the same jacket than Eric.

        Envious someone?

        • 37 Dwimordene
          May 20, 2010 at 11:11 pm

          This is very interesting, I hadn’t thought about it… It makes a lot of sense. All his defying attitude.

  9. 38 Kathy
    May 20, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I hope your saying it’s a uniform, cause Eric’s jacket on Bill? He’d be swimming in it! LOL!

  10. 39 pennydreadful
    May 20, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    There’s a parallel with Bill’s “makeover” and Nan Flanagan of the AVL’s transformation in the episode, “I Will Rise Up.” Previously, we had only see her character during various PR appearances. On television, she is the nonthreatening face of vampire rights with her tastefully tailored pastel suits and minimal make-up. However, back at the Hotel Carmilla (and away from prying human eyes) we see a entirely different side of Nan…she is dressed in an ubiquitous black leather jacket, sports slicked-back hair, and wears heavier makeup. The contrast between her cleverly crafted public persona and her private one is a shocking one. It hints that perception may not always be reality.

    • May 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm

      OH NICE.
      This is actually really obvious now that you point it out….

    • 41 Sarah
      May 20, 2010 at 12:48 pm

      Wunderful point. Her character reminds me always a bit of Bill. I don´t like her but I love watching her character, that I find highly fascinating. I think she has a hidden agenda and I want to know which one. Do you think she will play a more impoertant role in the following season?

      • 42 pennydreadful
        May 20, 2010 at 12:51 pm

        Sarah- I also think that Nan has a hidden agenda (and quite possibly sinister one, much in the same way that Bill does) that will slowly be revealed to viewers.

      • 43 sunnynala
        May 20, 2010 at 1:05 pm

        The agendas of political elites are never what they purport to be.

        The AVL and Nan purport to be an advocacy group for vampires but when Nan said “no one at the top has any sympathy for any of you” and felt comfortable ‘firing’ Godric, it told us that she is beholden to whatever the agenda is of the monarchs. Advocating for the rights of ordinary vampires is merely the credibility enhancing facade they wear. My guess is the AVL is a PR front for the monarchs, sort of like Tobacco companies mounting ‘stop smoking’ campaigns or oil companies funding ‘enviromental’ fronts and it’s all done to enhance their public image so that their REAL agendas are hidden behind an altruistic mask.

        Lipstick on a pig…

    • 44 ericsexytimes
      May 20, 2010 at 1:58 pm

      Nan’s style of dressing is the opposite of Pam’s. Nan dresses conservativly in pastels for her job but her off-duty choice of clothing is more “vampish.” Pam’s is the opposite; at Fangatasia she wears the vampy leather bustiers, but when she’s not at work, she looks like she shops at Ann Taylor.

    • 45 caratstick
      May 20, 2010 at 2:27 pm

      She’s like the reverse of Pam.

    • 47 morrissa
      May 20, 2010 at 2:44 pm

      This entire scene seemed to be a major foreshadowing to me. It struck me how very similar Nan and Eric looked (clothes, hair), and his slouching in contrast to her upright position was a symbol of their present power in the vampire community, but their positions opposite each other and her words, told me that these two are in for some epic power battles in the future.

      Or maybe I read too much into it all. (There, now I got myself caring again. Gotta stop doing that. But how can I, when Eric so is very fascinating? Damn.)

      • 48 sunnynala
        May 20, 2010 at 3:05 pm

        but their positions opposite each other and her words, told me that these two are in for some epic power battles in the future.

        Or maybe I read too much into it all.

        Nope, I think you’ve got it exactly right.

      • 50 Dwimordene
        May 20, 2010 at 5:31 pm

        Yap, I too think there is going to be something between them. She insulted both Godric and Eric, and challenged both of them (more Eric than Godric, as the second wasn’t fighting back). Surely Eric is digging in all this agenda and must be infuriated with her.

      • 51 Gigi
        May 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm

        [It struck me how very similar Nan and Eric looked (clothes, hair), and his slouching in contrast to her upright position was a symbol of their present power in the vampire community, but their positions opposite each other and her words, told me that these two are in for some epic power battles in the future.]

        Although I don’t think Nan has the physical power to fight him (because she actually shuddered when Eric stood up at Godric’s room), I really think it will be very possible to watch this, because she indeed has the support from the “the powers that be”. That’s why she dared to threaten him saying that she can remove him from his area.

  11. 52 Lkc
    May 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Ooooo-Nice pick up on the same jackets! This is TB there can be no way that is coincidence. The Queen’s uniform?

  12. May 20, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    It’s strange that Sookie didn’t pick up on the different appearance of Nan at the a** reaming of Godric.
    Nan looked positively nasty. Her personality certainly wasn’t the oh so reasonable rep for the TV AVL.
    So true Renee about Bill’s strut down that runway to QSA.. The walk made me think of a predator smug with success.

    • 54 sunnynala
      May 20, 2010 at 1:06 pm

      Well, Eric did tell the folk at Merlotte’s “don’t be fooled by the pretty blonde vampire on tv”.

    • 55 VikingLover
      May 20, 2010 at 1:13 pm

      It’s also the same slow mo strut he took as he walked toward the unsuspecting Chicago couple in the Hard Hearted Hannah episode. It’s as if we were being reminded who Bill really is under that southern gentleman facade – when he is in his own element and away from Sookie.

      • 56 MASpencer
        May 21, 2010 at 2:41 am

        What a good observation, VL! But it begs the question: Who is he fooling? Sookie… or the Queen?

        • 57 Gigi
          May 21, 2010 at 3:40 am

          He’s trying to fool both. I already wrote above that he is also trying to manipulate the Queen.

    • 58 Robin
      May 20, 2010 at 8:04 pm

      Bobsgran, I am not finding it strange at all. Sookie never questions, does not seem to pick up on much. Thus, the importance of the minisode involving Tara, Sookie and Lafayette where Tara questions Sookie about where Bill gets his money. Other people pick up on details, where she misses them.

      • May 20, 2010 at 8:15 pm

        She did seem to be more intent on scoping out Eric. Those sidelong glances.

        • 60 Robin
          May 20, 2010 at 8:19 pm

          Yes, she was doing an awful lot of looking around during that scene, and I think Eric noticed!

          • May 20, 2010 at 8:26 pm

            I get the feeling everyone noticed. Godric, Isobelle and of course Bill.

            • 62 Robin
              May 20, 2010 at 8:39 pm

              Yep, no wonder Bill gave her an engagement ring when they got back from Dallas! Bill probably could sense her emotions concerning Eric because of the blood.

        • 63 Gigi
          May 20, 2010 at 8:45 pm

          She also was worried for his feelings and was checking his reactions, because she knew (since she saw the Newlins in tv the night before) that Godric wasn’t kidnapped, but he went himself to the FotS. And she knew that Eric didn’t know that…

    • 64 Dee
      May 20, 2010 at 8:19 pm

      She was too busy staring at Eric the whole time hahaha. Maybe she interprets it similar to how she interprets Pam. Pam dresses up as a vamp because its how humans want to see her since it’s at a vampire bar and thats what they want to see, but in her personal time she is more like herself. She probably thought the same of Nan but the opposite, since she deals with humans on a different level, not fangbangers but convincing the public that vampires are good, she might realize that Nan dresses up to give that impression and again giving humans what they want but for a different reason. In her personal time she is more like herself. With Bill, she is blinded by love and I don’t think she even notices any difference. She probably just thinks he is trying to fit into life in Bon Temps and doesn’t think much about it past that.

  13. 65 sunnynala
    May 20, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    And again ya’ll, look at the pic of Eric in the leather jacket. He’s got that brick wall behind him but we know from the trailer that he’s got Sookie up against the wall of her front porch and there is NO brick. Sneaky f*ckers.

  14. May 20, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Bill was wearing the uniform when he returned to BT with the bull (har-har). Guess he didn’t have time to change.
    I did love the part where Sookie told him to bury the maenad droppings. It was a glimpse of the old Sook. She was not about to take any argument from anyone.

    • May 20, 2010 at 1:45 pm

      No leather jacket.

      We’ve seen this jacket once before. In the very first scene that Bill appeared before the Magister.

      Bill fronts up to an authority figure without Sookie…same jacket.

      • May 20, 2010 at 1:51 pm

        But Sookie was wearing a black leather jacket near the end of the scene when she went up to her bedroom to meet up with Bill. I guess it belonged to someone else.

        • 74 sunnynala
          May 20, 2010 at 1:53 pm

          No, it belonged to Bill. He took it off and gave it to her I guess because she was showing too much cleavage because it sure as hell wasn’t cold in Louisiana, especially with fires burning in the yard.

        • May 20, 2010 at 1:56 pm

          Nope. Sookie is wearing Bill’s jacket, hugging it tightly around herself while Tara delivers this dialogue:

          “I’m sorry I brought all this craziness into your house. I got sucked in…cos she made me feel like I was part of…a family”.

          • May 20, 2010 at 2:00 pm

            OK… I’m confused.

            • May 20, 2010 at 2:11 pm

              The jacket is a skin – not a literal object he is hiding from Sookie, per se.

              Now why is Eric wearing a jacket that is exactly the same style as Bill’s S2 jacket, in season 3?

              It’s the same jacket – same color, thin collar, zip up front, button at the neck, slit pockets on the chest, and no bands around the sleeves.


              This is not a coincidence.

              • May 20, 2010 at 2:16 pm

                He is hiding his true self from Sookie… the faker she saw him as in her dream.

              • May 20, 2010 at 2:18 pm

                I get that. I think we talking at cross purposes.

              • 82 sunnynala
                May 20, 2010 at 2:23 pm

                Now why is Eric wearing a jacket that is exactly the same in season 3?

                That is the question, isn’t it? I confess I am reluctant to explain my theory because so many are skeptical of my ‘false narrative’ theory of the maenad killing.

                However, if I were forced to explain (hold on to your hats) I would have to say, since Bill wore it for the queen and then at the maenad ritual, and since I have theorized that Sookie wearing the black jacket after the maenad killing symbolized a ‘cover-up’, in Bill’s mind, of her being covered with MA’s black blood (because in ‘reality” she hugged a black-blood covered ERIC instead of Sam), I would have to say that ERIC wearing the exact same jacket is symbolic of Bill trying to usurp and ‘put on’ Eric’s persona, his heroics, his essence<<which of course is also literally carried out by TB by giving Bill some of BookEric's deeds.

                Did that even make sense? LOL.

              • 83 Serena
                May 20, 2010 at 3:13 pm

                Whoa nelly!! I don’t think its the exact same. here’s a better look at Eric’s jacket: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3712/screencap4575826.png

                It looks like he has a patch pocket with a zipper, and Bill’s doesn’t. And the piping doesn’t go all the way across.

                • 84 sunnynala
                  May 20, 2010 at 3:26 pm

                  I think the ‘pocket’ you are seeing actually is the piping that runs across the breast.

                  Regardless, the jackets do not have to be exactly exactly the same, just close enough to make the point. If it is a pocket on Eric’s jacket, it is enough like Bill’s piping you can hardly tell the difference.

                  Even so, a copy of the original is never perfect. 😉

                  • 85 Serena
                    May 20, 2010 at 3:33 pm

                    lol. I just can’t accept Eric would wear something that is so close to Bills. lol. You know I’m starting to think Bill’s jacket is made of pleather. How can Bum Bill afford a real leather jacket? Unless he stole it. lol.

                    • 86 sunnynala
                      May 20, 2010 at 3:43 pm

                      Well, look at it this way: BILL is actually copying Eric, we’re just seeing it in reverse.

                      And yes, Bill probably stole the jacket just like he does everything, including his persona.

    • 87 TROSE
      May 20, 2010 at 3:08 pm

      Bill also wears this jacket in Season 1, EP 9. When he, Eric, Pam, and Chow go into Merlotte’s to tell Sookie goodbye after he killed Longshawdow.

  15. May 20, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    I would have to say that ERIC wearing the exact same jacket is symbolic of Bill trying to usurp and ‘put on’ Eric’s persona, his heroics, his essence<<which of course is also literally carried out by TB by giving Bill some of BookEric's deeds.

    Yes you crazy bitch! This makes sense 😛

    I’m now convinced that there is a connection being built here bc this is pretty damn overt. It would be even more overt watching the DVD’s sequentially without a nine month break in between. Bill wears this jacket in the finale, Eric wears it the following episode for the season premiere. Ball has commented repeatedly about how he likes to view a TV series in one big sit down, and how this influences his writing.

    Now I’m wondering how this ties in with the hair (IT’S ALL ABOUT THE FUCKING HAIR OK?). Season 2, Bill gets an auburn rinse and a leather jacket. Season 3, Eric gets the same deal.


    • 90 sunnynala
      May 20, 2010 at 3:00 pm

      Yes you crazy bitch! This makes sense


      Ball has commented repeatedly about how he likes to view a TV series in one big sit down, and how this influences his writing.

      YES. If you view TB as a series of 12 hour films it all comes together.

      Season 2, Bill gets an auburn rinse and a leather jacket. Season 3, Eric gets the same deal.

      I don’t have a complete handle on it, but to me, a sort of ‘reversal’ meme is being carried out here. If you view these facts sequentially it looks like ERIC is copying Bill. But as you yourself pointed out in relation to Eric in the previews for the s2 finale, there are so many instances of ‘reversals’, or of what is ‘apparent’ actually being the ‘opposite’, that it is almost a no brainer to view it the other way around.

      • 91 VikingLover
        May 20, 2010 at 4:55 pm

        [I don’t have a complete handle on it, but to me, a sort of ‘reversal’ meme is being carried out here. If you view these facts sequentially it looks like ERIC is copying Bill. But as you yourself pointed out in relation to Eric in the previews for the s2 finale, there are so many instances of ‘reversals’, or of what is ‘apparent’ actually being the ‘opposite’, that it is almost a no brainer to view it the other way around.]

        Sunny, this is brilliant. I love it. 🙂

        • 92 sunnynala
          May 20, 2010 at 5:33 pm

          Thank you VL! It all goes back to the quote by Malcolm X I have on my “About” page:

          “The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”

          THIS is exactly why we see so many of Bill’s delusions. AB is making the point that you can’t trust media narratives because they can and will create and prop up false “heroes” and slander and character assassinate innocent “villains” in accordance with elite agendas. IOW, elite agendas are the ‘reverse’ or opposite of reality, the common good, and commonly accepted moral precepts so the media has to create illusions/delusions to convince us otherwise.

    • 93 Robin
      May 20, 2010 at 3:11 pm

      This is some deep shit guys. I am totally amazed at the amount of thought that goes into planning these episodes of TB. It can’t be all coincidence. The average TB viewer is not going to put all of this together unless they take the time and really dig deep. I have a question, how do most of you feel about the scene in S2 episode 10 where Sookie goes to comfort Eric after Godric meets the sun? Do you think that really happened? Did Eric really bite her? Was she remembering that when she was on the way home from Dallas? Or, was she daydreaming? I think most people would assume it is another dream sequence, but I think it may have happened.

      • 94 sunnynala
        May 20, 2010 at 3:18 pm

        I think it happened but not exactly as we saw it.

        It is my theory that Eric aggressively biting her at the end of the dream is the influence of Bill’s blood in her.

        I think she romanticized the rest of it, (because really, it was a scene right out of a Harlequin Romance) and I think he may actually have tried to kiss her but she pulled away.

        • May 20, 2010 at 3:27 pm

          I haven’t discounted the possibility that this scene actually happened either.

          But I didn’t see Eric’s biting in that scene as aggressive. He unsheathed his fangs – and he allowed her to feel them, to touch them and take in what was happening – before she made a conscious choice to offer her neck.

          He waited for her tacit approval.

          Because that’s how he rolls 😉

          • 96 sunnynala
            May 20, 2010 at 3:34 pm

            Oh yes I know! and I do not disagree with anything you say. But when it came down to actually biting her it was almost like he swooped in for the kill–just like Bill would have done and has done. I can’t imagine Eric wouldn’t approach such a sacred rite with anything less than gentle seductiveness and even a bit of reverence.

          • 98 Robin
            May 20, 2010 at 3:37 pm

            Yes, like she consciously made the decision to offer herself to him. And then, her hair was down on the way home to Bon Temps, during the rest of the episode.

          • 99 KC
            May 20, 2010 at 7:02 pm

            and *that’s* why we love him.

        • 100 Robin
          May 20, 2010 at 3:33 pm

          Do you think she even kissed Eric to comfort him at all? This reminds me of the above picture of Eric and Sookie with the bricks in the background. As a viewer, you never know what to believe.

          • 101 sunnynala
            May 20, 2010 at 3:40 pm

            I wouldn’t be surprised if she kissed the tears on his face. It is SO something Sookie would actually do.

            Renee noticed there were odd angles and positioning in the dream when where Eric grabs her hand and pulls her into a kiss. It was awkward and didn’t like seem a logical progression of movement. She thinks right at this point is when the reality diverges into Sookie’s romantic dream. Instead of allowing the kiss, she pulled away and left him and is now dreaming of ‘what if’ she had stayed?

            • 102 Robin
              May 20, 2010 at 3:50 pm

              So, in reality, after she kisses the tears on his face, she pulls away and leaves. At this point, her memory becomes a daydream? I don’t know, I still think it is more likely that this whole scene could have happened. And yes, Sunny, Sookie has such a good heart that I can totally see her leaving Godric and going to Eric to comfort him, especially after seeing how upset he was.

            • 104 MollyS
              May 21, 2010 at 3:10 am

              I agree with this theory and have also wondered if maybe this wasn’t real. After rewatching it just now (for research purposes only, you understand – haha), I also noticed that as Sookie is kissing his cheeks Eric has the same amazed, “oh shit, I can’t believe this is happening” expression that he has in that first 30 second trailer from last week where Sookie talks about her skills and looks like she’s going to kiss him. Anyone have the skills to capture and compare those still shots?

              • May 21, 2010 at 3:32 am

                You’re right, and that scene after Godric was the first thing that came to mind when I saw his face in that trailer. It’s the exact same expression.

                Ball has been carrying on that there is “something” about Sookie that is drawing Eric – the deer in headlights look he has on his face whenever she’s around lately is starting to worry me.

                If he makes this whole attraction based on her fucking fairy blood I think I will stab something.

                • 106 Gigi
                  May 21, 2010 at 4:06 am

                  [It’s the exact same expression.
                  Ball has been carrying on that there is “something” about Sookie that is drawing Eric – the deer in headlights look he has on his face whenever she’s around lately is starting to worry me.]…

                  Honestly, it worry me too, because he has been highlighting lot that this season he will explore more about Sookie’s powers and where they come from. And it’s odd to have the same exact reaction from Eric towards her on two different seasons… (which in fact reminds me a lot the reaction of Edward towards Bella in “Twilight”).

                • May 21, 2010 at 4:11 am

                  if the fairy blood thing is the case, then AB will have scored a twofer in the pissing us off department. first the hair, and then that…

                  here’s hoping he attempts to stay true to the character :/

                  • 108 Kathy
                    May 21, 2010 at 11:45 am

                    ….and will give the BLs another boon! And another reason to celebrate B/S true love (because they won’t consider that Bill would be attracted to her for the same reason).

                • 109 VikingLover
                  May 21, 2010 at 5:38 am

                  Don’t worry Girls, I honestly don’t think they’ll have Eric be attracted simply because of the fairy blood. He wants her because he wants her and he’s going to fall inlove with her despite/regardless of the fairy blood. I think it’s like the books, the blood might make her slightly more attractive in some ways and draw them to her but it’s not enough to create love. At least not by scent. Whether it’s addictive once ingested, which is a theory that’s out there right now based on QSA’s statements, remains to be seen. But Eric has not had her blood yet so if he’s starting to care for her than it’s def not because of that. If it were the blood (simply by scent) then every single vampire on the show would be inlove with Sookie and that’s definitely not the case. The deer in headlights look might simply because he really is shocked at what’s happening (we were too lol).

                  • 110 Dee
                    May 21, 2010 at 5:49 am

                    Exactly, and then the same can be said about Bill being with her. We’ll also see that not every vampire will be attracted to her. I agree, I think his shocked face is only natural. Also, to me it shows he has feelings for her. I’m sure most women throw themselves at him and he is used to it and his reaction is quite different. The fact that Sookie can even make him react like that is a good thing in my eyes.

                    • 111 VikingLover
                      May 21, 2010 at 6:01 am

                      Exactly. All of the other vampires (Malcom, Liam, Stan, etc) weren’t clamoring at her door to have her. They didn’t give a poop about her one way or the other.

                  • 112 Dwimordene
                    May 21, 2010 at 10:17 am

                    Yap. We don’t have to worry, BL have.

                    The expression is because he is socked by her affection. She always seem to depise him, to fight him… Even when both know that she is attracted (at least physically) to him, she doesn’t admit it (to herself or others). And then, she shows affection, she behaves in a different way than she usually does around Bill, she shows mercy and kindness towards him.

                    About her fairy blood (or whatever they are making), she might smell slightly differently (Lorena didn’t find any different from the bellboy until she tried him) but I don’t think that would make any difference, just better perfume. It comes to the ecuation when she is feed upon, which means that is Bill who would be attracted to her because of her blood. Eric hasn’t tried her yet and I hope he doesn’t for longer time.

                    It’s true that both Eric and Pam were attracted to her from the begining and all the others (the only one who didn’t show it in the first scene is Bill), but remember that Diane said virgins smell better; and she had also had Bill’s blood which would make her body look better (as it heals everything) and she is not an ugly woman (lol)… And she is with a vampire (which would make her more appealing). And for Eric, she seems very different to the average girl that goes to his bar, so no wonder he would want to have a change on the menu, lol.

                  • 113 Robin
                    May 21, 2010 at 11:48 am

                    I think I agree with this too VL. Again, another reason why he probably did not bite her in the “dream sequence”. My feeling is he will develop feelings for her before he has her blood, which I think is already happening.

              • 114 Gigi
                May 21, 2010 at 3:48 am

                Molly you can watch the complete sequence here:


                • 115 Dwimordene
                  May 21, 2010 at 10:22 am

                  It’s a pitty that Ball didn’t show the fabric of the sheets when she enters the room, to she whether they are cotton or silk… To compare to the first dream… In the second part they are silky, I wonder how they were in the first part, but hotels usually have them in cotton.

          • May 20, 2010 at 3:54 pm

            If you watch carefully, she kisses his tears then she gives him a sweet little kiss on his upper lip, he deepens the kiss and when he comes back for more, her shoulders tense, her body pulls back, and the next thing that we should see is Sook saying, “We can’t.” Instead the shot is cut, and Eric is laying her on the bed. The editing job is as bad as that bus poster because their positions have totally changed. You can’t get to her reclining and his hovering position from him sitting on the side of the bed and her standing in front of him. I think when she pulls away is the place where reality stops, and Sookie’s imagination takes over.

            • 118 Robin
              May 20, 2010 at 4:00 pm

              Yes, I do remember it was odd that the scene jumped to him laying her back on the bed. Maybe they did that on purpose for those of us that actually pay closer attention to the show, to indicate that she is switching from a memory to a romantic daydream. Thanks Renee, TB is such a trip!

            • 119 Gigi
              May 20, 2010 at 11:50 pm

              I agree with you. I always have thought that the first part of the sequence was real. Though I know that the second part wasn’t real and was really a dream, because Bill easily could notice the fangs marks on her neck when she returned to their hotel room. The second part was indeed a dream. The way she offered to Eric her neck and her blood was her unconscious worry and fear of his death, because he already had told Godric that he wanted to die with him in the roof. Hence she offered him her blood (her life) in order for him to continue alive. It was also the way her subconcious accepted the vampire nature in him.

              • May 21, 2010 at 1:57 am

                Here’s the thing that stumps me about the dream. The week after it came out, someone posted a detailed analysis of that scene. They showed that the fuzzy glowy dream filter dream lens was used in some of the shots. You can tell for sure because of the lines on Sookie’s dress. Sometimes they are crisp and in others they’re out of focus. The problem is that the fuzzy, dreamy focus isn’t always the part you would expect to be the dream.

                I just watched again to make sure of the sequence:

                The walk down the hallway starts out of focus. About halfway down, the camera position changes to show Sookie from behind. Now the stripes are sharp and in focus. They remains so through the beginning of Sookie and Eric’s conversation.

                The dreamy focus starts again when Sookie bends down to kiss Eric’s tears and continues until she caresses his fangs. When the camera returns to her, the dream focus is off, Eric is hovering over her, and those stripes are crystal clear when she offers her neck to him.

                It makes no sense that the kiss would be a dream but the bite wouldn’t. Maybe the fuzziness indicates something other than a dream, but I’m at a loss. Any ideas? Sunny? Oh, Sunny?

                • 121 sunnynala
                  May 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm

                  LOL! IDK, but I think it is just indicative of the fact that the dream was a mixture of real and fantasy and it’s up to us to figure out which is which, based on what we know of the characters and circumstances.

                  • May 21, 2010 at 12:40 pm

                    Well I’ve been ruminating over this,and what you said yesterday about the bite helped me make sense of it. Assume that it’s either all a dream or all reality. The two camera lenses are indicative of Sookie’s different filters. The dreamy glowy conversation and kiss are romanticized, and the bite is viewed through Bill’s ‘Eric is scary and evil.’ filter.

                    Now my problem is that this theory doesn’t work with my theory for why the scene was edited so poorly that I talked about yesterday.

                    Sigh. Alan Ball is killing me.

                    • 123 sunnynala
                      May 21, 2010 at 12:50 pm

                      That makes sense to me, Renee. As for the editing I suppose we could just put it down to the fact that it is a dream after all and material world logic wouldn’t apply.

                    • 124 Robin
                      May 21, 2010 at 1:00 pm

                      Lets think about this. She was in the car on the way home daydreaming, remembering. I think that is a good reason for why some of the scene is seems to be shown through a dreamy filter. As for the bite, Bobsgran is correct. The only reference she has to biting is Bill, and he is not gentle when he bites Sookie. That part was the daydream, not the memory. She is visualizing that Eric would bite her in the same manner because he is a vampire too, after all.

                  • May 21, 2010 at 12:49 pm

                    To me the bite part was the fantasy or daydream. The only frame of reference Sookie has for a love nip is Bill, and he isn’t subtle.
                    Eric was more restrained with the blood prostitute. He didn’t chomp the way Bill does on all occasions.

        • May 20, 2010 at 10:30 pm

          i hope he didn’t actually bite her. I recall that vampire at the tribunal having his fangs removed for feeding on someone else’s human :/

          • 127 VikingLover
            May 20, 2010 at 11:24 pm

            Wow, that’s really interesting Feather. I completely forgot about that part from the tribunal. Hmmm, I’ll have to think about this…

            • May 20, 2010 at 11:31 pm

              well, i watched that episode at the gym today, so it was fresh in my mind.

              (yes, i actually have a few episodes from season 1 on my ipod, heh)

            • May 20, 2010 at 11:35 pm

              and now that i think on it, i bet Beeeeeeehl would be the type to press charges, too!

              • 130 Charlotte
                May 20, 2010 at 11:43 pm

                However, if Sookie gave in to him or her own free will then Bill has no choice but to accept it.

                • May 20, 2010 at 11:55 pm

                  how would that be proven, i wonder. it’s not as though Sookie could testify… but it would also be Bill’s word vs a Sheriff’s word, and I bet the magister would be more likely to listen to Eric anyway.

                  THEN AGAIN the whole thing is rather unlikely, it’s just something that floated into my mind.

                  • May 21, 2010 at 12:02 am

                    I seriously still and always will subscribe to Sunny’s alternate Bullet Sucking scene. What we saw didn’t happen. Sookie freely sucked the bullets out, and wasn’t tricked. Bill rationalised what he saw, which was Sookie straddling Eric in a sexual way, sucking the bullets out. His ‘Southern Belle’ in his mind, wouldn’t have done something like that. Even though i don’t believe it happened in that scene, i believe we will see Bill react to Sookie like he has to Jessica and Lorena in the past, throwing them across the room… maybe after another blood donation by Eric in s3. Past behaviour predicts future behaviour, and i think we will see this. I can’t for the life of me see Sookie continue a relationship with Bill if that already has happened, but then again this is Sookie, the subservient and good wife.

                    • 133 Robin
                      May 21, 2010 at 12:16 am

                      That is an interesting theory that Sunny has there. So, the audience was seeing the bullet sucking scene from Bill’s POV, seeing how he rationalized what happened, instead of Sookie’s or a third person’s POV? I doubt there are many people that would have come to that conclusion after watching that scene. Although, I do have to say that Sookie calling Eric an “A-hole” sounded really OOC. I agree that something was really off about that scene.

                    • May 21, 2010 at 12:28 am

                      Robin: That is why Sunny’s theory stands out for me.. that how scene is totally out of context for the rest of one of the best episodes we’ve seen. Just prior to the bomb going off we have Sookie swearing it up at Lorena, with ‘Fucking Bitch’ as the best we got. And now in the BSS.. we have Sookie unable to even call him an asshole… it just doesn’t fit.

                    • May 21, 2010 at 12:51 am

                      Oh and calling him a “Monster!” while burying her face in Bill’s chest.
                      It was completely bizarre, the whole thing.

                      But I can’t quite bring myself around to Sunny’s theory…I’m still on the fence with this one.

                    • 136 Kathy
                      May 21, 2010 at 1:00 am

                      Yeah, I’m still on the fence as well, but we all commented on how in one episode she curses and in another she’s prim. Again, I ascribe it to laziness. As I always say, “Time will tell.” And it better tell us sooner rather than later!

                    • 137 VikingLover
                      May 21, 2010 at 5:43 am

                      Robin, if the 2nd dream sequence were actually real then E or S will make some mention of it in S3. That’s how we’ll know but now I honestly don’t think it was real. The bullet sucking thing, in my opinion, happened exactly as we saw it unfortunately.

                    • May 21, 2010 at 11:18 am

                      I didn’t find so OOC Sookie saying A-hole and Monster.
                      With Lorena, she was really pissed off, in a way that made her lose good manners and forget about having in front of her a lethal vampire. Sookie was really infuriated.

                      With Eric, she was not. I think she didn’t even understand why Bill was so upset. But she saw shock and horror in his face and (consciously or not I don’t know) she put her Southern Belle mask on. And a southern belle doesn’t curse even when she’s upset.
                      Sookie always behaves differently from her real self when with Bill. She wants to please him, to adapt to what he sees in her.

                  • 139 Robin
                    May 21, 2010 at 1:20 am

                    So, short of asking AB himself, how does one go about proving if all of these theories are correct? For instance, the second “dream sequence”, how do we ever truly know if that really happened? Or, how do we really what occurred during the bullet sucking scene? So frustrating!

    • 141 EricObsessed
      May 20, 2010 at 7:24 pm

      Don’t forget Eric wore his leather jacket in season 2 “Timebomb” Episode at the Fellowship of the Sun church to rescue Godric and Sookie (and looked f*ing hot while doing it)!!! Maybe they just have them wear the jackets when they think they need to be BAMFs. LOL

      • 142 EricObsessed
        May 20, 2010 at 7:34 pm

        Whoops. Posted that in the wrong spot.

        You guys are totally blowing my mind. I love that comforting scene and must admit to watching it (way) more than once and it NEVER occurred to me that it actually happened. I always assumed it was a dream since they cut to her waking up in the van. Very tricky.

        • 143 Robin
          May 20, 2010 at 8:11 pm

          Right, because she had recently had a romantic dream about Eric while in bed. There is no doubt in my mind that most people would assume that scene was a dream. AB is manipulating what we see on the surface versus what actually happens.

          • 144 Dwimordene
            May 20, 2010 at 8:36 pm

            Yap… This makes me rethink…

            In the “first” dream, we can see a lot of differences in the place, and you know it is a dream before you see Eric behind her (the sheets). In the “second” one, I haven’t found anything changed about the place (yet, at least).

            I really thought the second one was not a dream, until she woke up. It still disturb me the great detail of the place and its accuracy, because in the first one we didn’t see more than the bed and Lorenas chair, both of them irreal.

            I don’t know if it was full reallity and she just awoke from anotheer different dream (that could have Eric too, though) or we got part of the reallity mixed with a dream in the second part, or if all of it was a dream.

            Now I want to doubt it was a dream all of it (because of the way we are shown the place), so I’m thinking on the other two… Or hope to, because it is still unclear. But what I do believe is that the first part, at least, did happen. Comparing the dreams, it wouldn’t make sense to be one.

            • 145 Robin
              May 20, 2010 at 8:51 pm

              I think she was daydreaming in the car, not sleeping, and for me there are two possible scenarios of what took place:

              1. She is remembering what took place, the first part of the scene, where she goes to his room, kisses his tears and pulls away from Eric, and then the scene turns into a daydream, how she would have like for the scene to play out, where he lays her back on the bed and bites her.

              2. She is remembering what took place, which is the entire scene.

              And, when I say Sookie was remembering, she was daydreaming.

              • 146 EricObsessed
                May 20, 2010 at 9:13 pm

                Okay, so I just went back and watched both “dream” sequences and you guys are totally right! The first is obviously a dream, it has that fuzzy look, she keeps pulling away hearing Lorena who’s not there, etc and then the second, in the next episode, is clear and there is nothing else going on to make you think it is a dream. It starts when she’d be walking directly from the roof after watching Godric meet the sun and continues from there. They just make you think it was all a dream since it cuts to her waking up and Jason asking her what she was dreaming about. She says, “Bill” and looks guilty as hell. So even if it all didn’t happen, she at least kissed him!

                • 147 Robin
                  May 20, 2010 at 9:25 pm

                  So what is your opinion EO, do you think the entire scene happened, and she let him bite her? In the books, Eric had already had Sookie’s blood twice by the end of LDID, so I do think it is possible that AB would make that happen without letting the audience realize it had happened.

                  • 148 Dwimordene
                    May 20, 2010 at 10:11 pm

                    😀 And that would explain Sookie being shocked and hurt when finding Eric with Ybetta. lol… There would not be a reason otherwise…

                    • 149 Robin
                      May 20, 2010 at 10:24 pm

                      She will probably be shocked for sure, but she has no right to be hurt. After all, she accepted an engagement ring from Bill. I am sure she will think about it though, and that may be a motivating factor for her coming onto him in Jackson at Alcide’s apartment.

                    • 150 VikingLover
                      May 20, 2010 at 11:10 pm

                      {and she let him bite her?}

                      No, I don’t think Eric has tasted Sookie yet. He told the Queen he hadn’t had Sookie’s blood and he wasn’t lying. From what he have seen of Eric so far on TB, he doesn’t lie. Even when he tries to lie he sucks at it and then just gives up/gives in and ends up telling the truth. Lorena was not kidding when she told Eric that he was a terrible liar. This is another big contrast to Bill that many people overlook. And I’m not just saying that because I’m idealizing the character (lol) but because it really is a fact from what we have seen so far on TB. He was even honest with the Queen when she asked him – his answer to her was: “SADLY no”. He gave himself away for sure. Maybe that will change next season but I don’t think so. I’m really intrigued to see how he dupes Talbot ’cause dude sucks at the “duping”. I can’t even believe Sookie fell for the whole “I’m dying” thing. lol

                      In any case, you guys have really made me rethink that whole “dream” sequence! Right now I’m kind of on the fence about it only because when it does happen, that they kiss etc, I want to be fully aware of it! lol I don’t want it hidden like it would have been in this instance. So I prefer to think that if anything did happen between them in that sequence, that it didn’t go very far. I think that what really happened was that she stood by his door and probably had a moment of internal struggle where she wanted to knock but then didn’t and just went into her room. Then in the car with Jason, she was dreaming/daydreaming/fantasizing about what would have happened. I also think this could be the case because she asked Lafayette if he had had any dreams so it makes me think that both were dreams. If she only had one dream she would have thought it was a fluke but the fact that she asked Lafayette about it tells me that it happened more than once. And if it wasn’t a dream and she did actually comfort him, then I would agree with Renee and say that she possibly kissed the tears but then walked away. Anyway, I kind of hope it was a dream because like I said, I want to know it’s happening when it’s happening! 🙂

                    • 151 Dwimordene
                      May 20, 2010 at 11:17 pm

                      VL: She could have had more dreams… We don’t have to be shown everything…

                      I hadn’t remember that he said he hadn’t taste her blood, so yap, that part at least can’t be real… The way he bite her wasn’t very accord to the momment either.

                  • 152 EricObsessed
                    May 20, 2010 at 11:21 pm

                    Well, it’s hard to be objective here because I want it to have happened so much. However, it’s true he told the queen he never tasted her, I still believe all the kissing, etc. happened. Lets not forget they didn’t actually show him biting her. It was implied. That’s where they ended the scene.

                    • May 20, 2010 at 11:32 pm

                      VL: I totally agree with you, that Eric hasn’t tasted her yet. I can’t remember if it was on Sunny’s blog, or just talk over on Red Wiki but we were throwing around that Sookie’s blood is addictive, and has forced Bill to fall for her. Even QSA said to Eric that he shouldn’t taste her, ‘Because one Vampire falling in love is bad enough’.

                    • 154 VikingLover
                      May 20, 2010 at 11:34 pm

                      Oh yeah, for sure. The kissing could have very well happened. Don’t worry though, we’re going to get some awesome E/S moments in S3 and then of course in S4! 🙂

                    • 155 Robin
                      May 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm

                      Okay, VikingLover, you have me convinced that my first option actually took place.

                      [She is remembering what took place, the first part of the scene, where she goes to his room, kisses his tears and pulls away from Eric, and then the scene turns into a daydream, how she would have liked for the scene to play out, where he lays her back on the bed and bites her.]

                      BTW, I loved Eric’s response to SA when she asked if he had tasted her – “sadly, no” LOL!

                    • 156 VikingLover
                      May 20, 2010 at 11:53 pm

                      DazedRose, I have definitely heard that theory. I believe it was on Miss Sunny’s blog. 🙂 I’m kind of on the fence about that too. On the one hand I think it’s a possibility but then on the other hand I don’t know if QSA just said that to prevent Eric from bonding with Sookie further. The only problem I see with Bill actually being inlove with Sookie (whether due to the blood or through the natural course of things) is the proposal. I just can’t see Bill proposing to Sookie without telling her that she was in danger from the Queen if he truly loved her or was even remotely fond of her – whether the love was induced by the blood or not. The fact that he moved forward with that proposal makes me think that he feels nothing. Then there is also MaryAnn’s warning to Sookie that there was nothing stopping Bill from leaving her. So, I’m torn right now on whether Sookie’s blood is addictive. I’m dying to see if this is the case though!

                      Oh and about the possible dream sequence, another thing that makes me think that it was a dream is that Eric would have already been in his daytime sleep by the time Sookie went back to her room. Unless he was so grief stricken that he fought against it and remained awake which could definitely be a possibility.

                    • 157 VikingLover
                      May 21, 2010 at 12:01 am

                      Robin, I hope it’s more that because like I said, I want to see them kiss for real and know that it’s for real! 🙂

                    • 158 Robin
                      May 21, 2010 at 12:08 am

                      The problem is that AB has set a precedent for us, hasn’t he? How are we going to know what is really happening between those two? I think most people assume that scene was a dream sequence because they would expect nothing else at this point in the series. AB has pulled one over on everyone.

                    • 159 VikingLover
                      May 21, 2010 at 6:11 am

                      Robin, the only precedent that AB has set so far has been that we can’t take what is said and shown about the characters themselves at face value. You have to look a little deeper to see what’s really going on with them. Like for example, Bill’s heroics when it comes to Sookie. At first glance you think it’s because he loves her. However, if you look past that initial impression, then you see that he’s actually doing it because he’s been asked to do so. That type of thing. However, AB has set no precedent yet (as far as I know) that what is happening in the scenes themselves isn’t exactly what is happening. That’s just a theory that’s been kicked around.

                    • May 21, 2010 at 11:45 am

                      I’m with VL. I want it to be a dream because I can’t stand the idea that Sookie and Eric have already kissed each other and we all thought it was a dream.

                      [I want to know it’s happening when it’s happening!]

                      Me too… 🙂
                      And I doubt that such a turning point in their relationship would have been masked as a dream.
                      But I’m sure Sookie wanted to go comfort Eric, maybe bring him Godric’s shirt, and then something stopped her. It would be nice if Sookie took Godric’s shirt and kept it and in the next season she’ll give it to Eric.

                    • 161 VikingLover
                      May 21, 2010 at 3:30 pm

                      [And I doubt that such a turning point in their relationship would have been masked as a dream.}

                      Hime, I agree. If this had been real there would have been a “tell” at some point – something to let the audience know that it had really happened. This was not the case, the story moved forward instead. So far on TB there are always “tells” that let us know when something is a false perception, etc. This is why I don’t think the dream sequence was real. Like I said, if it is not mentioned within the first 1-2 eps of S3 then it really was just a dream.

                      {But I’m sure Sookie wanted to go comfort Eric, maybe bring him Godric’s shirt, and then something stopped her. It would be nice if Sookie took Godric’s shirt and kept it and in the next season she’ll give it to Eric.}

                      I was hoping for this too!! I always wondered if Sookie kept Godric’s shirt and if she was going to give it to Eric as a memento. I hope so. That would be wonderful. 🙂

  16. May 20, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    speaking of dressing all in black:

    not my caps, but i thought ya’ll might like to see them.

  17. 166 sunnynala
    May 20, 2010 at 6:19 pm

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  18. 167 Caitlin
    May 20, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    wow such deep symbolism and insightful comments! I agree, I don’t think the average viewer really thinks about half of this. It really is a shame!

    I find the symbolism of the leather jackets really interesting, for what it could speak to about both characters and false appearances.

    My only fear is what it could mean in a more literal sense. Do any of you think AB would have Eric take Bill’s jacket and could Eric somehow be part of the kidnapping? I would really hate this and I think it is a really poor path to take the characters. But after reading your comments it seems less likely to me. Right?? *fingers crossed*

    • 168 Dee
      May 20, 2010 at 6:40 pm

      I wouldn’t worry about that. Eric wouldn’t be able to fit into bill’s jacket for one and we see that Eric will have Alcide help Sookie find Bill in Jackson. Eric had nothing to do with it.

  19. May 20, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    i love that you all pick up on these things! i love reading these discussions you have 🙂

  20. 170 CarolB
    May 20, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    “wow such deep symbolism and insightful comments! I agree, I don’t think the average viewer really thinks about half of this. It really is a shame!”
    I was an average viewer until I found this place and now I’m analysing everything!
    The leather jackets seem to be making an appearance every time the vamps are dealing with royalty/authority (or Nan working on behalf of the powers that be). Maybe it’s their formal vamp attire?

    • 171 Robin
      May 20, 2010 at 8:16 pm

      LOL, it is bad news getting hooked on this! I started out analyzing the SVM books and now have added TB to further complicate matters!

  21. 172 Lkc
    May 20, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Does anyone remember or have pics of the black leather jacket Eric wore in season 1? It was during the scene when Bill asks him to take care of jessica.

  22. 173 KC
    May 20, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    I think it’s their “I take no shit – I am *vampire*” attire. Going to have to get myself a black leather jacket soon.

  23. 174 ChelleInOz
    May 20, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    “Damn, Bill! You look HOT! Really, you do! Especially when you swagger your fine ass down that walkway. In fact, I was so distracted by your triumphant return to your former hotness, that I didn’t even notice how completely removed from your usual clothing choices this ensemble actually is!”

    SVB this is so true. I can’t speak for anyone else, but when I watched the first few eps of season 1 I thought whoa, who is this hot guy? In those first scenes with B/S he looked so hot and brooding that his transition from hot to wet blanket is amazing, perhaps we need to give AB (and SM) credit in handling this transition so deftly. Lets face it, by the time we see him all uptight and disapproving (not to mention sly and deceptive) in those scenes with Sookie in Dallas, his transition to Dodgy-Vampire-Hiding-Big-Bad-Secrets is complete.

    • 175 Osterby
      May 20, 2010 at 11:58 pm

      I was so taken by SM that I found a Brit series called NY-Lon on the web just to see more of him…He’s pretty hot in that too….

      • 176 Kathy
        May 21, 2010 at 12:31 am

        I was only interested in True Blood at first because I loved SM in NY-LON. I saw the trailer for S1 and went out and bought DUD. Of course then I couldn’t stop reading until I got through the last book out. By that time, Eric was my vamp. And the way they portrayed Bill in TB kind of has rubbed off on Stephen in my view. I don’t want it to influence me, but it does. I have a hard time even looking at him. I have to pop in Starter Wife to remind myself I really do like Stephen! LOL!

        • 177 ChelleInOz
          May 21, 2010 at 3:47 am

          Kathy – Oh, Eric is my Vamp as well!! As soon as i saw him on the screen that first time (missed AS in Generation Kill first time round but have since caught up), I thought he stole every scene he was in. SM does such a great job having Bill descend into creepiness that I forgot that initial reaction to him.

          Osterby – I will,have to check out Ny-Lon, thanks for the tip

          • 178 Kathy
            May 21, 2010 at 11:39 am

            NY-LON is fantastic. I’ve been frustrated for years that the BBC hasn’t put it out on DVD. It first aired on BBCAmerica, which is where I discovered it.

      • 179 CarolB
        May 21, 2010 at 12:00 pm

        He was a vamp as well in another Brit series called Ultraviolet way back in 1998 (with Jack Davenport and Idris Elba)- I’ve been trying to find clips of it but Channel 4 seem to have blocked it grrrr.
        I was compelled to watch TB after spotting the trailer for Season 1 – they had Black Rebel Motorcycle Club playing “Red Eyes and Tears” to accompany it. My fave band with my fave topic, count me in! Just wish my father-in-law hadn’t been staying when Episode 1 came on (CRINGE!!)
        But yeah, I couldn’t get over how SM’s appearance changed for the worse as Series 1 progressed. But of course, I didn’t much care by then either as I’d discovered the books and had realised he was a prick! What I can’t fathom is how many women are still rooting for bad old Beehl!

        • 180 Kathy
          May 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm

          You can get Ultraviolet on Netflix. I wasn’t “sucked” into it though. I don’t even know if I lasted until Stephen showed up! LOL!

    • 181 millarca21
      May 21, 2010 at 4:38 am

      Dodgy-Vampire-Hiding-Big-Bad-Secrets and wearing strange white pancake makeup. Not a good look.

  24. 183 jaded3
    May 20, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Maybe Wilson Leather had a two for one sale:-)

  25. 184 LydiaB
    May 20, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    I just think that leather jackets are “official” vamp attire. And they get fancier as you get more important I reckon. King Russell had his fancy schmancy suede one.

  26. 185 millarca21
    May 21, 2010 at 2:00 am

    I always enjoy the insightful analysis I read here about the show. Much of it is far deeper than anything that would occur to me, but I love reading it.

    I don’t read any more into the clothing choices than people choosing clothing they consider appropriate for different occasions. We all have different aspects to our lives and personalities and choose different outfits for different circumstances. Nan and Pam wear to work the outfits deemed appropriate for their jobs and go with their own choices for their own time but so do most of us.

    I can relate to wearing black leather for confidence and power and just because it’s so bloody sexy and cool, and there is also that “mysterious, black-clad hunk of a night thing” element. I was a little surprised to see Bill in the black leather jacket, because I don’t think of Bill as sexy and cool.

  27. 186 sunnynala
    May 21, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Hey guys, keep an eye on Televisionary. Jace has seen ep 302!

    Bloody hell! Just watched ep 302 of #TrueBlood (airing 6/20). Absolutely fantastic. Raelle Tucker knocked it out of the park! @TrueBloodHBO
    about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck


    Hopefully he’ll put up a review soon!

  28. 187 sunnynala
    May 21, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    So now that we know the brick wall was ‘shopped in, what other images we have been shown so far have also been manipulated, and why?

    • 188 Robin
      May 21, 2010 at 1:37 pm

      I know, Sunny, this is exactly what I was questioning yesterday. How are we to know what is real and what has been manipulated when watching TB? According to so many of the theories flying around here, AB creates illusions that are perceived one way on the surface to the average viewer, but you have to dig deep for the hidden meanings.

      • 189 sunnynala
        May 21, 2010 at 1:53 pm

        I just put up a quickie post at my blog questioning this very thing.

        • 190 Robin
          May 21, 2010 at 2:05 pm

          I’ll check it out this evening after work. I am a huge fan of the SVM books, which I think I remember that you have not read? CH usually leaves it up to the reader to interpret everything read on page, that the text speaks for itself. She does not like to answer alot of questions, and when she does she tends to be vague in her answers. So, does AB tend to be the same way? Does he ever answer questions for viewers that dig deep or does he let his work speak for itself? Does AB reveal his trickery in later episodes or seasons? All good questions I would love to have answered.

          • 191 sunnynala
            May 21, 2010 at 2:10 pm

            No, I haven’t read the books.

            Like CH, AB will never reveal his trickery off script. Attention has to be paid to get at the truth of any aspect of the show. For instance, many viewers know Bill has lied to Sookie on several occasions, but how many of them would take everything he’s ever told her and checked elsewhere in the episodes to verify or refute what he has said? Not many, but if you take the time you will find that nearly everything he has said is a damn lie. AB would never say that.

            • 192 Robin
              May 21, 2010 at 2:48 pm

              You would have a great time disecting the books, LOL! We should make a list of all of Bill’s lies, I think that would be interesting to see. I am not sure if it was you or Renee, one of you wrote a post that I thought was brilliant comparing Godric to God, Eric to Jesus, Sookie to Eve & Mary Magdalene and Bill to Satan. I found that comparison fascinating, especially considering all of the religious imagery we have seen throughout the TB series. Also, loved the picture of the cast standing in the “garden” with the snake hovering over Sookie, Bill holding Sookie down and Eric standing over Sookie in a protective stance. I really cannot believe all of the BLs cannot see the symbolism throughout!

    • 194 VikingLover
      May 21, 2010 at 3:35 pm

      {So now that we know the brick wall was ‘shopped in, what other images we have been shown so far have also been manipulated, and why?}

      That’s because they don’t want us to really know what is happening in those scenes until we actually watch the episodes. They did the same thing last year apparently. SVB said they manipulated the scene of Eric and the Queen in last years promo. Someone on this blog said this (was it you Sunny?) and it’s true, although there have been numerous spoilers and the awesome promo which was released recently, we still have no freaking idea of what is going to happen in S3.

      • 195 Dwimordene
        May 21, 2010 at 7:21 pm

        It’s funny and interesting all the promos. With all, video and images… They don’t give us really anything, but keep our attention and make us wonder… They fake or manipulate the most interesting info… I think, in the end, they are doing a fantastic campaign. Whatever they do or show, it’s on purpose, but they won’t give anything that we don’t know already, they don’t give us real spoilers.

  29. 196 Mony
    May 21, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    During Lost Finale on May, 23 we’ll se another promo…ADULT MATERIAL!!!!!


    • 197 Kathy
      May 21, 2010 at 4:16 pm

      Oh, God….I guess that means I have to watch the damn final episode. Well, that bookends it for me. I never got past the first episode! LOL!

    • 198 Angie
      May 21, 2010 at 11:06 pm

      The final episode of Lost, with bonus naked Eric?!

      I don’t think I’ll be able to survive all of that. I’ll try to post back to let you all if my head has not actually exploded. 🙂

  30. 199 Mony
    May 21, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    sorry thi is the pic!!!


    • 200 Robin
      May 21, 2010 at 4:08 pm

      Well, that will get Sookie’s attention! It sure got mine!

    • 205 sunnynala
      May 21, 2010 at 4:09 pm

      OMFG, the one I linked only had Eric!!! Alex is going to break the internet again.

    • 208 Serena
      May 21, 2010 at 4:12 pm

      Squee! I hope they explain why he is naked in the basement, beyond just screwing Yvetta I mean. Why wouldn’t he just do her in his office? I can’t wait to see Sookie’s reaction to the GP! Squee!

      • 209 Mony
        May 21, 2010 at 4:14 pm


      • 211 Kathy
        May 21, 2010 at 4:14 pm

        Don’t we think Sookie interrupts Eric and Yvetta in the basement doing bad things? 😉

        • 212 Dwimordene
          May 21, 2010 at 7:24 pm

          I think she might interrupt them in the office, then he goes with her to the basement… We show in the promo that someone (must be Eric) was fucking Ybetta on his desk… So. But what would he have in the basement?

          • 213 Dee
            May 21, 2010 at 7:31 pm

            yeah but remember that in one of the HBO promos, we see Sookie at the bottom of the stairs in the basement and Pam walking back up the stairs behind her. So looks more like Pam brings Sookie downstairs.

          • 214 Kathy
            May 21, 2010 at 7:32 pm

            I’m guessing she thinks Eric has Bill. She knows about the basement and he’s proving to her that he doesn’t have him locked up down there.

    • 219 VikingLover - Moderator
      May 21, 2010 at 4:14 pm

      HOLY SH***T! Okay Guys, this is exciting but please hold off on all comments until SVB has a chance to create a post for it. Thanks!

      • 220 sunnynala
        May 21, 2010 at 4:22 pm

        Hey guys, we’re discussing the pic at my blog in the ‘Shop til you drop’ thread. 🙂

    • 221 KC
      May 21, 2010 at 7:05 pm

      It looks to me like Sookie’s leaning back a little to get the, um, *full* effect.

  31. 222 sunnynala
    May 21, 2010 at 4:02 pm




  32. May 21, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Discussion? ROTFL! I’d say that’s a bit of a euphemism for what’s going on over there!

  33. 227 Davida
    May 21, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    SVB and VL, I’m not sure what the rules are for posting other sites here, so delete if this is out of line. I thought you might enjoy seeing Eric/Skarsgard shirtless in season 3: http://justjared.buzznet.com/2010/05/21/alexander-skarsgard-shirtless/

    I don’t understand all the technical stuff Jared’s referring to in order to access the clip, but the photo’s nice all by itself.

    • 228 VikingLover - Moderator
      May 21, 2010 at 4:48 pm

      Hey Davida, thanks for the link! Mony and Sunny posted the links to the photo as well. SVB will create a post for it as soon as she’s online.

      • 229 Davida
        May 21, 2010 at 4:53 pm

        I feel like a dork now. I stopped reading the comments on this thread around 200 or so and totally missed their links. Thanks for letting me know.

      • May 21, 2010 at 10:47 pm

        Can I just ask – again – that when big stuff like this happens that people don’t post links in off topic posts. I will have to start deleting them and all the comments responding to them if it continues.

        The comments are just getting too long and too off topic. Once your comment is posted, it is not able to be moved across to the new post either. So then we end up with something being discussed on two different posts. It’s messy and it’s annoying for people trying to wade through hundreds of comments.

        If something as big as naked viking happens, you guys KNOW I’m going to make a post about it. I don’t have many rules here but I’d really appreciate it if you guys can try to remember this one.


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