26
May
10

Minisode #5 – Bill


Source: Taliasamara

NEWSFLASH TRUE BLOOD WRITERS.

Most of us (well, those of us paying attention) worked out that Bill acquires his assets by theft way back in season 2 when you showed us this:


Bill stole jewellery for Lorena. It isn’t a big jump for us to surmise that he probably didn’t send someone to the store to pay full price for Sookie’s engagement ring.

His basic nature hasn’t changed. Lorena said it best – “Blah, blah, blah”.

Geez, WE KNOW all of this, because you’ve been telling us for TWO DAMN SEASONS!

Can we PLEASE just get to the part where the other characters start working this out? My patience is wearing very, very thin.

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443 Responses to “Minisode #5 – Bill”


  1. May 26, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Ha! I just commented about this very thing on Sunny’s blog.

    Did anyone else get s2 today? When Sookie asks Bill if there’s anything else he’s hiding, I thought the expert info would highlight Uncle B’s murder, but instead it went to the Chicago murder. I thought that was very interesting, especially when considering today’s video. Bill in his 1920s dressing gown using his seductive charm to con an unsuspecting woman brings Prohibition Era Bill into the present. That’s what Bill is hiding from Sookie.

    • 2 Osterby
      May 26, 2010 at 1:03 am

      Renee, I bought the Blu Ray version, but my Blu Ray player hasn’t arrived yet. Are the minisodes on the Blu Ray DVD’s?

      • May 26, 2010 at 1:37 am

        They don’t appear to be. The enhanced features are cool, though. Expert info pops up randomly. The AVL & FOTS stake out positions on issues that are happening. Funny thing is, we know FOTS are liars, but so is the AVL. They claim that vampires couldn’t have cut out Ms. J’s heart because vamps have no reason to torture humans. This while Laffy is wasting away in Eric’s basement.

      • 4 Natalie
        May 26, 2010 at 8:20 am

        Ok I’ve only watched stuff on HBO On Demand with the DVD’s are there extras? Are there only extra’s on the Blue Ray of each season?

        • 5 Kathy
          May 26, 2010 at 2:03 pm

          Yes, the pop ups, and Pam, Hoyt, Carl commentaries are only on the Blue Ray, I believe. I don’t have HD anything and I’m not buying S2 at any rate, so I hope somehow the commentaries make themselves to the web.

    • 6 Kayteadee
      May 26, 2010 at 1:13 am

      I saw that and expected the flash to Bill’s meeting with the queen rather than the bloody bed bit. And did you notice that in the commentary for “Release Me” the writer and director refer to Bill as a wet blanket?

      • May 26, 2010 at 1:39 am

        Ha! I’m still on the first disc but can’t wait for that!

        • 8 Kayteadee
          May 26, 2010 at 2:26 am

          I got a little antsy after the first two episodes and jumped ahead to the commentary in later episodes 😉

        • 9 Kayteadee
          May 26, 2010 at 2:35 am

          Just started Timebomb with commentary from Skars and Moyer. Very cute – and both talking up Eric’s character turn in the episode AND his hair.

          • 10 Freyja
            May 26, 2010 at 2:52 am

            oohh nice, what did they say about the hair? Sorry they dont sell True Blood dvd here in Iceland.

            • 11 Kayteadee
              May 26, 2010 at 2:57 am

              Mostly it is Skars talking about how much he hated the wig from S1. It took an hour every day to get it on his head right. Stephen Moyer was joking about Eric’s makeover in Season 2. It was very cute to hear them talk about it in their own accents.

            • May 26, 2010 at 3:02 am

              Pam talked about the hair. After a few quips about the s2 makeover she says, “It’ll do. For now,” alluding the s3 makeover.

    • May 26, 2010 at 1:43 am

      Didn’t Bill tell Sookie that he killed people “accidentally” at first?

      The lies! It’s amazing what people will swallow when it’s presented in a palatable package.

      • 15 LoveEric
        May 26, 2010 at 2:27 am

        So true!

      • 16 Ashley
        May 26, 2010 at 2:48 am

        Blatant, outright lies. I actually forgot about that. And then people defend Bill by saying one of two things:
        1) Well Lorena was influencing him (I call B.S.)
        2) Well is Bill supposed to tell Sookie every single thing about himself…hes been too busy with Dallas and the maenad (once again B.S.)
        Okay, if the guy is gonna marry Sookie, the #2 excuse doesnt hold up. Sookie needs to know his deep dark stuff before she gets into something that she wont easily be able to get out of. And as for Lorena, well while murdering the Chicago couple not only did Bill gleefully participate, he actually did crueler things than Lorena in that scene. It was pure fun and sport for him, no coercing necessary. And not only that, but no way did Bill stop killing after Lorena.

  2. May 26, 2010 at 12:24 am

    I think they did a great job in this promo to show that people will only see what they want to see. My take on things:

    Bill tells the women that it is justifiable that she get in trouble for trying to come onto him. He glamors her into telling him what she wants, and then bribes her with that information. He cheap out with the wedding ring of his beloved, and refuses to cover up even after the women suggests him too.

    All i’ve been hearing on the TB sites is that Bill is such a romantic, because he told the women that he was a ‘One women man, a one human vampire’. This minisode just shows us people will get what they want out of things, ignoring the big pink elephant in the center of the room, cos that sucker is just to plain big to hid in the corner.

    • 18 VikingLover
      May 26, 2010 at 12:40 am

      I agree, Dazedrose.

      {“I’m a one woman man and a one human’s vampire”?}

      I loved that part the best because his entire relationship with Sookie is a lie.

      • 19 LLE
        May 26, 2010 at 12:43 am

        Sookie and Bill relationship is very mock.

      • 20 Ashley
        May 26, 2010 at 2:50 am

        Yep. The only reason he only feeds on her is because her tasty fairy blood is better than anything else he could get. And one woman man, well we all know why Bill seduced Sookie in the first place so there goes that.

    • 21 pennydreadful
      May 26, 2010 at 12:55 am

      I think it all goes back to Sunny’s astute observation about preferring a beautifully gilded lie over the raw unvarnished truth.

  3. 23 Gigi
    May 26, 2010 at 12:31 am

    We already knew he’s a con artist…
    So what’s new?
    Hear him saying: “I’m a one woman man and a one human’s vampire”?
    Was that the point???

    PFFFFFFFFFFT!

  4. 29 Osterby
    May 26, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Was anyone else notice the crude nature of the Mr Smallwood and Mrs Bushey thing? I thought is was sort of cheap, but I did laugh…

    • May 26, 2010 at 12:40 am

      Very cheat and tacky. Should have been right up Bill’s alley.

    • 32 Osterby
      May 26, 2010 at 12:40 am

      lol…sorry Did anyone…

    • 33 Ziggy
      May 26, 2010 at 12:43 am

      I noticed that too – as soon as she said her name, I rolled my eyes! Was a little lame, not sure whether it was just a joke, or was there to distract us from thinking about something else..

    • 35 Kayteadee
      May 26, 2010 at 1:07 am

      Yes, that and the really bad joke fail that was “there are some real gems in here” referring to a case full of…. gems! *facepalm*

    • 38 VampirePamsGirl
      May 26, 2010 at 6:18 am

      Crude? I dunno. The whole thing just kinda made me feel queasy. A little bit disgusting. And I definitely agree with all those that have commented on Bill’s behavior… i.e. the open robe, refusing to put on clothes even though she suggests it to him and then getting upset over her objectifying him.

      And did you notice how close he sits next to her? I watched twice just to make sure and she definitely sits down first and then he sits and scoots practically in the poor woman’s lap. Definitely invasion of personal space in my opinion.

      Furthermore, I know I am completely biased, I make no secret of that fact, but Bill just seems so fake to me in this it is unbelievable that some people take him to be genuine. Everything about him to me screams FAKER! I just want to tattoo LIAR across his forehead.

      • 39 morrissa
        May 26, 2010 at 8:03 am

        VampirePamsGirl wrote: “…Bill just seems so fake to me in this it is unbelievable that some people take him to be genuine. Everything about him to me screams FAKER! I just want to tattoo LIAR across his forehead.”

        Could someone PLEASE write a fanfic where Lisbeth Salander goes to Bon Temps and takes care of business!

        The tattoo comment made me think of her, but she is a very resourceful woman, as we (who have read the books) all know, so the tattoo part could just be icing on the cake – too bad it won’t stick, but still… She would break Bill like the tiny twig that he is.

  5. May 26, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Gigi, what we know, and what casual viewers know are two different things. They don’t know that Sookie’s Bill is Prohibition Bill. This is the first blow to the mask he’s been wearing for two seasons.

    • 42 LLE
      May 26, 2010 at 12:42 am

      Bill is wearing a mask.

      • 43 VikingLover
        May 26, 2010 at 12:52 am

        I agree, LLE. He’s playing a role for everyone. I find it so interesting when I watched this because this whole thing is a sham – the proposal, his “monagamy” – everything. I loved that he was wearing the infamous robe in this. Proves that we cannot forgot Bill’s real motivations no matter what we see on screen.

        • 44 Ziggy
          May 26, 2010 at 12:57 am

          Exactly. Why, if Bill didn’t want to be ‘objectified’ did he answer the door in his robe in the first place? Surely if this was purely an innocent business transaction (for which an appoinment was made), he would have been dressed when he answered the door, because he knew she was coming. He glamoured her into telling him what he already knew (hell, even WE could tell she was desperate for a ravaging), and like dazedrose said, used the information against her.

          We can only guess what happened after the cameras stopped rolling.

        • 45 Osterby
          May 26, 2010 at 12:59 am

          This is so true VL. But the crazy thing is that some people can’t seem to see the forest through the trees, even if they are hit over the head with a damn tree. Are the really people out there who aren’t adding this up?

          • May 26, 2010 at 1:24 am

            Oh they’re starting to get uncomfortable.

            Was just reading another blog post on this, at the very insinuation (it wasn’t even a blatant statement) that there is more going on here than Bill being cheeky with his glamour to score a discount – it was an all out feeding frenzy.

            Seriously. Does anyone really believe that after never having seen that robe on Bill in the present day, that they would just “coincidentally” decide to wheel it out in THIS scene? Just for old times sake?

            FFS, it’s a basic technique of film making to use the same prop in two scenes when you want your audience to connect them.

            It’s just getting hilarious (and slightly scary) now. People getting threatened with banning and called rabid for asking perfectly reasonable, logical questions.

            • May 26, 2010 at 1:33 am

              Like i said, people will only see what they want to see. Because we are Viking lovers (on the most part, i do know some here are neutral) but it’s not to hard to see the fucking huge pink elephant in the room. It’s an obvious point of reference for the viewer.

              I just finished watching s2 on Blu ray (had it for a week now and still haven’t got to watch it on enhanced viewing due to hubby having not seen it yet) and I’ve notice a heap more things then the first dozen times. It’s especially good with all these minisodes and trailers. Most of it is plain to see but some people just won’t.

            • 48 Liz
              May 26, 2010 at 2:16 am

              where where?

              • 49 Ashley
                May 26, 2010 at 4:13 am

                The Vault is one place. I comment over there once in a while, usually never mentioning Eric, but if you insinuate that something is up with Bill other than him being a romantic and loyal guy, then most freak out and start bashing Eric as a defense mechanism. I hate to say it, but thats been my experience over there. I always try to be nice and not mention Eric or bash Bill, just point out interesting things and they jump down your throat, saying stop with calling Bill evil or the Bill bashing, even though neither is done. Its actually pretty entertaining. I actually like discussing the show with people that have opposing views, because its always a change from the usual conversation over there.

            • 50 Ashley
              May 26, 2010 at 3:04 am

              LOl…yeah the last time he wore it was the Lorena scene am I correct? In which he was also manipulating a woman for self serving purposes. In the Lorena scene, he manipulates Lorenas love for him to get what he wants. In the ring scene, he manipulates the womans attraction to him in order to get a cheap wedding ring. Man, you have to give Bill props. The dude is good at what he does.

            • 53 dsm
              May 26, 2010 at 3:47 am

              The robe and his body language from the start of the scene were telltale to me. It was Bill in his natural state: a smooth predator out stalking his prey. You can’t help but appreciate the skill at which he’s created this deception when you realize how it is probably just an hour later that he tosses aside the robe and puts on his nice conservative suit and picks up Sookie for a romantic dinner. It has all been all so expertly crafted. Bravo Mr. Compton!

          • 54 Ashley
            May 26, 2010 at 2:16 am

            OH yes, but its simply a case of not looking beyond the rose colored glasses theyve put on when it comes to Bill…they get all distracted by the monogamy bit, and simply ignore the fact that Bill clearly manipulated the woman in order to get a cheap wedding ring. He says she deserved it for objectifying him, yet used it to his advantage in the first place by answering the door in nothing but his robe.

        • 55 LLE
          May 26, 2010 at 1:04 am

          I find it funny is that does Bill really care for Sookir or he doing his job? His job is to be Sookie’s bodyguard. If Bill don’t do his job, the Queen will wear his fangs.

        • 56 MASpencer
          May 26, 2010 at 3:21 am

          I also think, however, that the insinuation here is that BILL is actually starting to believe his OWN ruse, and is becoming a “victim of his own con” as it were.

          In this minisode, Bill does not blatantly break any laws– they specifically wrote it so that he doesn’t STEAL the ring, just negotiates a deal, and so that he doesn’t actually have to HAVE SEX with the shoplady to get that deal (even though I think he probably glamoured a memory of sex with him into her mind off-camera, like he implanted false memories into the limo driver in season 2).

          In finding this “loophole” and running with it, we see that Bill is up to his old tricks… but that he’s doing it in such a way as to convice HIMSELF that he’s neither cheating on Sookie nor outright stealing from people. So it’s all good, right?

          In reality, though, what he did to Mrs. Smallwood is essentially the same as what Lafayette did to Eddie to get his blood.

          The only difference is that Bill didn’t actually have to fulfill his end of the transaction to get what he wanted. So he can convince himself and everyone else that it’s no big deal. And honestly, it probably WOULDN’T be a big deal… if he weren’t pulling this stunt to buy AN ENGAGEMENT RING for his GIRLFRIEND.

          The irony is thick. On purpose. Bill may not be a CRIMINAL anymore… but he IS a self-deluded hypocrite.

          • 57 VikingLover
            May 26, 2010 at 3:30 am

            Yes, but if he truly was believing his own lies then why would he pull out his trusty lucky robe? Why didn’t we see Bill dressed in his “Bill Southern Gentleman” best?

            • 58 MASpencer
              May 26, 2010 at 3:47 am

              Well the point is that he’s doing essentially the SAME thing… he’s only manipulated the situation enought to convince HIMSELF that it’s different.

              I mean, if Mrs. Smallwood shows up dead somewhere, I’ll change my tune. And she could… we really don’t know what happened after the camera cut, after all.

              But I’m betting that Bill toed the line just enough to convince himself that he was being totally above board about the whole thing. Even though he clearly WASN’T.

              • 59 Ashley
                May 26, 2010 at 4:17 am

                This is true plus i still think Bill looks at humans as generally inferior and therefore doesnt think anything of manipulating them as long as he doesnt cross a certain line. Remember what he told Sookie when they were dealing with the maenad business…”Humans are shockingly susceptible to just about every form of thought manipulation”…he knows this from personal experience himself. This statement seems condescending to me.

                • 60 VikingLover
                  May 26, 2010 at 4:28 am

                  {…”Humans are shockingly susceptible to just about every form of thought manipulation”…}

                  I loved that scene because right after he says this he actually uses this on her. He manipulates her into staying to “keep her friends safe” while he goes to find help.

                  • May 26, 2010 at 4:32 am

                    That was one thing i noticed re-watching s2 on acutally dvd’s (avi format is really crappy). There are so many little things that pop up to you. It’s like the talk between the two ladies in Merlottes, and the mind-fuck experiment. These type of lines, in light of more and more teasers, that most people over look these things, and will believe face-value things.

            • 62 MASpencer
              May 26, 2010 at 4:23 am

              I also wanted to point out that the robe itself symbolizes Bill’s self-delusion, lack of accountability, and manipulative ways more than it does his blatant criminality.

              Bill wasn’t wearing this robe when he was murdering the Chicago couple. Bill was wearing the robe when he was denouncing sadistic murder to Lorena (who until that point had been his ACCOMPLICE) and essentially blaming HER for his participation in these events.

              I submit that the return of the robe is to remind us that Bill will do anything to convince himself that any transgressions aren’t HIS fault, but someone else’s. In this case, we see him blaming Mrs. Smallwood for his decision to glamour her… and honestly, if Bill had proposed a sex-for-discount deal, I’m betting she would have obliged. We picked up as much from her confession once he laid the whammy on her.

              But that doesn’t make his decision to use her like that any less outrageous than it would be if he actually had sex with her. And that would CERTAINLY be outrageous, coming from someone who claims to be so above it all.

              Again, the hypocrisy and evasion of accountability are the real issues here. As a result, Bill is conning HIMSELF first, and everyone else second… just like he did with Lorena.

              It could also be that he simply wanted to be free from her and outright lied to achieve this goal. But I’m more inclined to think that Bill actually THOUGHT he wanted to change– only to find out that he was incapable of it, because he blamed everyone else for his actions instead of taking proper responsibility the first place.

              It’s actually a common behavior of addicts… and more specifically, those who just can’t manage to stay clean.

              • 63 Gigi
                May 26, 2010 at 6:43 am

                [I also wanted to point out that the robe itself symbolizes Bill’s self-delusion, lack of accountability, and manipulative ways more than it does his blatant criminality.
                Bill wasn’t wearing this robe when he was murdering the Chicago couple. Bill was wearing the robe when he was denouncing sadistic murder to Lorena (who until that point had been his ACCOMPLICE) and essentially blaming HER for his participation in these events.]

                You are completely right. Bill never used the robe when he was murdering the Chicago couple, but when he was reproaching Lorena that she was guilty for making him the monster he is. Most of the people was expecting him to kill that woman, but I knew he weren’t goin to do it.

                Bill in that robe represents the man cornered, trapped by his own history. The fact that the robe has over a hundred years clearly highlights it and shows that he hasn’t evolved since that. And I actually think he wanted to change, but he couldn’t, and can’t, unless he accepts and stop to deny to himself the vampire nature in him. And unless he accepts the responsability for his own acts, because to steal and lie are vices from his own will in the present, no matter what Lorena made him do in the past.

                • 64 MASpencer
                  May 26, 2010 at 6:55 am

                  Totally, Gigi. I think this is how we will see Bill’s fate unfold. He will run and run and run from his past only to end up exactly where he started… as the victim of his own self-undoing. Just like the Greek tragic hero. Or for a more accessible example, the drug addict who says he wants a better life, but can never manage to stay clean.

                  Also, I think that this blame game issue may be strongly foreshadowing a rape scene this season. It is too much in line with Bill’s inclinations– placing the blame either on the victim, on the impetus, or on any number of other outside circumstances– for it NOT to happen.

                  I could be wrong. But again, I’ll be really surprised if it doesn’t come up. And I’m even more interested in how the subject matter will be handled.

                  • 65 Lkc
                    May 26, 2010 at 1:03 pm

                    Gigi and MASpencer I absolutely love your thoughts and agree with you. It makes me wonder if TB will go full circle with Bill though and redeem him? Will he accept his nature and assume accountability in his quest to get Sookie back? In the books I feel Bill might have loved Sookie early on but didn’t truly appreciate what he had until he lost it. It is only now in book 10 that I feel CH has given him a dignity he didn’t have early on. Since I don’t think we will ever see him and Sookie in a relationship again we don’t know if he has truly changed but at this point I feel he probably has.

                  • 66 MASpencer
                    May 26, 2010 at 2:17 pm

                    That’s a good question, and I’m not sure.

                    If Bill’s going to fit the tragic hero mold, then a catharisis is necessary– and by that, I mean a TRUE catharsis, in which he understands that HE is the cause of his own troubles and suffers his punishment accordingly, much like Oedipus blinding himself with his mother’s brooch or Richard II saying “I have wasted time and now doth time waste me.”

                    I’d say that’s a form of redemption in and of itself… but it’s not a happy ending, that’s for sure. I would have a hard time reconciling this kind of development with a rekindling of Sookie and Bill’s romance– I just don’t see that being possible, and to me, it would cheapen the story.

                    But I can see her eventually “forgiving” him, if he asks her to, as that would be a key part of his catharsis, during which he would attempt to make amends. And that doesn’t mean that they’ll be all chummy again. Just that she won’t necessarily burn with hatred every time she see’s him after that.

                    • 67 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 2:19 pm

                      …excuse the rogue apostrophe. LOL.

                    • 68 VikingLover
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm

                      {But I can see her eventually “forgiving” him, if he asks her to, as that would be a key part of his catharsis, during which he would attempt to make amends. }

                      I agree with this and it would definitely keep to the spirit of the books because Sookie does forgive Bill in the end. Bill remains in Sookie’s life for most of the book series and I think it will be the same on the show. I think Bill will take a fall from grace on the show for sure but I think that he will be redeemed at some point. This doesn’t mean that they will be together however.

              • 69 LLE
                May 26, 2010 at 2:20 pm

                After Bill left Lorena, Bill gets involved with Diane and still do bad things to human. Bill will always blame everybody for what he is.

                • 70 MASpencer
                  May 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm

                  Yes, but the question is whether he actually THOUGHT he wanted to change but simply failed… or if he is in fact the very personfication of evil.

                  There are two ways to interpret this. I know many people feel that he fits the latter bill (sorry– no pun intended!), but I don’t think that’s how it’s going to play out. Particularly not with all of these “tragic hero” references floating about. It’s NOT a tragedy if the main character doesn’t recognize the error of his ways… in that case, it’s just a horror story. That simple.

                  I think a lot of Bill’s grandiose statements are going to be revealed as insincere. But primarily because he was being insincere with HIMSELF. Again, hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue– and the difference between hypocrisy and outright lying is that hypocrites actually CONVINCE themselves that they’re telling the truth. It’s a problem of hubris. (Even when he “apologized” for killing Uncle Bartlett, the undercurrent was still “but I did it for YOU!”)

                  Bill could turn out to be just an evil and souless psychotic villain. But it would be a bit of a wasted opportunity, given the obvious tragic circumstances surrounding much of his background. That’s all I’m saying.

                  • May 26, 2010 at 2:47 pm

                    I agree MAS.

                    I don’t think there is going to be a clear cut revelation of Bill being the personification of evil either.

                    It’s already clear that AB is playing in the grey area. Just like CH does.

                    In the books, neither Eric or Bill are good or evil. And I suspect we’re heading the same way on the show.

                    • 72 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 2:56 pm

                      To me, it is pretty clear-cut that Bill is a sociopath/psychopath. These aren’t usually redeemed, they either end up in prison/electric chair or dead by some other means. They can’t be redeemed because they have no conscience to begin with and are incapable of developing one. Bill is a good example of how sociopaths are excellent liars and con-artists and can deceive people into believing they possess real ‘feelings’–empathy, sympathy, ‘love’, remorse—they do not.

                    • 73 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm

                      I TOTALLY agree… and to be honest, I find it kind of infuriating. Only because it’s so polarizing, though, as the shades-of-gray approach ultimately makes for a more compelling story.

                      I find that I have to remind myself to criticize Bill’s ATTITUDES as opposed to his ACTIONS– because I’m not sure we’re going to see that he’s any worse in his actual actions than other characters like Lafayette or Eric.

                      The difference is, Lafayette and Eric are forthright and shameless by nature. (But let’s not call them entirely honest– because the fact of the matter is that they also skirt the truth when it suits them.) But they don’t lie to THEMSELVES, which means that while they may not always be virtuous… at least they’re not hypocrites.

                      Bill is a deluded and sanctimonious self-hating hypocrite… and THAT’S why I find his character insufferable.

                    • 74 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:11 pm

                      We’re just going to have to disagree on this point, Sunny! I totally know what you mean… and I think that, were this your average drama, you would be on the money, because it’s hard to imagine that after the Chicago murder scene that Bill has even a shred of decency in him.

                      But it’s a vampire show, which affords the writers a little more license in pulling off murder scenes like that, but allowing room for the characters to “evolve” past their actions. I could be wrong, though.

                      Frankly, maybe I just have a little too much sympathy for sociopaths. Lord knows I’ve had more than a couple in my life before– members of my own family included. LOL.

                    • 75 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:17 pm

                      And I also think that– while the carefully constructed categories of psychology absolutely serve their purpose– people, and their motivations, are rarely (if ever) that simple.

                      In fact, I’ve met more than a few crazies who use the DSM to avoid having to take responsibility for their feelings and actions– because it’s easier to boil your “condition” down to a black and white, clearly defined “illness.”

                      It’s just one more thing to blame. LOL.

                    • 76 Serena
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:39 pm

                      I have a feeling Bill will be dealing with this when he is at Russell’s house, hence the phone call. He’ll do a lot of self-examination there, but I doubt any real redemption will come out of it. I also think when he sees Sookie again, he’s too much of a coward to actually confess to her about what he’s done. Where that lands on the evil psychopath/grey scale I don’t know.

                      This is another reason why I think Sam took him, it would start Bill down the path of self disillusionment if and when Sam confronts him about it.

                    • 77 LLE
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:33 pm

                      I agree with you.

                    • 78 VikingLover
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm

                      {SVB Wrote: I agree MAS.
                      I don’t think there is going to be a clear cut revelation of Bill being the personification of evil either.
                      It’s already clear that AB is playing in the grey area. Just like CH does.
                      In the books, neither Eric or Bill are good or evil. And I suspect we’re heading the same way on the show.}

                      I agree as well, SVB and MAS.

                    • 79 Gigi
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:20 pm

                      [I agree MAS.
                      I don’t think there is going to be a clear cut revelation of Bill being the personification of evil either.
                      It’s already clear that AB is playing in the grey area. Just like CH does.
                      In the books, neither Eric or Bill are good or evil. And I suspect we’re heading the same way on the show.]

                      Totally.
                      And I dare to say that in TB is indeed grayer than in the books.

                      Ambiguity is the name of the game…

                  • 80 sunnynala
                    May 26, 2010 at 3:16 pm

                    as the shades-of-gray approach ultimately makes for a more compelling story.

                    Well yes, for the present at this point in the story it is better that Bill (and Eric) remain ambiguous.

                    BUT, and this is just my opinion, I find it far more exciting and psychologically cathartic when the actual villain (in fiction and irl) are finally revealed for what they are and punished accordingly.

                    I mean, who wouldn’t love to see a stripped naked Dick Cheney perp walked into the Hague?

                    I pine for justice.

                    • 81 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:22 pm

                      [I pine for justice.]

                      Oh Sunny… ME TOO. I keep myself awake at night sometimes, imagining a perfect future in which the many batshit people who have lied to and deceived ME– and yes, THERE ARE MANY– suffer the consequences of their actions… and ideally, APOLOGIZE.

                      But it almost NEVER happens. Sigh. So I comfort myself by saying that for these people, their very existence is punishment enough, because somewhere deep down they KNOW the truth. And I tell myself that it is pointless to waste so much of my energy on “pining for justice” that will never come, when I could free myself through compassion and forgiveness.

                      It’s maddening. LOL!

                    • 82 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:30 pm

                      But it almost NEVER happens. Sigh.

                      This is true and exactly why I want to see it in this particular fiction.

                      Maybe I’m a luddite but abstractions annoy the FUCK out of me. I like hard truths and clear distinctions between what is acceptable and what is not.

                      A man–or a vampire–who commits murder and thievery for sport and personal gain combined with a hypocritical persona of nobility (Dick Cheney anyone?) = evil psychopathy in my eyes. Dick Cheney may never get punished and die happy and obscenely RICH but I want Bill Compton to stand in for him and get what he deserves, which is JUSTICE.

                    • 83 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:31 pm

                      ..and for all those people who defend him and view him as a fucking HERO to SUCK IT.

                    • 84 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:41 pm

                      You’re right, Sunny. You’re totally right. And this is precisely what makes achetypal fiction (which involve a good vs. evil struggle, with clearly defined heroes and villains)so satisfying to read and watch.

                      But art as an imitation of life has its own merits, insofar as it places a mirror in front of the audience. And the audience is NOT always going to like what they see in that mirror– which is precisely the point.

                      Anyway, judging from his body of work, Alan Ball is the very definition of this type of “abstract” artist.

                      You’ve been warned! So prepare to be driven to drink heavily. LOL.

                    • 85 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:42 pm

                      *archetypal*

                    • 86 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:49 pm

                      people, and their motivations, are rarely (if ever) that simple.

                      True again, but then most people are not murdering thieves.

                      I can forgive and have compassion for people in my life who have done me wrong because they are human beings who have made mistakes, just like me. If I can’t forgive then I do not deserve forgiveness, is how I see it.

                      However, none of us, to my knowledge, have slaughtered innocent people for sport.

                      Anyway, judging from his body of work, Alan Ball is the very definition of this type of “abstract” artist.

                      Indeed–in a drama about ‘real’ people in ‘real’ situations. Nothing is ever clear-cut with ‘real’ people. But as you say, TB is an archetypal drama, a melodrama really, and a lack of real catharsis arising from an epic battle of good vs. evil would be a failure on AB’s part, imo.

                    • 87 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:02 pm

                      See, that’s the thing. I don’t think True Blood IS an archetypal drama. It’s a human drama with a vampire twist– which ups the outrageous factor, and allows for a great deal more exaggeration under certain circumstances.

                      I say this not only because in ALL of Alan Ball’s works that I’ve seen, the “bad guy” is never running around with an evil goatee, and even when the characters are disgusting, Ball always manages to present them in a way where you are ACTUALLY led to feel somewhat sorry for them. (Emphasis on the somewhat, because I don’t think he asks the audience to excuse– just to understand.)

                      I also say this because in the books, which served as the inspiration, it is not clear who is the “hero” and who is the “villain.” Which is why, ten books out, we still find ourselves debating it. If Alan Ball is truly keeping with the “spirit of the books” it means that these same ambiguities will inevitably carry over into the series.

                    • 88 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:06 pm

                      I should clarify that I don’t think TB is an archetypal drama AT ITS CORE. However, Ball has definitely made use of archetype and metaphor in his storytelling, which is only fitting given the supernatural bent to things.

                    • 89 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:12 pm

                      Well ok, but I think I will save my compassion for people who are truly disadvantaged in some way and are actually remorseful for their past actions, not a murdering thief with superhuman powers who is aligned with an elite politician who keeps slaves around for her personal pleasure.

                      To me, it no longer matters if AB intends to ‘reveal’ in some spectacular fasion that Bill is an irredeemable villain. To me, he already IS that. I do not need another person, even my beloved AB, to tell me what I should consider as evil. If I listened to others on that score George Bush would be a misunderstood hero and MLK a ‘rabble rouser’.

                    • 90 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:18 pm

                      We agree on that 100 percent Sunny. And regardless of whether Alan Ball (or Charlaine Harris) leaves the door open for compassion, there’s a reason why I favor Eric over Bill.

                      And it’s not because he’s got better abs or because I think blondes are hotter than brunettes. LOL.

                  • 91 Dee
                    May 26, 2010 at 4:15 pm

                    Mas-Ive read all your posts on this subject and I do agree completely and think this is how it will play out. Bill hates the very thing he is and even when he is trying to be something different he realizes that you can’t run away from who you are. Even in the books, CH points out how they are not all evil or all good. I see every character on the show like this and not just the vampires. However, we will dislike those who are hypocrites and try to pretend like they are all good. We accept Laf and Eric because they are honest and don’t hide who they are. They don’t put on an act so it makes it acceptable to us.

                    back to vampires, again that is what they are. Stealing, killing, manipulating, these are things we have to accept that they did. There is no way they went without doing any of these things during their existance. They are out of the coffin now but only recently.

                    I think the show will play out the way that you said.

                    • 92 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:18 pm

                      “Just because they are vampires doesn’t make them a murderer”–Sookie

                      “We are what we were when we were turned”–Eddie the Vampire, non murderer, non thief

                      “I admit I wanted to shoot him just to keep him quiet”–Human Bill

                    • 93 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:32 pm

                      Eddie had the luxury of being turned post-revelation. So there’s that.

                      Then again, so did JESSICA. And we see that she has murdered one innocent person in cold blood already– in fact, as soon as she was turned, she mentioned that there were a LOT of people that she wanted to kill. (I think her father was probably at the top of that list.)

                      But I would never call Jessica evil. Just sayin’.

                    • 94 Dee
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm

                      Yeah but that is Sookie’s quote saying that just because someone is a vampire doesn’t make them a murderer. At this point on the show she doesn’t know much about the vampire world.

                      Vampires survived by doing all those things. For one they need blood to live, and you didn’t have willing people before they came out of the coffin. Going even further back you have to figure out what they did to “survive” and how did they live anywhere? they couldn’t work normal jobs, so how did they get their homes, or any of their possessions. It was by glamouring people and stealing from them. I’m sure even killing them because just glamouring them wouldn’t work. In order to live in someones house, that person has to be gone. Now they can glamour that person or a couple but not everybody else around them. People would find it odd if the couple was still around with nowhere to live meanwhile new people are living in their home. There is just no way they could’ve gone without doing any of these things.

                      How did they get blood? sure they can glamour someone to let them, but then they’d have to worry about others seeing the marks on that person and being exposed. So in many cases I’m gonna guess that the person was killed.

                    • 95 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:03 pm

                      I agree with you, Dee. Sookie seems to be following a slow arc in terms of lost innocence.

                      She started out by saying that vampires are “just like the rest of us.” Well… that’s not exactly true. They may not be evil monsters, but there’s no sense in ignoring the facts. At one time they were ALL predators, who deceived and ate people as a means of survival.

                      Then, in season 2, she moves from that mindset to “well, so vampires ARE vile creatures… just not MY vampire.” Once again… not exactly true. You can’t just decide that YOUR vampire is the only “good” one among them. That’s a horribly misguided and ridiculous attitude.

                      I think that next season, we will see Sookie starting to accept the facts, acknowledging that like humans, vampires are capable of both good and evil. Problem is that, with their powers, even a slightly “evil” vampire is a VERY BIG THREAT. They ARE more dangerous than humans, if they are inclined to abuse their powers. And that’s a fact.

                      Anyway, if Sookie wants to date a vampire, she has to accept that vampire for who and what he is, and where he came from… she can’t just cherrypick the good qualities and ignore the rest.

                      I suspect that Eric will force her to acknowledge the whole enchilada where he is concerned, without making so much as an attempt to shelter her from his less admirable qualities or history. And that offers a MUCH better starting point for a REAL relationship than whatever she has with Bill. Because she will be entering into that relationship with full knowledge and disclosure… which is what we ALL deserve.

                    • 96 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:13 pm

                      Eddie had the luxury of being turned post-revelation. So there’s that.

                      Then again, so did JESSICA. And we see that she has murdered one innocent person in cold blood already– in fact, as soon as she was turned, she mentioned that there were a LOT of people that she wanted to kill. (I think her father was probably at the top of that list.)

                      But I would never call Jessica evil. Just sayin’.

                      And I never would call her evil. Distinctions can be made based on motivation, ie what is in their hearts.

                      There ARE murderers who can redeem themselves. WHY did they kill?

                      Jessica’s ‘hit list’ was typical teenage emotional impulsivity and narcissism.

                      Did Jessica kill that trucker delieberately or was it due to her inexperience and neglect?

                      She went on the ‘hunt’ in defiance of a maker who keeps ON telling her she’s a loaded gun and can’t control herself, that she and Sookie can’t be friends and that she has no family– hello, who is BILL if not her family? Why does he cruelly deny her these comforts?–she can’t buy her own clothes, she gets thrown across the room for kissing a boy, screamed at and terrified by her fathers road rage for making a mistake, told she can’t feed on humans even though he does it with Sookie…

                      I could go on–anybody else have examples of not only the neglect of Jessica by Bill but the downright cruelty with which he treats her?

                      On top of that, her only refuge is mad at her and has broken up with her. She is LITERALLY still a teenage girl, a mass of emotions on high gear. She is afraid and lonely. In her mind, she has NOTHING.

                      Can Bill say any of that? Looks to me like his maker adored him and gave him everything he wanted. He was a grown man when he was turned, married with children. He had lived twice as long as Jessica had as a human and presumably had something of a developed sense of morality and judgement. Vampires do not lose their consciences and sense of morality when they are turned, these are merely TESTED by havin imortality and a multitude of super powers thrust upon them.

                      IOW, how would you behave, who would YOU turn out to be deep down at your core if suddenly you knew you were going to live forever and could do almost anything you wanted to without fear of consequences?Would such awesome power absolutely corrupt you, or not?

                      That is the question for these vampires. How they have responded to this power and what they have done with it is the test of the being. “To whom much is given much is expected”. These beings actually have MORE responsibility to dispaly integrity than those without super powers.

                    • 97 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:21 pm

                      I think what Lorena did to Bill was horrible. She may “love” him… but that’s not REAL love. That’s tortured obsession and abuse. Like maker like child, is the point that I think is being made. But it’s not an excuse for bad behavior– and if I’m going to give Jessica a pass, I have to give Bill one too. Just like Bill can’t place all the blame on Lorena for his actions, we can’t place all the blame for Jessica’s actions on Bill OR her human father.

                      That said, I think that even Lorena will have the opportunity to redeem herself this season. But she won’t be any less of a dysfunctional and twisted character, sympathetic though she may be.

                    • 98 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:39 pm

                      MAS–

                      She may “love” him… but that’s not REAL love.

                      Lorena sacrificed her selfish desire to have Bill with her so that he would live. (not that he was ever going to do it but that is beside the point)

                      I’m going to give Jessica a pass, I have to give Bill one too.

                      I will give Jessica a pass because she is LITERALLY 17 years old and she has been abused and isolated her entire life, first by her real father and now by Bill, a sociopath who could not care less if she lives or dies.

                      I will NOT give Bill a pass because he was over 30 years old when he was turned, a rich, priviledged white man who reigned supreme in his time and place. He was turned and coddled and indulged by a woman who would do ANYTHING for him. Now he is over 150 years old and should by now not only know better, but should have learned to balance his emotions, learned a trade and paid his own way instead of stealing and conning and glamouring and killing, and have a better sense of judgement than a literal child.

                      Being a vampire doesn’t stunt their growth, it broadens their horizons exponentially. Bill has no excuse for being stunted except his sociopathy. Bill is a moral midget.

                    • 99 Gigi
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:44 pm

                      {I think what Lorena did to Bill was horrible. She may “love” him… but that’s not REAL love. That’s tortured obsession and abuse. Like maker like child, is the point that I think is being made. But it’s not an excuse for bad behavior– and if I’m going to give Jessica a pass, I have to give Bill one too. Just like Bill can’t place all the blame on Lorena for his actions, we can’t place all the blame for Jessica’s actions on Bill OR her human father.]

                      This.
                      Thanks for saying it.
                      Because if we were to justify Jessica about it, then we would also have to justify Bill.

                    • 100 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:53 pm

                      Dee–

                      Sunny-well Jessica is young and they all say how as a young vampire you have very little control. We saw her with Hoyt’s mother and how she was trying to control herself but couldn’t. She is a teenager but at this point I look at her as a young vampire.

                      But Jessica has never bitten Hoyt. She CAN control herself which decisively puts the lie to Bill.

                      What would we do if we were given this power? I think it’s like Eric said in S2 “it’s not about good or bad, it’s about survival”

                      But these vampires do not HAVE to kill to feed. Even Bill claimed he only killed ‘at first, accidentally’, and then went on to claim he glamoured people to give him blood for “love”, (which Sookie should have taken note of). We know Bill is lying but it is possible for an experienced vamp to never kill anyone, if he chooses not to.

                      Glamouring may be ‘unethical’ as Sookie said of her powers of telepathy and listening in on people, but it is far better to glamour than to kill. A skilled and compassionate vampire could even glamour pleasant memories of running through sunlit fields of daffodils with fluffy bouncing bunnies, LOL! Of course, this only applies before the Revelation. After, there are plenty of willing donors and they probably existed in numbers even before the Revelation, giving the older vamps another avenue of feeding without having to kill.

                    • 101 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 7:14 pm

                      I have a VERY different take on Lorena, I guess. I think she’s an abusive bitch. And you know, it presents a good opportunity to crack open a dialogue about how women are JUST as capable of abusing their partners and spouses as men are. Their tactics just happen to be slightly different sometimes– but the core desire to control and belittle your partner as an expression of self-hatred and desperation remains the same.

                      I think Bill and Lorena are birds of a feather in this regard. Dysfunctional couples end up the way they are for a reason– the two are drawn to eachother like giant self-destructive magnets. Lorena nourished Bill’s codependence the moment she turned him… and she knew EXACTLY what she was doing. In a lot of ways, her turning of Bill was the first “rape” we saw on the show… and she had the gall to tell him that he should be flattered to have received such “favor” and “mercy.”

                      That woman may not be heartless, but she most certainly is MEAN. And Bill allowed himself to become just like her. Now THAT’S a tragedy.

                  • 102 LLE
                    May 26, 2010 at 4:25 pm

                    Bill is a vampire not human and he done a lot of bad things and he has done good things. AB is going with Bill being grey. If making Bill all bad, Bill would be killed off. Sookie is blind to Bill and not knowing him and she think Bill is better than the other vampires. Bill and Sookie relationship is all about sex. Sooner or later the sex will get boring to Sookie.

                    AB is going to make Bill and Eric grey characters.

                    • 103 Dee
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:51 pm

                      Here is the way I see it, if Sookie is gonna be with a vampire then she has to accept them for what they are. These aren’t human men to judge them in the same way, there is just no way you can. So I base my decisions on how they treat Sookie, who is best for her and what they do personally to her. This is why I disliked, Bill, in the books. I don’t think he was best for her in the books, i felt personality wise they were so different. I don’t like the things that he did to her. Things that even if he were human, I would judge him for. He lied to her, betrayed her, originally started a relationship just to seduce her for the queen.

                      If I went by the fact that Bill has killed people, then I would also have to be against Eric or any vampire for that matter. Of course circumstances on how it happened does matter.

                    • 104 Dee
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:16 pm

                      So funny Mas, because after this I wrote somewhere on here, the exact same thing you just said re: “if sookie is gonna date a vampire she has to accept them for what they are”

                      I also agree with everything else you said. We will see this season that, Sookie, will learn about a vampires nature. She will become more like Book Sookie with how she judges any situation and remembering they are vampires and same will apply to were’s.

                    • 105 Dee
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:28 pm

                      Sunny-well Jessica is young and they all say how as a young vampire you have very little control. We saw her with Hoyt’s mother and how she was trying to control herself but couldn’t. She is a teenager but at this point I look at her as a young vampire.

                      What would we do if we were given this power? I think it’s like Eric said in S2 “it’s not about good or bad, it’s about survival” and that is how I see it. They need blood to survive, no way to go about it. Unless we go by the twilight theory of feeding just on animals lol, although I believe Edward himself said he had killed people in the past lol. This is where things have to be looked at differently. Now I don’t normally defend Bill but his situation and Jessica’s are very different. Jessica was recently turned and this is after the big reveal. She has true blood, there are willing donors who would love to have sex with a vamp and willing to let a vamp bite them. Bill had to go about it in a different way in order to get blood. Enjoying it is a different story but looking at just the act of it.

                      Again, these are vampires and just what I’ve come to accept about them. We are meant to look at them as dangerous creatures, that is even part of the appeal. I don’t think i’d like the show if it took away a vampire’s true nature. I like it because it does show them for what they are and doesn’t try to turn them into something else.

                    • 106 Dee
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:50 pm

                      Sunny-but what if we find out that Eric got his money the same way? he has enough money to open up his own bar. We also don’t know what he was doing before the big reveal but I’m sure that he wasn’t working a normal job. Again, this is why I don’t judge a vampire on that fact.

                      What would we do if we were in the same situation? We would not be able to work normal jobs, so how would any vampire get money? There is just no way around it, so we can’t exactly place the same morals on them as we would with humans, not with every situation at least.

                    • 107 Dee
                      May 26, 2010 at 6:01 pm

                      Sunny-yes, but like I said in another post they couldn’t just glamour everyone they got blood from. Was it possible they had willing donors before coming out of the coffin, of course but not many. Even if there were willing donors, vampires still had their identity to worry about. What I mean is, they leave marks when biting anybody and they can glamour somebody all they want and even glamour someone to think the marks are from something else but what about those around the person they fed from? They didn’t go around glamouring everyone this person knew to make them believe otherwise too. People would get very suspicious if they saw someone they knew with such bite marks. Especially if we go even further back, people would’ve automatically thought the worst.

                      So in many cases I do think they had to kill the person because that person then became evidence of their existance and they couldn’t allow that to happen. Bite marks anywhere on a person would only lead to suspicions.

    • 108 Gigi
      May 26, 2010 at 12:57 am

      I know it’s the first blow to his mask, because it’s the answer to the question raised at Sookie’s and Tara minisode. But I actually don’t underestimate the logic of casual viewers and think they have an idea about who is him. Especially after Sookie’s great-uncle murder and his flashabacks with Lorena. But, if we talk about BL’s, that’s another story…

      Anyway, I actually expected more from the minisodes…

      • May 26, 2010 at 1:27 am

        Gigi, my coworkers are casual viewers, and in their minds, Bill is in the same romantic niche as Edward. I haven’t had the heart to disillusion them. The sad thing is that these are bright women who usually think critically and are normally pretty insightful.

        • 110 Ashley
          May 26, 2010 at 2:18 am

          Funny you mention Edward because ive said all along that people who love Bill think True Blood is Twilight, and will play out just like Twilight.

          • 111 Dee
            May 26, 2010 at 3:08 am

            It’s funny because AB said himself that one of the things he loved about the books is Bill being a tragic romantic hero. Now if what he found interesting was the whole tragic crap then why would he take out the one thing he liked lol. If Bill and Sookie stay together and she forgives him for everything then there is nothing tragic about that. It will go against what AB found compelling about the books in the first place.

            • 112 Ashley
              May 26, 2010 at 3:10 am

              Yeah tragic implies major downfall, from which there is most likely no return.

            • 113 Dee
              May 26, 2010 at 3:13 am

              I should finish my thoughts before I submit lol. AB is gonna want at least that one thing from the books to come through on the show. He is gonna want Bill to go down the whole tragic route too. So when he says he’ll keep to the spirit of the books, this is one thing for sure that I know stuck out to him so this will be one thing he’ll want to stick to.

      • 115 Dee
        May 26, 2010 at 3:29 am

        I don’t understand either. I read the books AFTER season 2 because I really didn’t want to know what happens on the show but I finally gave in. When I watched the episodes with the Queen my reaction was “How the hell does the queen know Sookie is not entirely human, how did the queen know Sookie’s name without Bill saying it in the beginning, and HELLO Sookie’s cousin is with the queen and Bill knows her, why didn’t he tell sookie” now my initial reaction about Hadley was why didn’t Bill tell Sookie AFTER that he saw her cousin. But then I realized, Bill wasn’t surprised at all that she was Sookie’s cousin. She just came out and said “how is my cousin Sookie” now anybody would’ve responded with “she’s your cousin?” you knew that Bill ALREADY knew her. My husband thought the scenes with the queen were so boring and could’ve been more exciting since she is the queen. I told him that this is probably where we find out more about the characters themselves so to pay attention.

        • May 26, 2010 at 3:34 am

          Yes the way Hadley and Bill interacted screams prior meetings, maybe over an number of times. Also he didn’t tell Hadley about Adele’s death!! Not very gentlemanly like of him

          • 117 pennydreadful
            May 26, 2010 at 3:45 am

            Oh yes…Bill and Sookie seem to know each other quite well. Also, remember her genuine shock at hearing that Bill actually loves Sookie? I suspect that Hadley was living with QSA as part of her entourage/blood harem. During pillow talk moments, Hadley might mentioned a few Stackhouse family secrets. Eager to add such a unique prize to her collection, QSA turned Hadley in return for information about Sookie.

            It’s plausible that Hadley has already been turned given that she tells Bill, “Oh, I know that I can’t return to that life.” This could mean a life in Bon Temps, or more likely…human life.

            Also Hadley is sitting on the vamp side of the pool with QSA and Bill during the dinner line up. Why didn’t she take her place with the other human meal selections?

            • May 26, 2010 at 3:52 am

              I’m still on the fence about whether Hadley has been turned yet.

              Even if she’s human, she’s not one of Sophie-Ann’s bloodbags in the same way the dinner line up are. In the books they were having a relationship even before Hadley was turned – she was QSA’s “favourite” and was treated as such. Running on those lines, I would say even if she’s still human on TB it’s not too surprising that she’s part of QSA’s inner circle.

              What you describe above is how QSA found out about Sookie in the books. I do think that this will play out, but I just KNOW there’s going to be a big twist on it somehow. QSA’s relationship with Sookie’s cousin and her sending Bill is the worst kept secret since…well, forever! They’ll have to do something with it to keep it interesting.

              • May 26, 2010 at 4:14 am

                If Hadley is in the inner circle, then so must be Ludis* (not sure the spelling) must be too. Because they were both their during the convo between QSA & Bill/Eric.. Maybe this could be related to Eric with Yvette in the basement?? Maybe vampires aren’t so tight with who hears them, like Barry’s response in ATD about the summit?

    • 122 sunnynala
      May 26, 2010 at 1:04 am

      Right on.

      • 123 sunnynala
        May 26, 2010 at 1:06 am

        I meant my ‘right on’ for Renee’s comment:

        Gigi, what we know, and what casual viewers know are two different things. They don’t know that Sookie’s Bill is Prohibition Bill. This is the first blow to the mask he’s been wearing for two seasons

        But I agree with Gigi–

        But, if we talk about BL’s, that’s another story…

        I think if Bill devoured a newborn baby in the parking lot of Merlotte’s we would still hear all the tiresome excuses. “bbbbut Lorena was meeeeeeeean to him”. Fuck those people, seriously.

    • 124 Robin
      May 26, 2010 at 10:40 pm

      Yes, Renee, the robe should tip viewers off that Prohibition Bill is in the house. This season is going to be a real eye opener for the BLs.

  6. 125 LLE
    May 26, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Bill is a vampire and it is in nature.

  7. 126 eowyn
    May 26, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Well..I liked the actress..couldn’t believe she kept a straight face while looking at Bill..but also:

    The mask is off for all the viewers to see…at least in this clip..and yup..some people are not even aware of the mask.. so to them Bill is being charming and being smart for getting the ring at cost..it makes him honest…

    In the words of Jason Stackhouse..Honesty my ass!

  8. 132 Kayteadee
    May 26, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Bill Compton: A man so in touch with the 21st Century that he thinks women want yellow gold engagement rings and uses his awesome powers of vampire glamor to get things at cost. 😉

  9. 136 Osterby
    May 26, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Sunny and Renee…care to change your questions?

  10. 145 millarca21
    May 26, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Bill really is a sleaze bag, isn’t he. But that robe is a quality thing. It’s at least 80 years old, and holding well.

    • 146 kealeagh
      May 26, 2010 at 2:40 am

      [But that robe is a quality thing. It’s at least 80 years old, and holding well.]

      They don’t make things like they used to.

    • 147 dsm
      May 26, 2010 at 4:26 am

      Maybe he only brings it out for special occasions like glamoring jewelers. 🙂

  11. 148 Serena
    May 26, 2010 at 1:22 am

    I think we learned that Bill blow dries his own hair, how does he go from this to ultimate douche-bag SFP ken doll hair? I wonder if he deep conditions too. (I know he cultivates his image for Sookie, but blow dry? Come now).

    I think we can put another check in the Bill’s a closet homosexual theory.

    • 149 Gigi
      May 26, 2010 at 2:21 am

      HAHAHHAHAHHAHA!!!

      Well, maybe Pam gave him some advice… After she made highlights and cut Eric’s hair in the last season, and given the fact that he also has another color and hair style in this next one, I think is possible that she could has some sort of part time job as a vampire hair care consultant in TB…

  12. 150 EricsRenfield
    May 26, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Bill was a total douche answering the door in his skanky 100 yo robe when he knew he was expecting this sex-starved fool of a woman. I’d have him sire her as payback! haha
    Everthing about Bill is a lie! Whilst I don’t deny he does love Sookie he’s still too dubious & willing to blame all his faults on being “Vampire” than owning that shit himself! Slip the silver ring on his pinky finger Miss Smallwood & what HIM squirm! To all the Bill lovers who think the moon shines out of his ass, please WAKE UP.

  13. 152 EricsRenfield
    May 26, 2010 at 1:26 am

    **watch* him squirm (Sorry for the typo).

  14. 153 VikingLover
    May 26, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Bill’s house really needs a good paint job. It’s in terrible condition. It seems to me he doesn’t plan on staying there that long.

    • May 26, 2010 at 1:31 am

      Bill doesn’t care about aesthetics.
      Look at how he dresses.

      • 155 VikingLover
        May 26, 2010 at 1:33 am

        Hahahahahahahaha! Stop! You Guys are killing me!!! OMG I’m laughing so hard that I’m crying!! OMG!

      • 156 Liz
        May 26, 2010 at 3:13 am

        i agree, but the clips release so far, Bill looks way better than he did in season 2, but i think it’s just because he isnt with Sookie putting on the “look” in these clips.

    • 157 Charlotte
      May 26, 2010 at 1:35 am

      This is an excellent observation VL. I think I briefly thought about this, and by briefly I mean like subconsciously haha. Obviously he either doesn’t care about taking care of his home or he doesn’t consider it home because he isn’t planning on being there for long.

    • 158 pennydreadful
      May 26, 2010 at 1:40 am

      VL- That is an awesome observation.

      • 159 VikingLover
        May 26, 2010 at 1:46 am

        Thanks Guys! I just found it interesting that they took the time to show us almost the entire front porch.

        • 160 VikingLover
          May 30, 2010 at 9:44 pm

          So I feel kind of validated in my theory that Bill’s house needing a good paint job showed that he didn’t plan on staying there for long. This is from the commentary of the “Scratches” episode which is available on the S2 Blue Ray DVD:

          {While Jessica emerges from the crawl space under the floor–FYI: Bill has yet to arrange permanent sleeping quarters for himself. Until he does, he will sleep in the ground; though this is not a long-term solution.}

          The snippet above is from Renee’s site – Serena and Renee have done a wonderful job transcribing the commentary from the S2 Blue Ray DVD. I posted it here with her permission (thanks Renee!). There is a lot of good stuff there – everyone should check it out! It’s available on Renee’s site (just click on her name to go there).

          In any case, the reason I bring this up is because this snippet reminded me of the Bill minisode and my comment about the condition of Bill’s home. Someone who planned on making a home in Bon Temps would have created permanent sleeping quarters dontcha think??? So just where did Bill plan on living with Sookie once they were married? New Orleans perhaps? 🙂 This makes Bill’s little “romantic” gesture in this video look like even more of a farce and it makes me believe more than ever that QSA paid for this whole thing.

          • 161 sunnynala
            May 30, 2010 at 9:52 pm

            Not only that, but did he plan to sleep in the hidey hole with Jessica??? Where did he sleep that night after the Hoyt incident???

          • 162 LLE
            May 30, 2010 at 10:12 pm

            Bill was planning on going on the run after he marries Sookie. It would not surprise me that he was going to leave Jessica behind and never come back. Bill is the worst maker.

    • 163 millarca21
      May 26, 2010 at 1:43 am

      Yep. I noticed that. I thought he was doing some work on it in S1 though. Must have lost interest.

      • 164 VikingLover
        May 26, 2010 at 1:48 am

        Seriously though, what does Bill do for money? Every Vampire we have seen so far has a job right? Except Bill.

        • 165 Osterby
          May 26, 2010 at 1:52 am

          And why doesn’t he have to put in any hours at Fangtasia, like the rest of the Area 5 Vampires?

          • 166 Charlotte
            May 26, 2010 at 1:57 am

            THIS! This is something I never even thought about. It hasn’t even really been addressed has it? We know that everyone has to put in hours, except Bill. So why?

            • 167 VikingLover
              May 26, 2010 at 2:09 am

              On TB, we haven’t been told that Vampires have an obligation to do this. I don’t think Eric requires this of the vampires who reside in his area.

          • May 26, 2010 at 1:58 am

            Ya, know, in that first interview of the new season when AS’s in a plaid shirt and jacket in front of a barn. he said that Eric was Bill’s boss. Do you think he could be the Area 5 Investigator?

            Speaking of that interview, we having seen those clothes or that location in any of the previews or promos. Does anyone know what that was about?

        • 169 AstralRomance
          May 26, 2010 at 2:01 am

          I wonder if the reason he had to use glamour to get the ring for cost is that he just couldn’t afford to pay full price. As VikingLover says what does he do for money? I just assumed he had plenty of money from when he used to steal it. Now I don’t know what to think.

          • 170 VikingLover
            May 26, 2010 at 2:11 am

            {I wonder if the reason he had to use glamour to get the ring for cost is that he just couldn’t afford to pay full price.}

            I think he just wanted something for nothing. Somehow he was able to reserve an entire restaurant for the night and buy Sookie a very expensive dress. Something is going on here. I still think QSA paid for everything.

            • May 26, 2010 at 2:20 am

              I do too.

              And now I’m starting to wonder again about why this proposal was all so rushy-rushy.

              Bill is purchasing this ring literally on his way out the door for a date he only asked Sookie on early that same afternoon.

              WHAT is the fucking hurry here?

              As we suspected all along, he did not have this planned before Dallas. This is a total rush job, the wheels of which have been set into motion AFTER his visit to the Queen.

              • 172 sunnynala
                May 26, 2010 at 2:23 am

                As we suspected all along, he did not have this planned before Dallas. This is a total rush job, the wheels of which have been set into motion AFTER his visit to the Queen.

                EXACTLY.

                • May 26, 2010 at 2:28 am

                  OK so another question…how does this impact on the ring being spelled.

                  Because I am hanging on to that theory with both hands and I REALLY don’t want to let it go.

                  • 174 sunnynala
                    May 26, 2010 at 2:34 am

                    I hear ya, so am I. I’ve been thinking on how it could still work. I’ll get back to ya’ll when I have it figured out. LOL.

              • May 26, 2010 at 2:24 am

                But he was sleeping when the dress was delivered. The dress and tickets must have been ordered online the night before.

                • 176 Dee
                  May 26, 2010 at 2:34 am

                  this is where TB messed up bc that would be impossible. Unless they didn’t mess up and it was taken care of by someone else.

                  • 177 EricsRenfield
                    May 26, 2010 at 8:19 am

                    I’m confused about this time line too. There was less than an hour until dawn after the Maryann marriage fail & Sookie asked Beeeil to stay for as long as possible.. therefore zero time to order dress, write on card & book out French restaurant completely. This had to be pre-planned or done with QSA’s influence & dollars? I was thinking when that scene went down that Sookie would be likely to say yes, not just out of love but because after a near death experience she’d want to just jump at something she’s wanted for so long in fear that she might not get another chance so to speak?

                • 178 Osterby
                  May 26, 2010 at 3:43 am

                  How did Sookie know where she was going for dinner with Beeehl? She told Tara where they were going. Who told her they were going to a french restaurant?

                  • 179 sunnynala
                    May 26, 2010 at 12:31 pm

                    I think she’s psychic and doesn’t realize it yet. There have been several indications and Eric’s blood probably heightened her gift.

              • 180 pennydreadful
                May 26, 2010 at 2:28 am

                Why do I suspect that Bill had honeymoon in New Orleans planned for his blushing new bride? 😛

                • May 26, 2010 at 2:31 am

                  Oooh….I don’t know that he would want her anywhere near the vicinity of NO just yet. Unless of course, he was ordered to take her there….

                  “I’m very much looking forward to meeting her”.

                  • 182 pennydreadful
                    May 26, 2010 at 3:03 am

                    I believe that Bill has been operating under orders from QSA from day one, and that his purpose is far more nefarious than it is in the books.

                    Somewhat OT but related: Sookie’s cousin Hadley said something that was rather ambiguous and intriguing. When Bill says that it would be unwise for her to return to Bon Temps in the wake of Gran’s death, she replies, “Oh, I know that I can never return to that life.”

                    “That life”…her life in Bon Temps or her life as a human? Noticeably, she is sitting on the vamp side of the pool (along with Bill and QSA) during the blood harem dinner line up. What sort of information could have Hadley given QSA in order for to reward her pet in such a way?

              • 184 VikingLover
                May 26, 2010 at 2:35 am

                Agreed! Oh, and let’s not forget the plane tickets. It’s too much of a coincidence. This was very spur of the moment wasn’t it? Why? What is going on? Let’s think about this for a moment. We are being told that he was in a hurry – he was running late. This is also telling us that obviously he did not have the time to book a restaurant, buy a dress, and purchase plane tickets (and presumably a hotel room in VA). It’s clear that all of this had been arranged for him but very quickly – meaning something prompted the Queen to speed all of this up. The only thing I don’t understand is why Bill bought the ring himself.

                • 185 sunnynala
                  May 26, 2010 at 2:41 am

                  He dbought the ring himself becaue this purchase in particular has to trace back to him in case anyone (Eric?) wanted to make inquiries.

                • 186 Dee
                  May 26, 2010 at 2:42 am

                  Well there’s two things I can see. Either the queen became a bit afraid after Eric’s visit. I think she noticed Eric’s interest and if she knows Eric, she knows Eric usually can get the woman he wants. Either that or Bill became worried bc the queen wants to meet her and has to think fast, maybe even worried about Sookie having eric’s blood. But that would be a douchebag move considering he is about to enter a marriage when he is hiding such a huge secret. Didn’t he pay attention to Sam’s little speech about hiding things. Well either reason would be messed up, whether he was told to do it or if he did it on his own.

                • May 26, 2010 at 2:57 am

                  I think its a case of the queen making the arrangements for Beel after her talk with Eric. They are both worried about his interest and would know what they could do to remove from Sookie’s life… because they know how much of a ‘proper’ lady Sookie is and she wouldn’t do anything while engaged. To use Beel’s own words: It’s desperate and feeble. I think that the majority of the plan was in place, just the time frame moved forward

                  • 188 Dee
                    May 26, 2010 at 3:21 am

                    I believe so, that’s why the queen basically told eric NOT to taste Sookie’s blood. If her and Bill are monogamous then why would the queen even think Eric could. She knows Eric and what he is capable of. Even Bill said in Fangtasia how everybody notices Eric and look at his face when he said it. Jealous much?

                  • 189 VikingLover
                    May 26, 2010 at 3:23 am

                    dazedrose, I agree. I think you’re right and they were afraid that Sookie could possibly leave Bill for Eric.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:28 am

                      and really why wouldn’t you. Eric actually is a well respected vampire, he has been around for well over 1000 years, had a maker that was one of the sweetest guys you could meet (even though as a vampire of 2000 years old probably done some nasty stuff) and actually doesn’t talk down to you like a child. Respect is give to Sookie by Eric, he even says that to her. If i was QSA and Beel i would be pretty worried too.

                      SVB RT a video that the Vault tweeted a while ago and shows Beel in relation to Sookie. SVB is it ok to link it here??? I think it shows Beel quite well??

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:45 am

                      Oh the “Sookie” vid?

                      Yeah that’s fine. A few us saw that a while back. It’s just brand new stuff that would get it’s own post that I don’t want linked.

                    • 192 VikingLover
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:35 am

                      I bet you Billie was extremely surprised when she didn’t say yes right away. He thought it was going to be smooth sailing.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:38 am

                      Hell yeah VL… just look at his face. I beat you Eric popped up in his mind at that second.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:59 am

                      Here is the video i mentioned:

                    • 195 dsm
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:59 am

                      I agree. The rush on the engagement is b/c QSA fears that Eric will take Sookie from Bill and she knows she cannot control Eric the way she can Bill – Eric is too powerful and too well connected. Even if she did win a fight with him it would cost her. QSA knows Sookie has tasted Eric’s blood. She fears that should Eric taste Sookie it will be a done deal, he’ll want her and he’ll take her. I suspect that Sophie Anne wants Sookie secured and secured quickly.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:09 am

                      Does she know about the bulletsucking? I can’t remember that.

                    • 197 pennydreadful
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:07 am

                      dazedrose- As I watched the video you posted, I was thinking that Bill’s constant use of “Sookie” could form the basis for an awesome drinking game. Viewers would consume a beer every time he uses her name, and then have a shot every time he snarls, “I am vampire!”

                      On second thought, maybe not…millions of viewers would die from acute alcohol poisoning 😛

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:12 am

                      True Blood Drinking Game! Yay!
                      😛

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:18 am

                      Penny… lol… that would be funny. I like the vid that SVB just linked 🙂 Now that is awesome!!

                    • 200 Robin
                      May 26, 2010 at 1:19 pm

                      SVB, QSA would know about the bullet sucking. Remember the conversation between Bill and Eric in New Orleans where Bill mentioned to Eric his tricking Sookie into drinking her blood? And then later, QSA tells Eric that the “guards hear everything”? So, she would know that Sookie had drank Eric’s blood.

                    • 201 Robin
                      May 26, 2010 at 11:31 pm

                      I agree too. QSA having knowledge that Sookie has had Eric’s blood, in combination with the conversation between QSA and Eric about Sookie in NO, is good cause for QSA to have Bill rush engagement and/or wedding plans in order to secure Sookie.

                  • 202 pennydreadful
                    May 26, 2010 at 4:20 am

                    SVB- That’s hilarious! I hadn’t seen it before. I love how smirking Eric is a drinking cue 😛

                    • 203 ChelleInOz
                      May 26, 2010 at 10:03 am

                      OMFG, thats hilarous. Slightly OT but in the spirit of the discussion, the reviewer over at io9.com said that everytime Bill says Suukkeh, he sounded like he was being punched in the stomach…..and you know, it does sound like that! hehehe…..

                • 204 Liz
                  May 26, 2010 at 3:22 am

                  well, to play devils advocate, perhaps Bill was planning on running away with Sookie, away from QSA

                  • 205 VikingLover
                    May 26, 2010 at 3:26 am

                    I don’t think VA is that far away. lol Why not Paris? Antarctica? 🙂 Plus, from what we have seen so far, I don’t think Vampires really give a hoot about human marriages. This would definitely not stop a Vampire Queen. She’d find them and then she would kill Bill. Plus, he hasn’t explained anything to Sookie – you can’t plan a getaway if your partner isn’t in on the plan to begin with.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:31 am

                      I agree VL… If he was desperate to flee with Sookie he would be heading somewhere far away, as long as he stays away from Australia, hehe. Is VA a passport destination??

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:33 am

                      I’ve had this discussion with alot of BL’s who believe this proposal is about Bill trying to cut off Eric.

                      The same logic applies – if a vampire wants to stop another vampire (whether Eric OR QSA) from procuring their human by force – they should marry them in a vampire marriage. Because that is the only union they are forced to respect.

                      Nope, this is a human marriage because it’s all about manipulating Sookie. SHE is the only person in this whole mess for whom the institution of human marriage has any meaning. SHE is the only one who will find herself bound to it by her sense of morality.

                    • 208 Liz
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:34 am

                      clearly i need to re-watch that episode

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:37 am

                      SVB that is what i pointed out earlier. This marriage is the only type that Sookie herself would respect. i know that circumstances are different from the books, but we know Sookie’s take on vampire marriages.

                    • 210 Liz
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:51 am

                      so how does this all tie into the kidnapping? It must, someone knew where he was, probably what he was doing.

                  • 211 MASpencer
                    May 26, 2010 at 3:33 am

                    One HAS to wonder, as gag-worthy as that prospect is. But it would be foolish to think that he could get away from Sophie-Anne, even if that was the case. And Bill didn’t exactly mention moving, so…

                    NO. Bill was ordered to marry her ass. LOL.

                    • 212 Dee
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:39 am

                      When I said that Bill might do it as an act of desperation because he is now afraid about QSA wanting to meet Sookie soon and the whole Eric thing. It’s not that I think it would matter to QSA or Eric, but simply because he thinks it would matter to Sookie. Maybe he actually believes that if Sookie were to find out the truth that he can turn around and say “but I love you, I married you so how much more can I prove to you that I love you and care for you blah blah blah” Too bad that it’s even worse for Sookie to have found out her husband betrayed her rather than just a bf lol so not a good plan if that were the case.

                    • 213 VikingLover
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:50 am

                      And the biggest glitch in this plan is that Sookie doesn’t know anything about this. If he were planning on defying the Queen by leaving town then he would be putting himself and Sookie in great danger without ever telling her. Does that make it any better? Sookie’s ignorance would get them both killed in the end. Plus, is she supposed to just leave town and not contact Jason ever again? Or Tara? Or Sam? How would Bill explain that? No, the “trying to save Sookie from the Queen by getting married and running away” plan wouldn’t work here without Sookie knowing the truth.

                      {Nope, this is a human marriage because it’s all about manipulating Sookie. SHE is the only person in this whole mess for whom the institution of human marriage has any meaning. SHE is the only one who will find herself bound to it by her sense of morality.}

                      Agreed!

                      Poor Sookie was the perfect target for this con. She was always treated like a freak by everyone – especially men. Her father died when she was young so she lacked the love of a male figure in her life. She was abused by her Uncle. Then here comes Bill – the knight in shining armor who treats her like if she is the most valuable thing in the world, his only reason for living, and even places himself in physical peril to save her life. Of course she fell for this game. Why wouldn’t she? Then her Grandmother dies which makes her hold on to Bill that much more tightly. Poor Sookie. No wonder she said yes to his SFP.

                      Agreed!!

                    • 214 LLE
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:46 pm

                      Bill is afraid of loosing Sookie. Sophie-Anne wanted to meet Sookie and Bill has no plans to do it. Bill knows that when Sookie and Sophie-Anne meet Sophie will tell Sookie the truth. Bill was planning on marry Sookie and never come back. Bill still has control over Sookie.

                • 215 Kayteadee
                  May 26, 2010 at 3:59 am

                  I agree with ya’ll that this hastily thrown together proposal is fishy, smelling of collusion between Bill and SA. I’ll add this little wrinkle to the discussion: I wonder if SA prompted Bill to initiate the proposal because of Sookie’s exposure to the vamps outside of Louisiana. Perhaps this proposal is a way to secure Sookie’s telepathy exclusively for the SA’s use. Isn’t that why SA sent Bill to BT in the first place?

                  • 216 VikingLover
                    May 26, 2010 at 4:14 am

                    This is a good point Kayteadee. Although we’re not really sure if Sookie’s telepathy is what the Queen wants. Some of us think it might be something much more sinister.

                    • 217 Kayteadee
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:18 am

                      I’m new to the blog. How much more sinister are we talking about?

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:24 am

                      There is a theory that Sophie Anne is a human trafficker. And that Sookie is a grand prize because of her fairy blood.

                      This is based on her dinner line up at the palace, and a few other things. Sunny nutted this out, you can read it over on her blog.

                      The fact is, they have to do some sort of twist on the book line of “QSA sends Bill to seduce Sookie for her telepathy”. EVERYONE knows this happened in the books now, it’s an open secret.

                      I fully believe that QSA sent Bill but I think there is going to be massive twist that even bookies won’t see coming.

                    • 219 Kayteadee
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:39 am

                      Interesting. Thanks for the background info. The human trafficking angle is intriguing but not one that would have immediately come to mind but it does make sense given the array of dinner options poolside.

                      I agree there will be some massive twist on SA’s involvement but her sketchy character development leads few clues. I’m inclined to think it may have something to do with a Season 4 introduction of the fairies. But that might be putting the cart before the horse.

                    • 220 Liz
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:51 am

                      Sookie is also more than just a telepath on TB

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:54 am

                      She’s a telepath, and she’s a fairy. We know this much.

                      But what we don’t know is how her glowy hand of fail factors in. Is that yet another separate power? Is it related to her fairy blood? What the FUCK is that?

                      And if it’s a separate power, does QSA know about it? Bill obviously doesn’t.

                    • 222 Liz
                      May 26, 2010 at 5:05 am

                      well, its my theory that the blazing vamp in front of the stairs was zapped by Sookies light hands

                • 223 Kathy
                  May 26, 2010 at 2:33 pm

                  Unless he did it in Dallas, while Sookie was witnessing Godric’s meeting the sun. At that point, she went against his wishes, he could feel himself losing her a bit. He could have easily arranged the plane tickets, restaurant and even dress (there had to be a concierge at that hotel). No one saw him pick out that “lovely” dress after all. All that was left was the ring and he would have wanted to pick that out personally.

                  • 224 LLE
                    May 26, 2010 at 5:40 pm

                    In the meeting Bill watch Sookie staring at Eric. Sookie could not keep her eyes off of Eric and Bill and Eric was aware of it.

              • 225 LLE
                May 26, 2010 at 2:35 am

                Bill is afraid he lose Sookie to Eric. Bill knows Eric wants Sookie and she has drank Eric’s blood and she is sexual attractive to Eric. Bill will do anything to keep Sookie.

              • 226 Ashley
                May 26, 2010 at 2:57 am

                yep…if hed had it planned he would have bought the ring long befor that, and it wasnt just Eric and the blood, although thats part of it. Its definitley because of the Queen.

                • 227 Orientalthorn
                  May 26, 2010 at 3:15 am

                  I think it is a combination of the blood, Sookie’s growing attraction for Eric, the fact that Eric is getting close to uncovering the edict, and QSA’s orders to reel her in, that has prompted this rush job. QSA probably arranged for the restaurant, dress and tickets.

              • 229 Serena
                May 26, 2010 at 12:03 pm

                I don’t see what a human marriage would do for the Queen, I think she would prefer a BB or a vamp style wedding, but it would keep Sookie from leaving him as easily if she found out his secrets and thus Bill wouldn’t fail his mission. I think its a panic move on Bill’s part caused by the fear of discovery.

                Bill must know it was Sam who narced him out to Eric about the Ratts, and now that he’s given Sam his blood, Sam will know what effects they have. Possibly Bill might be worried about an alliance between the two, and he might be at this point more scared of Sam than Eric, Eric is honor bound and Sam is a jilted potential suitor who is not.

                But it may also be he’s just fearful that Sookie is going to turn her brain on and start asking questions.

            • 230 sunnynala
              May 26, 2010 at 2:21 am

              Totally. And if she gave him 10k to buy the ring, he just pocket 8k while Mrs. Smallwood’s life is ruined.

            • 232 Ashley
              May 26, 2010 at 2:21 am

              Maybe the Queen gave him a big wad of cash and that was his budget and only had so much left for the ring LOL.

            • 233 LLE
              May 26, 2010 at 2:26 am

              Bill got the ring for free. If Bill had taken Sookie to jeweler, Bill would had to pay. When Sookie finds out how he gotten her engagement ring, “Sookie, I am vampire not human and it’s my nature and I have no control.”

              • 234 sunnynala
                May 26, 2010 at 2:26 am

                LMAO LLE. 😀

                • 235 VikingLover
                  May 26, 2010 at 2:43 am

                  Wait a minute. If Bill called to make arrangements to have her drive out to see him, why would she have to tell him who she is and where she’s from? Didn’t they speak on the phone???

                  • 236 sunnynala
                    May 26, 2010 at 2:45 am

                    Good point, but he probably wouldn’t speak to her specifically if he did call.

                    BTW, did anyone catch the exact name of her company? I know it was ‘something’ Tinkerton and then she said something else I couldn’t understand but it did not sound like ‘jewelers’.

                    • 237 sunnynala
                      May 26, 2010 at 2:48 am

                      Ah, she said “Thomas Tinkertons Fine Jewelry in Shreveport.”

                    • 238 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:37 am

                      Funny that it’s in Shreveport. As is the restaurant (practically, as Sookie pointed out). I’m not going to bring up any of my previous theories about Eric’s potential involvement, lest I start a riot. LOL.

                      I guess you could dismiss the association, since Shreveport is presumably the closest “big” town. But really, there HAD to be closer jewelers. And restaurants. It’s a little strange.

                      Then again, all of Bon Temps was hijacked by Maryann. So… whatever, I guess.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 3:40 am

                      It’s possible, but what would Eric get out of helping Beel. Nothing considering we have the basement scene between Eric and Sookie.

                      I wouldn’t put it down to your last point, and BT was royally fucked by MA and her crew

                    • 240 VikingLover
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:55 am

                      LOL MAS! It’s already been established that Eric was not part of whatever was going on. He was busy with his chickie.

                    • 241 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:36 am

                      Well Eric was busy with Yvetta the night Bill was KIDNAPPED. But his whereabouts on the night of the Maryann showdown are still in question.

                      But I won’t say any more than that! We’ve had enough meltdowns around here in the past few days! LOL

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:38 am

                      MAS: That is what i was hoping one of these little minisodes would talk about… How many more do we have left to see????

                    • 243 MASpencer
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:45 am

                      Just one. And it’s Jason, presumably after he shot Eggs, since he’s wearing that blue shirt. BO-ring!

                      Honestly, we may never have Eric’s conspicuous absence from the finale explained any further. Which will PISS ME OFF. But it wouldn’t be the first time. LOL.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:52 am

                      I don’t think we will MAS.
                      The last three episodes were messed around with the writers strike and they were rushed. It showed in so many things, not just this. I honestly believe they were pushed for time and they just fucked up.

                    • 245 dsm
                      May 26, 2010 at 4:50 am

                      WRT to restaurants and jewelers closer to Bon Temps. I get the impression that Bon Temps has a relatively limited social and shopping scene. Shreveport is probably where the locals go when the want to impress their date with something fancy and Bill was aiming to impress.

                      The whole jeweler thing is confusing though. I would think it more likely the the jeweler would offer to open the store after hours to accommodate a special client and that there are probably establishments that keep regular evening hours to tap into the vampire market (a demographic that seems to have a lot of cash). A jeweler having an assistant carry thousands of dollars in gems through the dark to visit a vampire they do not know in his home seems stupid me. Unless, of course, someone called in a favor from someone.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:51 am

                      MAS: Totally with you. I like Jason, but that isn’t the biggest issue left over from s2… and that is Eric’s whereabouts during MA clusterfuck. As i watched it last night I knew it wasn’t right. But as my hubby pointed out to me that most people wouldn’t be re-watching it and thinking deeper about it, and two not watching the minisodes/trailers.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 4:53 am

                      DSM: I totally suppport your idea that a favour was called in, most likely by QSA after Eric arrival to NO. She could have slipped out to make a call, or gotten someone else to do it.

                  • 248 pennydreadful
                    May 26, 2010 at 2:45 am

                    She may not have been the employee at the store that he spoke with.

                    • 249 VikingLover
                      May 26, 2010 at 3:03 am

                      Yes, you guys are right. He could have spoken to a Manager in order to explain the situation. I don’t know. Something just doesn’t feel right.

                    • 250 Osterby
                      May 26, 2010 at 10:44 pm

                      Ladies, my Mom sold Cadillacs for 30 years…she had customers who never stepped foot in the dealership. I also worked for Neiman Marcus and if I had a good customer who asked me to bring items to them you bet I was more than happy to meet them either at their office or home. It’s called good customer service.

                  • 251 Dee
                    May 26, 2010 at 2:47 am

                    So very true, I hope this isn’t just a mistake on AB’s side by not paying attention to details.

                    since when do vamps have this sense of urgency and wanting to rush into anything.

                  • 252 Lotus
                    May 26, 2010 at 2:48 am

                    I’m not sure he was the one to arrange all of this.

                    Dun-dun-duuuuuuun.

                  • 257 LLE
                    May 26, 2010 at 5:36 pm

                    Bill wanted the sales person to come to his home so he can rob them. It was setup.

            • 258 kealeagh
              May 26, 2010 at 2:42 am

              Wait till Sookie finds out Bill is just as poor as her.

        • 263 LLE
          May 26, 2010 at 2:29 am

          Bill’s friends in season 1 and they were not mainstream and they wanted to drain Sookie,

  15. 264 pennydreadful
    May 26, 2010 at 1:30 am

    “Mrs. Smallwood…how dare you objectify me! I’ll have you know that I conduct all my business transactions pantsless. Now would you mind if I dimmed the lights and put on a Barry White cd?”

    • 265 VikingLover
      May 26, 2010 at 1:32 am

      {Now would you mind if I dimmed the lights and put on a Barry White cd?”}

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! OMG I almost peed on myself!

    • 266 Ashley
      May 26, 2010 at 2:22 am

      LMAO…Bill was playin a role so hard and all the BLs missed it

    • 267 Lotus
      May 26, 2010 at 2:37 am

      Bwuhahaha. I have been cracking up throughout this thread. You guys are too funny!

    • 268 KPRMSE
      May 26, 2010 at 2:18 pm

      LMAO. I can’t believe that you’d want me to take you like a pirate when I’m practically sitting on your lap, with my hand who knows where.

  16. 269 Osterby
    May 26, 2010 at 1:34 am

    What was Beeehl doing with his hand…is he feeling her up? Is Beeehl is going to go through with his end of the bargin? ie boinking her like a pirate on the red velvet couch….right before he goes to pick up his intended?

  17. 271 VikingLover
    May 26, 2010 at 1:37 am

    Seriously though, who performs business transactions while wearing a robe and no shirt??? Hookers maybe but come on! The funny part about this is that he’s always trying to portray himself as a southern gentleman. Would a southern gentleman greet a lady dressed this way???

    • 272 Osterby
      May 26, 2010 at 1:39 am

      Would Ashley Wilkes?

    • 279 VikingLover
      May 26, 2010 at 1:40 am

      I just want to add this: let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he really was running late. However, the moment she hinted at feeling discomfort about the way he was dressed and basically told him that maybe he should put a shirt on, he should have obliged her if only out of courtesy. She is an invited guest in his home after all.

      • 280 Freyja
        May 26, 2010 at 1:45 am

        And as a vampire it takes him about 30 sec running upstairs and put on some shirt 😉 Vampirespeed!

      • 281 Kayteadee
        May 26, 2010 at 2:23 am

        Or at the very least he could have tied his robe shut. Unless of course, he wanted to lure her in only to claim that he was objectified to get the discount.

        • 282 VikingLover
          May 26, 2010 at 2:57 am

          {Unless of course, he wanted to lure her in only to claim that he was objectified to get the discount.}

          Bingo! If we watched a woman do this we would have said she was coming on to the salesman. Did he have to sit soooo close to her?? He practically had his head in her lap!

          • 283 Kayteadee
            May 26, 2010 at 3:04 am

            I completely agree. He didn’t have to sit right on top of her and he could have turned on a light or two – didn’t Sookie arrange for an electrician for him in Season 1?

          • 284 Orientalthorn
            May 26, 2010 at 3:06 am

            Yes! He even took a hold of her hand when he was laying the whammy on her!

      • 285 Serena
        May 26, 2010 at 2:27 am

        He’s not in a rush, thats another lie. How does he get his hair did? SFP hair is intense. lol.

        • 286 Lotus
          May 26, 2010 at 2:44 am

          I suddenly flashed on bill with a hair dryer and a roll brush, lol.

          “Must … get … perfect … bang … symmetry.” Glances at WWAWD bracelet. Sighs. “Oh, Ashley.”

      • 288 Lotus
        May 26, 2010 at 2:43 am

        He was being completely sleazy and, even while playing the role, was more himself than we’ve seen since the Chicago couple.

        Ms. Smallwood, however, was hilarious. It was like AB took the fanatical devotion of BL’s and created a character that personified their glamoured state of disbelief that Bill is anything more than the cover of a romance novel.

        • 289 ChelleInOz
          May 26, 2010 at 10:15 am

          Oh Lotus, yes! He was all Southern charm, even to the point of faux dismay at being ‘objectified’ by a woman (all the while practically sitting on her lap, flashing his chest at her)…

        • 290 AstralRomance
          May 26, 2010 at 1:51 pm

          “It was like AB took the fanatical devotion of BL’s and created a character that personified their glamoured state of disbelief that Bill is anything more than the cover of a romance novel.”

          I agree with you totally. As I was watching I was thinking WTF does Mrs. Smallwood see in Bill to make her so into him. Then I thought her obsession with him reminds me of a BL so I just thought she was supposed to represent a BL’er brought to life. While I’m sure some found her funny I thought she was embarrassing.

  18. 291 EricsRenfield
    May 26, 2010 at 1:41 am

    What would Bill do/say if he caught Jessica doing the same thing? Probably “well done” unless Sookie is around. Mask indeed. LOL comments by the way girls.

  19. 296 Dee
    May 26, 2010 at 2:26 am

    All this video told me was how even more last minute this proposal was.

    • 297 Lotus
      May 26, 2010 at 2:47 am

      Yes. It must be QSA. Has.to.be. That would be so delicious. I’m teeheeing just thinking about it! 😉

      • 298 pennydreadful
        May 26, 2010 at 3:32 am

        One thing is for sure, by the end of season three we will all be toasting marshmallows in the flaming wreckage of Bill and Sookie’s faux-mance.

  20. 300 Krista
    May 26, 2010 at 3:08 am

    Um… “Whoo”? *thoroughly non-excited by this video*

  21. 301 Dee
    May 26, 2010 at 3:51 am

    I know this is a bit OT but has to do with Bill. I was thinking of the casting call for episode 12 and this drug raid and the whole DEA thing is giving me a bad feeling. AB just said recently that even book readers will be surprised by who kidnapped Bill. I just figured he means that Lorena was the one who did it and in books Russell just let her use his place but on the show it will be Russell who does it. We do know he will be at Russells, so what is AB talking about. Then I realized some scenes didn’t make sense. Why was Bill alone running in the woods and then comes upon Russell and Russell helps him. Almost like Bill went to him. I truly hope I am wrong because all I’m thinking is drug raids always happen because somebody tipped them off, please god dont let it be who I think it is.

    • 302 VikingLover
      May 26, 2010 at 4:01 am

      {I truly hope I am wrong because all I’m thinking is drug raids always happen because somebody tipped them off, please god dont let it be who I think it is.}

      I don’t understand, Dee. Can you elaborate? What do you mean?

      • 303 Dee
        May 26, 2010 at 4:27 am

        Sorry I was pretty vague lol. Bill’s scenes seem very strange, he obviously doesn’t seem like a person being held captive, but again if he pledges allegiance that can explain why. Now AB said that even book readers will be surprised by who kidnapped Bill. I thought maybe it was a play on words since physically it was the were’s. But what if thats not the case. Then yesterday they posted S3 ep 12 casting call for a DEA agent and says there will be a massive drug raid. Bill could have gotten away from the were’s but the scene still seems strange. So then I got a crazy thought about there would be a drug raid, it would be because of a rat, hope the rat is not bill and hope even more so that it’s not the DEA who kidnapped Bill to do all this. I know it’s crazy lol but AB saying that screwed with my head lol

        • 304 Ziggy
          May 26, 2010 at 7:04 am

          When I saw the casting call and it mentioned the drug raid, i automatically though of Sophie Anne dealing V. I can’t remember whether we’ve found out whether V is a ‘prohibited substance’ or not, but I would assume so. The “I Smell a Rat” episode could have something to do with someone close to Sophie Anne ratting her out.

          • 305 Dee
            May 26, 2010 at 7:32 am

            I am such an idiot lol I completely forgot about the title of the 10th episode. I have no excuse because I do know it but slipped my mind tonight. Ahhhhh now to find out who the rat is.

            The only bad thing about all this is that Eric is helping QSA and this is the ep he writes a will. Maybe also explains that shot of Pam we saw this past sunday in one of the promos, the one where it looks like shes terrified. I also remember that she said in an interview this week that this season we will see Pam and Eric have a similar relationship to Godric and Eric. Not with meeting the sun but I think she meant regarding loyalty and doing anything for that person. So is Eric in trouble?

            • 306 sunnynala
              May 26, 2010 at 12:07 pm

              Bill IS the rat. He will definitely seek revenge on Eric for ‘coming close’ to Sookie-he’s not doing it FOR the DEA or any other noble reason. He doesn’t know SA is involved but I doubt he would care as that would get her out of the way of him wanting Sookie for himself.

              • May 26, 2010 at 12:14 pm

                Could the Magister have kidnapped Bill, or Nan or a minion? Since Bill doen’t know that QSA is involved with selling V, he could be thinking he has gotten rid of Eric and solved a major problem.

                • May 26, 2010 at 12:41 pm

                  I realize everyone is speculating about Russell and/or weres, but I’m going on 2 very simple ideas.
                  1. The hands that are chocking Bill with the silver chain are small.
                  2. AB statement that we will be very surprised about who kidnapped Bill.
                  Possibly they force him to act as a mole in Russell’s domain. Just a wild stab.

                  • 309 Dee
                    May 26, 2010 at 4:26 pm

                    That is what I guessed too, and wrote it somewhere here to explain why I think this. It makes sense why he would pledge allegiance so early on, I think in ep 2.

                    • May 26, 2010 at 5:45 pm

                      Great Dee. Now I don’t feel so lonely out on that limb. Lol.
                      The shot where Bill is coming out of the forest all dirty, he probably had to spend the day interred. The door that he knocks/rings on could be a were already under suspicion. Have you got the saw ready for the limb Dee? lol

              • May 26, 2010 at 12:14 pm

                I am leaning this directions too Sunny. Can they possibly use this as a lead into AE in s4….punishment done to Eric erasing his memory. I really don’t like this idea, as it really muddies the water so to speak. But i can see Bill doing this, as a last ditch attempt to regaining Sookies trust

                • 312 sunnynala
                  May 26, 2010 at 1:15 pm

                  I’m not sure what will lead in to AE, but I have a suspicion that it will be Yvette, who might be a were-witch (I suspect Debbie Pelt is too) working on behalf of QSA, who def uses witches and their magic.

                • 313 Dee
                  May 26, 2010 at 4:33 pm

                  dazedrose-I do think this somehow will lead to AE. I’ve been thinking that AB will go in a different direction as to how this happens. I really dont think he will use the same reason as in the books. Now looking at the events at end of S3, this has to somehow lead to AE. Does the queen do it to keep him quiet, but then I don’t know if I’ll like that direction. Debbie Pelt somehow? Maybe I’m thinking of her since she is a v addicted were like Hallow in the books, and also in the books, Alcide, mentioned how her mom was also a witch and he even thought Debbie put a spell on him. Could be where he gets the idea from so I wouldn’t be too surprised but just have to think of her reason to do so. I really can’t figure out for sure how this will happen. I just don’t think we’re going to see someone coming on the show who wants a percentage of eric’s business and to sleep with Eric and he turns them down.

              • 314 LLE
                May 26, 2010 at 5:31 pm

                Eric could be going under cover to nail the V. I don’t think Eric is loyal to the Queen.

    • 315 Liz
      May 26, 2010 at 4:01 am

      i dont like the sound of this……

    • 316 VikingLover
      May 26, 2010 at 4:02 am

      {Why was Bill alone running in the woods and then comes upon Russell and Russell helps him. Almost like Bill went to him.}

      I don’t think Russell is helping him – Russell is the one that sent he wolves to kidnap him to begin with.

    • May 26, 2010 at 4:06 am

      russell controls the wolves, right? and in another promo we see bill in the woods being surrounded by 4 of them. perhaps that shot of bill climbing on to russell’s horse is him being recaptured?

      • 318 VikingLover
        May 26, 2010 at 4:09 am

        I think that’s exactly what was happening. At some point he tells the wolves “can’t your pack do nothing right!” so something must have gone wrong. Also, it’s clear that they are hunting Bill – I think that’s why Russell is in his hunting attire. lol

      • 319 Dee
        May 26, 2010 at 4:15 am

        I know but he also points a gun at one of the wolves. He does control them but hope he wasn’t putting on an act in front of Bill.

        But yeah the part about the wolves coming after Sookie also help me think that I have to be wrong about this theory. Damn AB for telling us that even book readers will be surprised by the kidnapping.

        • 320 VikingLover
          May 26, 2010 at 4:20 am

          My theory is that he was going to shoot one of the wolves for letting Bill get away. It seems that Bill does escape at some point. Or maybe it’s like a Maryann thing – he pretends to help Bill when he’s really the one that orchastrated the whole thing. I don’t think so though because at some point Lorena shows up. It’s clear that Bill is being kept against his will.

          • 321 Dee
            May 26, 2010 at 4:44 am

            Bill is standing by the horse when he points the gun, thats what makes no sense to me. I have to be wrong because there is no way AB can go in this direction.

    • 322 Kayteadee
      May 26, 2010 at 4:13 am

      I wonder if that clip of Russell saying “Can’t your pack do anything right” has something to do with it. Perhaps the weres kidnapped Bill and he managed to slip away — thus the wandering around shirtless and battered in the dark — and Russell brought him back to the compound on his trusty white steed. Just a thought.

      The drug stuff is news to me.

      • 323 Dee
        May 26, 2010 at 4:19 am

        That what my initial thought too. But some things seem strange, like Bill in a strip club, and a few other things. But guess after he pledges allegiance that can explain it.

        Yeah I posted the casting call yesterday for episode 12. The name of the episode is “Evil is going on”

        here is the casting call for this episode re DEA

        [AGENT MITCH COBURN] 40-50s, chiseled and confident, a military type, the very picture of American heroism. He’s a DEA Agent sent to oversee a massive drug raid. Guest Star.

        • 324 VikingLover
          May 26, 2010 at 4:25 am

          Bill’s in a strip club? When? I remember seeing the woman dancing on his lap but they appear to be in a house. Is that not a house? I thought I saw a fireplace…

          • 325 Dee
            May 26, 2010 at 4:29 am

            I thought it was a house but the latest promo on sunday, you see her walking towards Bill and behind her it looks like its a strip club. Also why I think she might be the stripper Anne in the casting call who gets drained by vampires. Ill check the trailers to tell you exactly which one it is.

            • 326 Dee
              May 26, 2010 at 4:41 am

              Ok found it, it was in the resurrection season 2 special they did and you see it when they show scenes from S3. The girl who was on Bill’s lap, is walking slowly and you see it has to be a strip club, theres even a stage behind her.

            • 327 Kayteadee
              May 26, 2010 at 4:47 am

              Maybe she is the one in the threesome scene with Bill and Lorena?

              Since they really seem to be playing up the werewolves as bikers narrative, maybe the DEA casting has something to do with the weres. The biker/drug stereotype is notorious. Or, it could be something related to SA pushing V through Eric and Lafayette. Which now that I think about it…. it seems more likely than the were/biker angle.

              • 328 Dee
                May 26, 2010 at 4:59 am

                Yes, I think she might be the one who gets drained.

                Oh I believe QSA is a big part of it. The drug raid does not surprise me at all because I know this season will deal alot with the V dealing. We even see the magister coming into the show and looks like Fangtasia. We have russell who has were’s addicted to V so he might be involved in the V business too. Then we have QSA who will probably get caught. So I figured there would be a big showdown because of the V. Maybe I watch too many mob movies but DEA usually send someone in undercover for such a big drug operation or if not one of their own then they try to find a weak link and have them be the rat. The fact that it’s a drug raid either means that the DEA, or police or someone has been watching them to know when to raid or someone ratted them out.

                • 329 MASpencer
                  May 26, 2010 at 6:42 am

                  There could be informants, double agents, and undercover spies on multiple levels, too– none of whom are aware of eachother.

                  I just think it’s genius that they seem to be going in this direction on the show– and by that I mean apparently associating vampire hierarchy with organized crime and the like. Here we’re focusing on Bill’s pedestrian con artistry, when the possible applications of that theme of deception are just limitless. The paranoia next season is going to be obscene. LOL.

                  But in the end, it will make Eric’s “tiny falsehood” look like child’s play by comparison. And I just find that funny. Perspective is a funny thing.

                  • 330 Dee
                    May 26, 2010 at 7:25 am

                    Oh I LOOOOVE that it’s going in this direction, I find this storyline fascinating. Bring on the scarface action LOL, it’s gonna be an amazing season I think.

                    Yeah, I was thinking that Russell definitely has to have an informant in his group. He has all those were’s, who knows how many vamps too. Somebody has to be an informant I’m guessing.

                    Yeah I’m focusing alot on this, along with the E/S storyline.

                    • 331 CarolB
                      May 26, 2010 at 11:13 am

                      Yep, bearing in mind this is Ep12 (and I know what I’m hoping to be seeing at the end of that episode!), they’ll be trying to tie up a lot of storylines – Russell and Eric may both have discovered they have rats and some other V-addicted were-witches should be on the scene by then too.

      • 332 sunnynala
        May 26, 2010 at 12:11 pm

        Oh yeah! I forgot about that. Obviously, Bill gets away from the werewolves and while he’s wandering shirtless he comes upon Olivia who thinks he is her son. (I bet this is where he gets the different shirt we see him in.)

  22. May 26, 2010 at 3:57 am

    like i said over on Sunny’s board, i get the heebie jeebies at how close he is sitting to that woman, with his robe open, etc etc. if he finds being “objectified” so offensive, why is he practically sitting in her lap?

    • 334 Ashley
      May 26, 2010 at 4:26 am

      Because he doesnt actually find being objectified offensive…hes clearly manipulating the woman…its hilarious LOL

  23. 335 dsm
    May 26, 2010 at 4:13 am

    So some questions have occurred to me on the timing of the kidnapping scenario. What if Sookie had said yes? What if she didn’t run up to the ladies room and, instead, had happily stayed with Bill at dinner and agreed to marry him (as he probably expected)? Would Bill still have been kidnapped in that location? Was it just dumb luck that Sookie happened to step away when she did or did Sookie’s response actually factor into what happened to Bill? Don’t really have any answers on that but it is interesting to think about.

  24. 336 Pat
    May 26, 2010 at 4:20 am

    I am going a bit against the flow here and say that, although I am not a BL at all (team Eric all the way! I can still easily see how this minisode can be perceived by BLs as showing Bill in the best possible way because I have to admit that the first time I saw it I perceived it that way as well:

    Bill showed up in a robe simply because he was late, as he mentioned, and he only glamoured the woman because he felt offended at the way she sexually objectified him so making her sell the ring at cost price was sort of his funny revenge. He was not being cheap, he was being dignified. Even the “I am a one woman man and one human vampire” thing can come across as extremely romantic.

    I think only people who have read the books and know the “dark side” of Bill Compton would be able to pick up the hints and interpret the minisode a different way, as you all have done here.

    I don’t think BLs are blind, but unless you know more about Bill (like we all do here) I think AB is still feeding them the romantic southern gentleman they want to see. Which, of course, will mean the fall from grace will be so much more shocking…

    • 337 Ashley
      May 26, 2010 at 4:31 am

      Yeah thats how people are supposed to see it if they arent looking for more. But i honestly dont buy that Bill was offended…he had the chance to put on clothes and he didnt…he has vampire speed he could have done that in literally a minute…the woman even asked if he wanted to put on clothes and he said no…And the woman would not have said that ravaging stuff out loud, but he glamoured it out of her, and used that against her to get the ring at cost. Im thinking the woman could get fired for this. Not saying you are wrong at all about the books and the show, but just thought id throw out the stuff that people could pick up on without having read the books.

      • 338 MASpencer
        May 26, 2010 at 5:06 am

        In all fairness, she was hitting on him and wasting his time (your eyes are so blue, shove it on my finger, blah blah blah). I can see why he would get fed up and want to cut to the chase. And in perspective, his actions in this scene aren’t particularly horrible in the grand scheme of things. (That is, in relation to murder and true “cons” like what he is presumably carrying off with Sookie.) It’s small potatoes here, really.

        But what IS horrible is Bill pretending to be Mr. Mainstream Good Guy Vampire, when it’s obvious that he has no qualms with using his powers of exploitation as long as they can be justified within the situation– however flimsy that excuse might be.

        “It wasn’t my fault” is a theme for Bill in both the show AND the books. His ability to deflect blame away from himself and onto other people and circumstances is definitely highlighted here. I don’t think I’d give a crap about this one way or the other if he was honest about his own opportunism.

        • 339 EricsRenfield
          May 26, 2010 at 7:56 am

          If Bill could glamour Sookie to have her do as he wanted, say perhaps if he justified it to himself that it was for her own good, do you think he would?

      • 341 Ziggy
        May 26, 2010 at 7:17 am

        What’s interesting about it is that they’ve *scripted* it so that Ms Smallwood actually asks if he wants to change his clothes, and he says no. That little exchange wasn’t really necessary for the storyline if the intention was to show what a ‘southern gentleman’ Bill was.

        So one can only suspect they’ve included that little exchange for another reason, because it’s really non very gentlemanly at all of him to wander around half dressed with a strange lady in the house.

        • 342 VikingLover
          May 27, 2010 at 2:52 am

          {Ashley wrote: the woman even asked if he wanted to put on clothes and he said no}

          Ah but what we see here Ladies is a con artist at his best. Bill doesn’t just say “no”, he says “no” and then adds “as I said, I’m running late. Doesn’t bother you…?” as in “it doesn’t REALLY bother you does it?”. This guy is GOOD. What he does here is turn the tables on her – he put her on the defensive and made HER feel like a prude for feeling uncomfortable that he wasn’t wearing a shirt. So what does she do? She immediately tries to prove that it doesn’t REALLY bother her because she has a complete open mind and is no prude. She even does a little version of a fist pump and tries to come off as relaxed and lighthearted about the whole thing. However, when he turns around, she does make a face. This was total manipulation! As I said before, this guy is good! Let’s not forget what he said to Sookie in ep 10 “humans are susceptable to even the simplest forms of thought manipulation”.

          • 343 Ashley
            May 27, 2010 at 8:23 pm

            yep you are right…he is a master at his little game, thats for sure. I said in an earlier post that hes good at what he does. He manipulated her in such a way that made it obvious hes had much practice.

    • 344 MASpencer
      May 26, 2010 at 4:53 am

      This scene was presented ambiguously on purpose. I don’t think it’s either all one way or the other, either black or white– more likely it’s a frustrating combination of both.

      Really, though, that’s why the team wars are so brutal with this show. There is no clearcut hero or villain. And I’m not sure there ever will be.

      • 345 Pat
        May 26, 2010 at 5:22 am

        I think AB does on purpose so stir up both sides. While there are team wars there will be interest and people watching the show.

      • May 26, 2010 at 1:34 pm

        [There is no clearcut hero or villain. And I’m not sure there ever will be.]

        So true, MAS, and that’s why I like this show so much.

    • 347 VampirePamsGirl
      May 26, 2010 at 6:43 am

      I can see where you’re coming from with this Pat and I think too a large part of it plays into what was said earlier about people seeing what they want to see. The BLs want to see their sweet southern gentleman and that is what they see here. We want to see the Bill we know from the books and that is what we see here. Both sides can argue their points very well and I doubt either side would back down one inch. I’d really like to have someone that hasn’t even watched TB before view this clip and see what they thought about it because, as I said before, Bill seems so fake to me it just seems crazy that anybody couldn’t see that, but I also know that I am clearly biased and I can’t say for certain how much that plays into how I view it.

      • 348 Pat
        May 26, 2010 at 10:09 am

        That is a great idea, to get someone that isn’t into the books or TB to watch the clip and see what they say about it!

        Having said that, I don’t know where to find such a person, even my friends that are not into it have had to put up with me talking about it so much that I think even they would be Eric biased, hehehe

      • 349 KittyKat
        May 26, 2010 at 12:33 pm

        Also, most BL’s are people that actually started watching TB when it started on HBO. They saw Bill, the perfect gentleman, doing and saying all proper things, and had enough time to digest that and treat what was show as the honest truth. But then, the show started getting new people, most notably in late S2 (as the ratings show). Most of these people started out by seeing the current episodes, getting bored by Bill’s posture and liking Eric more, and then backtracking to the older episodes and seeing them all in one siting (I know I did), then maybe read the books (not all did, but I for one was a latecomer to the SVM). The perception gotten this way is completely different.

        • May 26, 2010 at 1:39 pm

          I watched the first season, then began to read the books, then continued with the second season. And though in the first place I had no clue of what Bill was actually, I never fell for him.
          He’s bored me since the third episode. 🙂

  25. 351 Mony
    May 26, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Ladies you said everything and i’m noty going to tell this twice..
    Bill is the same Bill he was with Lorena…a liar, manipulatve southern gentleman *rolling her eyes* whoìs not capable to be 1”% honest with his gf….that’s the big difference with Eric, the Viking shows exactly what he is to Sookie, she knows damn well his nature, of course she has to go deep in him to find how human he could be and hoe he coul love her more that he want to admit…..but Bill and Eric are Dark and Light….

    Another thing….we have the same robe ok…..but did you know that at the end of 1×12 when he plays piano he plays the same song that he used to do with Lorena????

  26. 356 kelly
    May 26, 2010 at 10:44 am

    i just wanna say one slightly related thing.

    ha ha ha ha it was dabne’s mum from malcolm in the middle. lol!

  27. 357 Dunkinstiks
    May 26, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Yuck Bill looks old enough for this broad and is it just me or is SM looking a little long in the tooth? As usual all BL’s are focusing on is how hawt SM looks in this minisode and to hell with the meaning, talk about burying your head in the sand. I also noticed how most of the BL’s are saying they are done with TB after this season or before, I guess they don’t want see Bill’s down fall? It’s like the Bookies who reading the series at book 1 or 2, insane idiots. 😉

  28. 358 Mia
    May 26, 2010 at 11:18 am

    I thought this minisode was pretty creepy, and I don’t think it’s really ambiguous. Bill cheating the saleswoman can’t be justified by her “objectifying” him. As others have said, the fact that she calls attention to his state of undress twice, and he does nothing to remedy it, and then sits extremely close to her on the sofa, probably made her think she had a shot with him. Maybe this poor woman read the same Cosmo article about sex with vampires that the woman in Merlotte’s read when Sookie was reading thoughts in S1?

    As she said, Bill’s the first vampire she’s met. She’s curious because the general stereotype is that vampires are about sex. Bill is doing NOTHING to correct that idea and actually encourages it. He then forces her to reveal her private thoughts, which upped the creep factor. Most people might fantasize about someone that they are attracted to, but it doesn’t mean that they would act on those fantasies. The woman certainly does not deserve to be cheated and quite probably, lose her job, because of Bill.

    I guess it will be interesting to see where TB is going with their version of Bill.

    • 359 sunnynala
      May 26, 2010 at 1:02 pm

      Right on Mia. I don’t find it ambiguous either. He used her private desire against her and cared not that she would probably lose her job AND have to make up the difference in the cost of the ring. This might break her, considering she’s a divorcee in her 50’s doing a job that probably only pays a little more than minimum wage.

      As someone pointed out at my blog, the same thing with the cop: Bill took his gun and the poor guy probably lost his job.

      I love how Bill uses “progressive” language to cover his evildoing. With the lady, she was ‘sexually objectifying’ him, and the cop was ‘profiling’ him.

    • 364 AstralRomance
      May 26, 2010 at 2:32 pm

      I don’t hate Bill as much as some people here I just find him boring and annoying and he takes up way too much screen time. With that being said I seriously doubted that AB would ever show “his Bill” in a nasty light but now I’m starting to change my mind on that.

      I thought Bill’s behaviour against Mr’s Smallwood was disgraceful from leading her on using her private thoughts against her to practically stealing from her and maybe costing her her job. Worse of all for me was the fact that he did all this to get an engagement ring for the woman I thought he said he loved. I think how he went about getting this ring which should be a symbol of love, commitment and honour is very telling. I’m finally starting to agree with you all that Mr. Compton ain’t what he proclaims to be and we are finally starting to see that on screen with no interpretation needed.

      • 365 sunnynala
        May 26, 2010 at 2:36 pm

        Sookie was disgusted with him for glamouring that cop and broke up with him because of it.

        Sookie would NEVER read a person’s deepest thoughts and then blackmail them with it for personal gain, which is EXACTLY what Bill did with Mrs. Smallwood.

        • 366 AstralRomance
          May 26, 2010 at 2:43 pm

          Too true. Could you just imagine how Sookie would react if she knew how he got the ring don’t mind the why. When she finds out what is really going on it’s going to make for some great tv.

          • 367 LLE
            May 26, 2010 at 3:07 pm

            Sookie will walk out on him and 24 hours later she shows up and they have sex. Their relationship is all about sex.

    • 368 VampirePamsGirl
      May 26, 2010 at 10:26 pm

      “Most people might fantasize about someone that they are attracted to, but it doesn’t mean that they would act on those fantasies.”

      Excellent point Mia! I’ve read a few opinions of people saying that Ms. Smallwood got what she deserved because she was objectifying Bill. The thing is though who hasn’t had fantasies that probably aren’t the most politcally, morally, and any other form of correct? I know I have thought about doing many things that I would never actually do and probably never even admit to thinking about. Just because she wanted it didn’t mean that she was going to act on it or even say anything about it, but Bill took away that choice from her.

      • 369 Ashley
        May 27, 2010 at 8:32 pm

        People that say the woman got what she deserved because she was objectifying Bill are hilarious to me, because Bill didnt give a crap about being objectified and knew he would be, and used it to his advantage. Bill probably has had woman drool over him many times and i seriously doubt he would be offended by it. Look at how his relationship with Sookie started. She would have NEVER said that she wanted him to ravage her. That was her secret fantasy that Bill brought out. What is wrong with a fantasy? I say nothing.

        • 370 MASpencer
          May 27, 2010 at 9:08 pm

          My theory is that he glamoured a memory of a wild night with him after the camera cut. That way, he gets the ring at cost, and she gets to have her fantasies fulfilled– it becomes a parallel of the Lafayette/Eddie situation.

          Basically, Bill prostituted himself, but can rationalize it away… because he didn’t actually DO anything.

        • 372 EricObsessed
          May 27, 2010 at 10:41 pm

          VPG and Ashley, I totally agree with you and what I find really funny is that all these BLs who are saying that she was objectifying Bill only took those words out of his mouth. They didn’t come up with that on their own. It’s like he’s glamoring them too! LOL

          • 373 sunnynala
            May 27, 2010 at 10:43 pm

            They take his every word as gospel and don’t bother to question. They’re just like Sookie, lol.

    • 374 Ashley
      May 27, 2010 at 8:27 pm

      This is exactly what i think, and honestly i thought it was obvious what Bill was trying to accomplish but maybe thats just me.

  29. 375 CarolB
    May 26, 2010 at 11:21 am

    All I can say is I’m glad I know what side of the fence I’m on :-). If BL’s give up on TB and the books, it’s their loss. Probably so deluded though they won’t realise that. How any right-minded woman cannot appreciate the downright perfection that is AS is just beyond me!

  30. 376 JonnaRose
    May 26, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    OK you guys, no throwing things at me, but Bill was kinda hot in this clip. I mean, he’s totally an asshole who took advantage of this poor woman (I LOVE that character actress, by the way) but this is the first time in forever I remember seeing Bill with a sense of humor. He was relaxed, deadly, and loving it. I think his amusement, as much as anything else, shows that this is his true character. I even expected him to smirk, a la Eric, when he said he was a “one human vampire.” The dastardliness (makin up words here) is terrible in it’s implications for Sookie, but makes Bill (and Moyer) SO much more compelling.

    • May 26, 2010 at 2:17 pm

      I’m not going to throw things at you. I absolutely agree. It does make Bill’s character so much more interesting.
      And I’m all for it 😀

      • 378 LLE
        May 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm

        Stephen is doing great job playing Bill and really Bill is the bad boy playing the good guy. Sookie thinks Bill is her hero but she going be in shock when she find out the truth about what Bill is really like.

        • 379 Liz
          May 26, 2010 at 8:12 pm

          yes, i agree, i said somewhere else that in all the season 3 clips so far Bill is looking much better than last season, i suppose its because he’s not playing dress up in the clips we have seen

    • 380 KPRMSE
      May 26, 2010 at 2:26 pm

      I completely agree too. I’m looking forward to seeing more swarmy moments and dastardilness from him as Bill’s mask is removed.

      • 381 A Nothern Soul
        May 26, 2010 at 4:23 pm

        I agree, JonnaRose, and as I’ve said before, I like TB Bill much better than
        snoozeworthy book Bill. Is he creepier and sketchier than BB? Hell yes, and the
        that he’s hot in season 1 (the elvis hair and man bangs did him no justice in S2)and has had his moments makes the character all the more interesting. It’s also going to make
        his fall from grace much more dramatic, and Sookie hooking up with Eric so much
        sweeter!

    • 382 Serena
      May 26, 2010 at 2:39 pm

      I thought that he was kinda hot too, and then I had the urge to commit seppuku. lol. I think its because he is being loose and smarmy, his true vampy self. Its not the constrained, forced act he plays for Sookie. It reminded me a lot of episode 1 Bill. I think his eyes were also fluttering around a bit and that may have something to do with it. lol.

      This is his first time in forever that I can remember him not yelling or threatening anybody. lol.

      On his dastardly side,.. too bad he can’t have a dog sidekick named Muttley. Sassafrassarassum Rick Rastardly. If only he could train up Jessica to speak like that. lol.

    • 383 LLE
      May 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm

      Bill in the books did not have sense of humor. Stephen has a great sense of humor and he is great actor. I enjoy watching him play Bill. I don’t want Bill with Sookie because they are bad for each other.

  31. 384 ESFAN08
    May 26, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    I’m no Bill Fan, but i have to say i prefer Book Bill over TB Bill cuz he wasn’t going around acting like a saint. The way Bill was in Season 1 is the way he should be, last Season Bill just drove me nuts with the hypocrisy/sainthood act. I’ve never wanted Bill an Sookie together even in the Books i’m an Eric Fan all the way, an just feel her an Eric are better suited for eachother. However at this point i cant even deal with TB Bill when he’s on screan half the time i wanna throw something at my Tv lol especially when him an Sookie are in scenes together. I mean atleat Season 1 Bill didn’t make me scream, an wanna throw things everytime he was on screan. I’m really hoping we see a different Bill this Season, an his lies start to come out so Sookie can wake up already, an grow up. I mean watching Sookie in the Minisode she knows really nothing about Bill, never asks questions just assumes he’s telling her the truth, an is trustworthy even after he’s been caught not telling her everything in the past its just pathetic. I know this is her first Relationship an all that, but come on isn’t it common sense for anyone to atleast question things, an wanna know more about the Person. This shows that Bill an Sookie obviously dont really open up like Couples normally would when dating atleast on Bill’s end he doesn’t. I mean Bill an Sookie’s been on 1 real date, an that was the proposal otherwise they’ve hung out at eachothers Houses, an had sex lol. I just wanna see Sookie grow up some, an her learn from this, an not make these same mistakes again. I wanna see a strong Sookie like in the Books, an we just haven’t seen that from her IMO yet. However when shes away from Bill, an around Eric i like the Sookie i see she acts more grown up then when around Bill. I’m sorry i guess i’ve gone off topic here so i’ll leave my take on the Bill Minisode. I really donno how a Vampire can even run late when they have Vamp speed, but whatever even assuming he was behind in getting ready. Bill answers his Door in an open robe knowing this Woman was coming, if he was such a Gentleman, an didn’t wanna be objectified lol he would have said hold on a minute let me go put something on. Bill had every intention of putting on that lil show, an glamoring the Woman knowing what she would say, so he could use that as an excuse to rip her off, an then be able to try an justify what he did. This is the very thing that pisses me off Bill cant do anything negative without having a justification behind it even a ridiculous one. I donno if this is the Bill AB wants us to see that ultimatately Bill’s a hypocrite, or if he wants us to be like the BL’s an say oh see Bill did that cuz of this reason here otherwise he wouldn’t have done it ridiculous. Bill was also sitting way to close to her he saw how much she wanted him even before she said it, so he should have been sitting atleast a foot away from her. I donno i could go on an on lol, but i wont. I was laughing at the BL’s over at the Vault i think it was, one said Sookie does know her Bill, an if she was there she would have been proud of the way Bill handled that Woman lol dilusional i tell ya. I mean the Minisode proved Sookie doesn’t know Bill, an Sookie’s never been ok with glamoring People in that way, she got pissed when he glamored that Cop in Season 1, so why would she be ok with Bill ripping off an old Woman, an her getting introuble, possibly losing her Job cuz of it. I’ll stop now i’ve gone on long enough lol.

    • 385 Mony
      May 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm

      “Sookie does know her Bill, an if she was there she would have been proud of the way Bill handled that Woman”

      OMG i split my thè over my macbook!!!!!!

      • 386 LLE
        May 26, 2010 at 2:59 pm

        The Bill’s fans don’t know Sookie. Sookie would been pest at Bill and walk out on him. Twenty-four hours later Sookie will show up at his house and have sex.

  32. 387 Mony
    May 26, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    OK i dont’ know where to put this…it’s juts a WARNING for next day ’till we have it published…
    First 3 episode’s review…..(Sookiverse u can delete this after u read it, it’s just to let u know..ahah)

    “Deliciously funny, crazy scary and genuinely heart-breaking — the first three episodes feature some of the most amazing acting, cHaracter introductions and dialogue the show Has ever served up.

    One of this season’s major themes: Eric & Sookie’s emotional tug-of-war”

  33. 392 Mony
    May 26, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    ok….seems i had problems to post…my message with the link doesn’t appear……
    BTW…it was from New York Post

    • 393 VikingLover
      May 26, 2010 at 5:02 pm

      Hi Mony, I’m not sure if you had a chance to read SVB’s post/comment yesterday. We do not want OT links posted on the threads because the threads are becoming too large to accomodate them. If it’s breaking news, SVB will definitely create a new post for it.

      • 394 Mony
        May 26, 2010 at 6:18 pm

        ok..sorry..i wanted to let u know about this…is in the New Yor Post and the title is Sookie gets Eric’s ‘Blood’ pumping.

  34. 395 Dee
    May 26, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Not really a spoiler since many of us know this already…here is what zeljko Ivanek(magister) said about TB

    tvguide:Give me a good tease about True Blood’s new season. — Holly
    MICKEY: Zeljko Ivanek (aka the best guest star of everything) returns as the Magister, and he’s cracking down on the illegal V trade in Louisiana. This is a problem for the Queen, since she’s tacitly allowing it, and for Eric and Pam, since they’re running it.

    • 396 MASpencer
      May 26, 2010 at 5:11 pm

      The language used here is surprising. The Queen is “tacitly allowing” the operation, but Eric and Pam are “running it?”

      That makes it sound like THEY hatched the plan, and the Queen just didn’t stop them. And that’s not the impression I got at all. I thought it was very clear that the Queen was EXPLICITLY ORDERING Eric to sell V.

      But maybe not. This could get interesting.

      • 397 LLE
        May 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm

        Eric is following the Queen’s order. It’s not Eric and Pam ideal. It was mention with Eric was talking to the Queen.

      • 398 Dee
        May 26, 2010 at 5:40 pm

        See that worries me now. Is this the impression the magister has? if so is it because the queen is trying to deny further involvement and tries to pin it all on Eric and Pam. The part that worries me is that Eric might not rat out the queen and explain what really happened. I understand loyalty but this is going too far and I hope he doesn’t take the fall. In a way, I was hoping he was the rat in episode 10. Of course I dont like to think of him as a rat but what I mean is to rat out QSA and bring her down. I was hoping he was making a will since at the trial he will go against QSA and knows that can be dangerous.

        Although, in the interview it’s possible he is just telling us what the impression will be. The Magister can originally think that Eric and Pam are running it based on evidence he found. He might also find out that QSA knows about it but hasn’t done anything to stop it so she is just allowing it. Maybe he just hasn’t found out all the facts yet.

        • 399 LLE
          May 26, 2010 at 5:57 pm

          I don’t think Eric is loyal to the Queen at all. The Queen is very crazy and I doubt Eric respect crazy vampire. Eric could be working under cover.

        • 400 MASpencer
          May 26, 2010 at 7:32 pm

          I could totally see Sophie-Anne throwing Eric under the bus. What’s the point of being in power if you don’t have a fall guy?

          For what it’s worth, this notion further supports the idea that Sophie-Anne might be behind Eric’s amnesia– and that she ordered the spell in order to keep him from spilling what he knows. I’m sure that Eric and the Queen are the ONLY vampires who are aware of the TRUE nature of their arrangement– and that includes Pam, as I can see Eric ordering her to take the V to Lafayette without giving her any further explanation, so as to minimize her own liability in the situation. He would know that the less SHE knows, the better.

          So I think Eric will be taking one for the team here… problem is, without his memory, it is impossible for him to devise a way out of it. For all he would know, the V selling WAS his idea. And Sophie-Anne would very much like to keep that false impression intact, at whatever cost.

          • 401 Dee
            May 26, 2010 at 7:49 pm

            I was thinking the same thing about QSA being behind the spell on Eric. I just wonder how that would all play out after. Would Sookie need to hide him? Well no matter how they change AE, he still better end up staying with Sookie.

            • 402 VikingLover
              May 26, 2010 at 9:22 pm

              {So I think Eric will be taking one for the team here… }

              This could also lead back to a point Dee made in one of the other threads. In an interview KB said that her relationship with Eric would parallel E/G’s relationship in S3.

              • 403 Dee
                May 26, 2010 at 9:36 pm

                And I forgot to mention that the interview was recent and she said the next scenes she was about to shoot are gonna be crazy and filled with action. She said we wont believe what happens. Now really makes you think. So has to be episode 11 she was talking about.

          • 404 LLE
            May 26, 2010 at 8:21 pm

            Queen would not put Eric under a spell. The Queen would have someone to kill Eric. Dead men tell no tales.

      • 405 sunnynala
        May 26, 2010 at 6:35 pm

        No, you’re right MAS. The queen is SUPPLYING the blood–whether it is her own or other vamps, it doesn’t matter–that is hardly ‘tacit’. she is ABOVE Eric so it is unthinkable that she didn’t order the operation.

  35. 406 sunnynala
    May 26, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Dee–(moving this down because it’s getting crowded up there 😉 )

    Sunny-but what if we find out that Eric got his money the same way? he has enough money to open up his own bar. We also don’t know what he was doing before the big reveal but I’m sure that he wasn’t working a normal job. Again, this is why I don’t judge a vampire on that fact.

    What would we do if we were in the same situation? We would not be able to work normal jobs, so how would any vampire get money? There is just no way around it, so we can’t exactly place the same morals on them as we would with humans, not with every situation at least.

    Dee I promise you: If I see Eric slaughtering innocents for fun and profit, if I see clear evidence he is as corrupt as Bill, I will condemn him just as harshly as I have Bill. You have my word.

    And then I will go kill myself.

    Lol. Anyway, It’s not going to happen. I have no doubt Eric has killed and probably stolen but the question is what is the context? WHY did he kill? HOW did he kill? WHO did he kill? WHO did he rob and was it for profit or survival? Did he viciously kill innocents even when he wasn’t hungry and just for fun? If he had to kill someone to survive was it quick and merciful?

    Did he ever work and pay his own way before buying Fangtasia, pre-Revelation I might add–and how DID he get the money? Vikings receive a lot of training in a lot of diverse areas. I’ve no doubt Eric was a capable, hard-working human. I can’t see why getting assimilated and working a trade would be impossible for pre-Revelation vampires. I think Godric may have been an artisan, a sculptor maybe. Artists always keep night hours, and so do Innkeepers and pub owners. IOW, there were ways for vampires to make an honest living if they really wanted to. Even Lorena and Bill were an entertainment duo, but they used it as a cover to con and kill. Why didn’t they just make kinky friends with the couple? Think of the contacts to all those well-to-do swingers, some of whom might even be willing blood donors. No, they would rather slaughter and steal.

    • 407 Dee
      May 26, 2010 at 6:51 pm

      I know when it comes to vampires it’s hard for everyone to agree about what is right and what is wrong. I just accept it as who they are and would even find it odd if they didn’t kill. There are different ways they could’ve gone about it but at the end of the day they still had to kill. I also wouldn’t like it if they tried to change a vampires nature on the show.

      I don’t know if they could’ve really worked anywhere, maybe a few but not all. You have to remember that many jobs you need SS, you need to show some type of papers. Hey many places even ask for your DL. These are all things that vampires couldn’t have. Same as not allowing people to take their pics, it can later on show that they haven’t aged and would reveal what they are. Sure there are off the book jobs but then again they are not always easy to find and you still have to worry about being revealed for what you are. A pub owner, again has to have papers, has to get a liquor license and don’t see how a vampire can do this. So if they show this, then I would find it unrealistic. I know odd to say when we are supposed to believe vampires can exist but they should at least follow through with what they can or can’t do. So in the end, without being able to have SS, definitely not their own since it would show they were dead, other forms of ID, I don’t know just how many were able to work regular jobs. I’m sure some were able to do some jobs where they didn’t have to worry about that but for most I don’t see how possible it could be.

  36. 408 sunnynala
    May 26, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Dee–

    Sunny-yes, but like I said in another post they couldn’t just glamour everyone they got blood from. Was it possible they had willing donors before coming out of the coffin, of course but not many. Even if there were willing donors, vampires still had their identity to worry about. What I mean is, they leave marks when biting anybody and they can glamour somebody all they want and even glamour someone to think the marks are from something else but what about those around the person they fed from? They didn’t go around glamouring everyone this person knew to make them believe otherwise too. People would get very suspicious if they saw someone they knew with such bite marks. Especially if we go even further back, people would’ve automatically thought the worst.

    Of course not, but look at Sookie. She doesn’t have any fang marks because she had drunk vampire blood. A vampire only has to give his donor a drop or so of blood to heal the fang marks right up and nobody would ever know.

    • 409 sunnynala
      May 26, 2010 at 7:23 pm

      crap, messed up the blockquote tags–anyway, my comment, edited slightly:

      Of course not, but look at Sookie. She doesn’t have any fang marks because she has drunk vampire blood. A vampire only had to give his donor a drop or so of his blood to heal the fang marks right up and nobody would ever know.

      • 410 Dee
        May 26, 2010 at 7:35 pm

        She does though, remember when she had to wear the scarf. Also, not sure how many vamps like giving their blood. At least in the books this was something rare for Eric. He told Sookie he hadn’t given anyone his own blood in a very long time, and that Pam was the last person he gave blood to before Sookie. Before Pam, he couldn’t even remember when he did this. Although, on the show he has given Lafayette his own blood so I hate that it took away from how rare it was that he gave Sookie blood. But i’ll excuse it this one time lol.

        • 411 LLE
          May 26, 2010 at 8:17 pm

          Two reason Eric gave Lafayette blood.

          Eric need Lafayette to sell vampire blood.
          Eric knows that Sookie cares about Lafayette and he did it for Sookie.

  37. 412 A Nothern Soul
    May 26, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Keep in mind that most vamps have been around for a few centuries or more, and lived during times when social security, driver’s licences and such didn’t exist. The shrewd and
    wealthy ones like Eric and QSA have had centuries of navigating through human and vamp
    societies, and that’s plenty of time to build up a large fortune. Have they done so on the
    up and up? Probably not, but it can be attributed to survival of the fittest. I’m sure
    they’ve encountered many challenges in their long lives, and are more than ready to handle any that modern society throws at them.

    As for Bill…he’s still fairly young. Definitely not as shrewd as some of the
    older vamps, as shown on TB with his impulse control problems and his temper. (anger management, anyone?)I’m also thinking Lorena was instrumantal in getting them those gigs
    in the early 20th century. She’s older and seems much more ‘worldly” than Baby Billy. SinceBill has been on his own for several decades, and since he’s not clever enough to play politics like a certain Viking we know, he’s certainly not clever enough to stand on his own feet and be a survivor. Hence his employement with QSA, which was probably a sweet deal for him. Seduce a human, get a few meals out of it with the bloodsucking, and deliver her to the Queen? No problemo! Only it’s not going to be that easy, is it?

    • 413 Dee
      May 26, 2010 at 7:44 pm

      You are correct Northern soul. I was mostly referring to a few decades before the reveal up until now and didn’t go back further which I should’ve. Yes, I can definitely see them navigating their way through human and vamp society. Probably easier in some ways to get a job back then but even without having to worry about things such as SS and DL, some jobs would’ve been hard no matter what.

      Plus, I have to add that the appeal of vampires is taken away from me if I picture them all as hard working vamps who just wanted to find a regular job somehow. Makes them too normal then which takes away the fantasy aspect of it lol.

      • 414 A Nothern Soul
        May 26, 2010 at 8:11 pm

        I agree with you, Dee! Though I can’t see Eric ever having worked a boring, mundane
        job. Bill, on the other hand, I dread thinking of in that situation. Especially
        anything having to do with the public, like a bar or restaurant. Could you imagine
        some asshole customer pissing him off? He’d lose it and drain them in a heartbeat.

    • 416 MASpencer
      May 26, 2010 at 7:50 pm

      Oh, these are SUCH good points. Poor Bill is stuck doing con jobs because he has no natural business acumen. LOL.

      Seriously, though, I agree– he definitely relied heavily on Lorena for survival when they were together. And I think she made it that way on purpose, so that he would never get any bright ideas about leaving.

      In the end, he left anyway… and couldn’t hack it. So he went right back to his old tricks, because it’s the only thing he ever knew. It’s actually a little bit sad. But still… way to aim for self-improvement, Bill. Sheesh.

  38. 417 Liz
    May 26, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    i think all through history, and now there have always been forgotten people, who live on the outskirts of society, orphans, prostitutes, widows ect that would make for easy blood donors with a little glamor, and gifts. They would make good day people to conduct their buisness transactions. Owning businesses, or shares doesnt require too much if you have a reliable manager, lawyer, and an accountant

    • 418 sunnynala
      May 26, 2010 at 8:52 pm

      Exactly Liz, exactly. And let’s not forget the demimonde, the well-to-do Libertines who were always up for unusual experiences outside the normal bounds of society. Those kind of people could be befriended and provide open doors for business opportunities and willing sex partners/blood donors.

      • 419 Liz
        May 26, 2010 at 9:21 pm

        didnt BE mention there were people used like for this in their old ways when he was explaining what Tara was to Mickey?

        • 420 Dee
          May 26, 2010 at 9:45 pm

          Do you mean how she was passed along? Yes, but Eric talks about this actually. He has a long conversation with Sookie in Fangtasia about quite a few things. They discuss dracula and Reinfeld. Eric hated having such humans and thought it was disgusting, he even said that he didn’t understand how someone like Dracula would want a human like that. He felt it took away from what the person actually was and they became just slaves to the vamps and basically worthless humans. So much so that they would have to be turned or killed and in most cases killed. I cant remember all the details how he said it, but I have the book on my phone so can quote it if you want.

          • 421 LLE
            May 26, 2010 at 9:49 pm

            They could not be turn because become useless like Bubba. When the vampires dies they have to killed the slave.

            • 422 Dee
              May 26, 2010 at 10:03 pm

              Yes, thank you for reminding me of how it was told, i couldn’t remember the exact dialogue. But I just looked it up on my phone and yeah they would just killed or like Eric said “they have to be put down”

    • 423 Dee
      May 26, 2010 at 8:54 pm

      As blood donors yes…but a vamp can’t own a business because it would still be under his name if he owned it. Again, vamps will try to avoid any paper trail. Putting it in someones name then it can work. But then we come back to the same point, where did a vamp get the money to own a business.

      • 424 Dee
        May 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm

        I meant to say **putting it in someone elses name**

        but again this also goes back to vamp appeal and what makes them interesting. Sure there were times where blood donors were easy to come by but other times I am sure it wasn’t. So overall throughout their existance we can’t just assume everyone was willing. Having regular jobs again takes away what makes vampires interesting lol. I dont want to see flashbacks of their lives where they just worked regular jobs at night and slept all day. Not only that but they had to move around a lot, depending on where they were well jobs were not always easy to come by. One person can have a trade in one area of expertise but that trade might not be handy in another part of the world they were in. And who would read, or watch anything to do with vamps if this is the life they lead lol.

        Again this also goes back to being both good and evil. Just because there were times they might’ve stolen from people or killed them, doesn’t mean it’s how they always handled things. Remember that even in the books, Eric said he killed in the beginning even without wanting to. The nature of a vampire is a predator.

        • 425 LLE
          May 26, 2010 at 9:33 pm

          Sookie in the books know that the vampires are predator.

          • 426 Dee
            May 26, 2010 at 9:41 pm

            Exactly! and she has come to accept them for their nature. Since the books do portray them as predators and show that they are both good and evil, then I think this theme will play out on TB. This is the spirit of the vamps in the books and if AB keeps to the spirit of the books, I think he will stay close to how the vamps are portrayed in the books. Eric talked about his time with Appius in book 9.

            • 427 LLE
              May 26, 2010 at 9:47 pm

              Sookie on the show does not realized that Bill is a predator. Sooner or later, Sookie going to find out about Bill being a predator.

              In book two Sookie wanted to know where Bill’s money came from because he spend most night with her. Then she realized that Bill could glamor people and rob them.

              On the show, Sookie don’t care where Bill get the money.

      • 428 sunnynala
        May 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm

        You have to remember we’re talking about a millenia. In past centuries a ‘paper trail’ was not necessary. People didn’t even have ID’s and SS cards and birth certificates. Basically, a person or a vamp was whoever they said they were in a strange town or country where people didn’t know who they were.

        Once such identifiers became necessary to navigate society how hard would it be for a vamp to obtain fake ID’s? A sixteen yr old kid can do it.

        • 430 Dee
          May 26, 2010 at 9:17 pm

          I understand but then again, how would they get the money to open any type of business? Sure a new vamp can get a job and work hard and save but just saying that makes it funny to me. This is why we never get to see any vampires like this is any books about vamps, shows or movies. Maybe except Dr. Cullen who is a doctor and makes his money that way lol. But I think thats also the problem with how vamps are viewed now. I like the way vamps were pre-twilight lol.

          But back to the point. Now Eric is very old so some of those things can apply to him, but others are not as old and they lived during a time of birth certificates and records of them. A bit off topic but watching that show “who do you think you are” it’s so interesting to see the type of records kept even so long ago and how far back they were able to trace their ancestors just by these records.

          Yes, I will go along that this could’ve happened with some vamps but majority hmmmm I don’t know about that. If vamps didn’t even allow anybody to even take their pics, I don’t know about fake id’s or any of that either. It’s still evidence of them. I am not trying to discourage that there might be some vampires who went that route but I also don’t think we can say this is how vamps generally lived. You see how they feel about humans, I cant picture one working for a human. If they own a business ok I can see that a little bit more but again if it’s a vamp who would never work for humans, you have to wonder how he got the money.

        • 431 Osterby
          May 27, 2010 at 12:08 am

          I’d also add that the Industrial Barons of the 19th and early 20th centuries didn’t pay income tax. Google the Biltmore Estate. These were the type of homes these people built. And yes, no SS, society was less regulated. I would imagine it would be easy to pass your own wealth to a distant relative from the old country who bore a remarkable resemblence to yourself.

      • 432 Liz
        May 26, 2010 at 9:15 pm

        if they bought it under an alias, with, or without fake id, depending on the century, it could be handed down from father to son(create new fake persona to be your own heir)
        you could do this worldwide, and have lawyers transfer the earnings for you wherever you are

        • 433 Dee
          May 26, 2010 at 9:23 pm

          I think this is just going to come down to how people want to view vamps. If that is how others want to view vamps then I say ok fine and won’t discourage it. I personally prefer my vampires different and just can’t buy into a vamp living their whole vampire existance in a pure and honest way.

          So I think this is a case of having to agree to disagree. Again, i can see how maybe it can happen in some cases but an overall view of vampires thats when I question it. I’m sure there were could be some vamps who lived this way, in a fictional world of course lol.

          • 434 Liz
            May 26, 2010 at 10:15 pm

            oh i agree, i think they do what they do for survival, and i like that im just pointing out that some vamps have been able to build themselves an empire, and no longer need to scrounge in the gutter for their next meal ect…

            A vamp who has an empire, will have the means to travel, support, and satisfy their meals on wheels where as a vamp who doesnt invest, buy propery, ect will probably not be able to afford to keep many pets

            • 435 Dee
              May 26, 2010 at 10:19 pm

              I actually would love if they would show us more of Eric’s background on the show. See how he did get his money and even became sheriff. I doubt we’ll get full details but just a taste would be nice.

            • 436 Liz
              May 26, 2010 at 10:28 pm

              i also dont think it would have ANYTHING to do with living a lawful life, but more for pride, and power that they would want to accumulate. They seem to enjoy wealth, and over time, i imagine one gets craftier and craftier.

              • 437 Dee
                May 26, 2010 at 10:34 pm

                YES!!! and that is part of what I meant to say is the appeal. I realize now I sound like I’m saying the appeal is that they kill lol but not true.

                Vamps are supposed to be different, we do think of them as rich, sophisticated and worldly. They think they are better than humans so I don’t think they have any desire to live a normal human type life. They would rather live a life that most humans only dream of, and maybe few humans experience.

                I agree with you, it is about pride and power.

        • 438 Dee
          May 26, 2010 at 9:25 pm

          But if we’re going THAT far back in time, I don’t know about anybody being able to transfer earnings wherever you are.

      • 439 Liz
        May 26, 2010 at 10:02 pm

        i could hardly hold it against them for stealing if they had no other means to earn an income, kinda like using the whole animal when hunting, lol

        • 440 Dee
          May 26, 2010 at 10:07 pm

          Very true lol…Maybe someone clever like Eric was able to find ways to own a business, I’ll give him that lol so can be possible. But I hope you realize that I meant vampires in general and wasn’t applying anything I said to any particular vamp on the show.

  39. May 26, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Before I go around this thread and just about agree with mostly everyone, haha, I’d like to non-shamefully point out that as soon as Bill takes off his mask, I’d hit it. And never call back.


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