Lurker-Bill to make his debut on True Blood?

Jennifer Thomas of PioneerLocal.com has posted an article on the first three episodes of True Blood season 3.

There are a few interesting tidbits within, and you should head over there to read the full piece.

This little snippet is of particular interest.

This season’s big bad is the werewolves, which gives plenty of opportunities to introduce (sorry, going for the easy pun here) fresh meat. But the wolves also aren’t taking away from the main characters, but actually adding new dimensions to them. For example, it’s revealed that Bill might have had his eye on Sookie for much longer than normal.


This ties in nicely with the Televisionary review a few weeks back, which revealed the following:

…James Frain’s Franklin Mott…uncovers a very intriguing subplot that could change our perceptions of certain events in the series’ very early days.

Sophie-Anne’s edict? The Rattrays bashing? A bit of both?

Either way, it seems we are going to find out what Bill is up to long before Sookie does.

Thanks Freyja.

Sookeh. Ah must reveal to yew now things of which ah am loathe to speak. At naht, while yew are sleeping, ah lurk in your woods and ah listen to your excessively raucous relations with that detestable Vahking. Oh, and ah am here to seduce yew for mah Queen.

177 Responses to “Lurker-Bill to make his debut on True Blood?”

  1. 1 Liz
    June 9, 2010 at 6:13 am

    omg…….. a shower dream scene? Sookie impersonating Beehl?
    so it seems Sookie went to the cops before she went to Eric? that explains part of the 6 hours. a shower scene……… wow, im stuck on that, and i really dont want to leave its such a nice place

  2. 2 Dee
    June 9, 2010 at 6:18 am

    Is the shower scene Bill and Sam? I can’t remember the pics perfectly but I guess I thought of that because it’s in a small hotel room and I think you can see a door open behind them and i’m guessing it’s the bathroom.

    This was my favorite part of course: “Eric, whose crush on Sookie appears to be getting serious”

    So Bill’s secret starts revealing itself withing the first 3 episodes. I’m so interested in how they’re going to make it known. Seems like FM uncovers little hints, I like how they’re doing this.

    • 3 Millarca
      June 9, 2010 at 6:26 am

      Ooh! I was so caught up in my paranoia about the shower scene I missed the bit about Eric’s crush. 😀

  3. 4 svmaddict
    June 9, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Amen. Give me some Queen’s edict, give me some pre-medicated (as Jason would say) Rattrays beating and I’ll be a happy girl this season.

    Loved the captions in that photo btw. Pure awesome.

  4. 5 Millarca
    June 9, 2010 at 6:23 am

    Bill the stalker? What’s “much longer than normal” mean in the context of Bill having his eye on Sookie? Goodness I hope he hasn’t been stalking her since high school. Next we’ll be told Sookie is a vampire slayer.

    I don’t like the sound of the bizarre dream shower scene. I want a real shower scene thank you very much TB writers! *stomps* *huffs*

  5. 9 Dee
    June 9, 2010 at 6:24 am

    Ok since FM works for Russell and has completed his mission by episode 5, assuming he finds out about the edict and tells Russell. Will Russell tell Eric since it appears they might be having a conversation about Sookie. Their conversation also takes place episode 6 so RE will know by then.

    I really think we might get the same scene as the book where Eric tells Sookie in the hospital or more like makes Bill tell her.

    • June 9, 2010 at 6:31 am

      Wow I like that Dee. Fits together nicely. Those pics of Anna all bandaged up were from episode 6, presumably that involved a visit to the hospital…

      • 11 Dee
        June 9, 2010 at 6:33 am

        This might also be the intense E/S moment in episode 6 that will have a lot of people talking and have strong feelings about.

        WOW we get so much by episode 6 lol

        • 13 CarolB
          June 9, 2010 at 7:34 am

          Plus that gives Sookie 6 episodes (which time-wise probably equals 2 days)to get over Beehl and get ready for AE!!!

          • 14 Millarca
            June 9, 2010 at 7:40 am

            I think that’s longer than it took her to get over him in S1 and start kissing Sam.

            • 15 Robin
              June 9, 2010 at 11:53 am

              Wow, so you guys are thinking the intense scene between Eric and Sookie may actually be the big bad reveal in the hospital?

        • 16 MASpencer
          June 9, 2010 at 12:41 pm

          This wouldn’t surprise me at all, Dee… very good call. The question is, how/why does Sookie end up in the hospital?

          I’m still of the mind that Bill (or maybe Lorena, but in keeping with the trunk scene, I’d like it to be Bill) hurts her (she has bandages on her neck, etc.) in the process of some mini-showdown at Russell’s place (which is when RE tells Eric what his “master plan” is, and also how he finds out about Bill). So Sookie would end up in the hospital that way, because Eric refuses to give her his blood (in an awesome counterpoint to what we saw with Bill after the Rattray beating).

          I’m guessing that even after the attack, Sookie is prepared to go back to Bill because they are engaged and Bill “loves” her. Eric can’t stand the thought of that happening, so he drops the bomb on her for her own good.

          • 17 Robin
            June 9, 2010 at 12:56 pm

            I think the reason Eric would not be able to give her his blood on this occasion is if she has almost been drained, she could possibly be turned into a vampire, thus the trip to the hospital. I am hoping he may give her his blood in an earlier episode.

            • 18 MASpencer
              June 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm

              See, I DON’T really want him to give her blood. It was one thing to pull that little trick with the bullet sucking… a few sips just gave her some sexy dreams and whatnot.

              But I’m thinking of how Eric warned Bill that he could “overcook” her after the maenad attack. (In fact, I think that’s probably the point at which his suspicions toward Bill reached fever pitch.) So I could see Eric exercising discretion in a matter like this, as a counterpoint to what we’ve seen from Bill. And I would appreciate it.

              • 19 sunnynala
                June 9, 2010 at 2:04 pm

                But I’m thinking of how Eric warned Bill that he could “overcook” her after the maenad attack. (In fact, I think that’s probably the point at which his suspicions toward Bill reached fever pitch.)

                You know, when I first watched that scene in Scratches I thought Eric looked a tad jealous of their closeness but now I see he DOES look suspicious of the fact that Bill is just letting her gulp his blood (as he did after the Rattray attack) when it would only have taken a little to heal her. And I agree, Eric would be more cautious of her and the possible ‘Renfield’ effect.

                • 20 MASpencer
                  June 9, 2010 at 2:12 pm

                  Totally, Sunny. And I think it’s significant that, right after, we see Eric showing up to offer the same “gift” to Lafayette.

                  These scenes are juxtaposed in two ways: 1) We see Eric swat Lafayette off when he knows he’s had enough, and 2) We also find out right after that Eric has plans to use Lafayette as a flunky. In other words, he didn’t JUST do it because he likes Lafayette and took an interest in Sookie. There was definitely an ulterior motive there.

                  • 21 MASpencer
                    June 9, 2010 at 2:35 pm

                    This also ties into the implicit suggestion that Sophie-Anne herself may have ordered Eric to give Lafayette his blood, to ensure his compliance.

                    If this is the case, Eric would DEFINITELY start connecting some dots with respect to Bill and Sookie’s “convenient” connection. Especially in light of all of Bill’s “Sookeh must be protected” talk.

                    • 22 LLE
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:17 pm

                      I doubt Eric has told the Queen that Lafayette is selling the V. Eric will do the best thing to keep his people out of trouble from the Queen. Eric is loyal and he won’t betray them.

                      Eric did not mention that Bill knows that he dealing the V until the Queen mention it.

                  • 23 Dee
                    June 9, 2010 at 7:22 pm

                    The Queen does know that Eric has a human dealing for him. The reason the queen even knows that Bill is aware of this is because of the conversation her guards heard between Bill and Eric outside of the mansion. Bill says to Eric, that he will tell the queen that Eric has humans dealing V for him. Even if she doesn’t know its Lafayette specifically she does know a human is selling it for them.

          • 24 MASpencer
            June 9, 2010 at 1:04 pm

            Also, another thought…

            Since we all think that Eric is going to hook up with Talbot and probably kill him (which may be completely off base, but for the sake of speculation…), I can only guess that Talbot either isn’t present for Eric’s encounter with Russell or has some other reason to think Eric doesn’t have ulterior motives for putting the moves on him. I’ve also wondered why Eric would move in on Talbot instead of going after Russell directly.

            What if Eric ultimately decides to go after Talbot because Russell was indirectly responsible for hurting Sookie? (Or directly responsible– it could be that he ORDERS one of the vamps to drain her. This would be in keeping with our theory that he WANTS to incite a war between humans and vamps. And I’m still not convinced that Sookie is really a hot commodity to anyone BUT Sophie-Anne, who may know of her fae heritage for one reason or another and is keeping it a secret.)

            If this is the case, then we have the eye-for-an-eye situation laid out for us. In other words, Russell hurt the woman Eric cares about, so he’s going to hurt the man that Russell cares about. I know, I know– it sounds really bad. But if Russell is actually revealed as the mastermind behind a werewolf Nazi commando unit– and Talbot is aware of this and was also complicit– I really don’t think we’re going to feel too bad for him.

            I mean, you want to make someone evil, you make them a Nazi. And the writers had to have chosen to make these two of that ilk for a reason.

            • 25 MASpencer
              June 9, 2010 at 1:29 pm

              Slightly OT, but along the lines of Russell being a rabble-rouser, I wouldn’t be suprised if we learn that he was involved in the murder of Ted Newlin– i.e. he ordered it to be done.

              If this was the case, it would serve two purposes: 1) It would establish his connection to Dallas, and potentially link back to him being Pussylover9, and 2) It would put Godric’s self-sacrifice into a more sensible context. His decision to offer himself to the FotS didn’t make much sense– UNLESS he did it in an effort to “make things right” in the hopes that they would be appeased by his death, and consider it proper justice… as opposed to declaring an all-out war on the vampire community.

              It would also make sense that Godric would opt NOT to “rat” Russell out, and would simply take one for the team. If we’re assuming that Russell was dangling something over Godric’s head, he couldn’t very well just come out and expose him without seeing either himself or his children (Eric and Pam) suffer some kind of consequences.

            • 26 CarolB
              June 9, 2010 at 1:33 pm

              I reckon Eric goes for Talbot to exact revenge for what RE did to Eric’s Dad, plus RE is twice as old as Eric, so is gonna be one BAMF to take out, even for our heroic viking.
              With the Nazi flashbacks, I’m guessing we’re going to see just how Godric played a buffering role between Eric/RE further explaining why his death has had these repercussions.
              Oh it’s going to be exciting to watch!
              And can I just say HOW addicted have I become to this place since I discovered it?! You ladies (and gents,if there are any?!) are awesome!!

              • 27 MASpencer
                June 9, 2010 at 1:39 pm

                I think it could end up being a little bit of both. I’m reminded of Eric telling Sookie in her dream that she’s ruthless, like him, when it comes to the people she loves. Killing Russell’s husband might seem harsh, but hey– if Eric’s doing it because Russell hurt his human family AND Sookie, it’s not exactly OOC.

                P.S. This blog IS totally awesome. 😀

            • 28 pennydreadful
              June 9, 2010 at 1:52 pm

              MAS- I’m inclined to agree with your theory that RE may have a sinister Nazi past. There is an article entitled, “Honoring the Dead,” on the AVL website (which is part of the official HBO advertising campaign) that describes how Vampire-Americans were being honored for their secret service during WWII. It stands to reason that if some vamps/supes sided with the Allies that others of their number fought for the Axis.


              • 29 legalease
                June 9, 2010 at 11:08 pm

                Also, the TV Guide description of the upcoming season says that the show will have “Nazi werewolves” so it’s not a big leap to assume that the Nazi weres are part of Russell’s pack.

          • 30 Dee
            June 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm

            I know that’s what I’m trying to figure out too, exactly how does she end up in the hospital. Bill is obviously not starved like he was in the book so that can’t be used as an excuse this time. I don’t like Bill but I also can’t see him just attacking her so that is why it’s hard trying to figuring out the circumstances. Is he under Lorena’s control again and she tells him to? But I hope not because I prefer for him to still be released from her.

      • 31 Katya
        June 9, 2010 at 6:26 pm

        where are those pictures of her bandaged up??

  6. 32 VampirePamsGirl
    June 9, 2010 at 6:31 am

    I’m pretty excited about Sookie doing a Beehl impersonation. And the shower scene dream thing… I sincerely hope that it is NOT Eric and Sookie cause when they have a shower scene I want it to be the real thing, lol. I’m not sure that it will be though because it’s described as bizarre and that wouldn’t really be bizarre, just hot.

    As for the Bill stuff, I can’t really get excited or care about that. I guess I’ve been around here for too long, lol, I’ve read about that before on here so much that it doesn’t seem like a spoiler to me, just something inevitable, lol.

  7. June 9, 2010 at 11:14 am

    I have a feeling the B/S shower sex scene is going to trump the E/S shower sex because you wouldn’t shoot two scenes in a similar way, even if it’s in another season. So, we might not get our beloved scene in S4. Which goes with my belief, AB will give us AE, but not in the way we want it.

  8. 35 Dunkinstiks
    June 9, 2010 at 11:32 am

    “Lurker Bill” I love it!!!!! Skeeve probably been watching Sookie for years. 😉

  9. 36 Freyja
    June 9, 2010 at 11:44 am

    This stood out for me:

    “so she turns to, who else, but Eric, whose crush on Sookie appears to be getting serious. Not that Eric is really prone to the typical school-boy crush.” I LIKE 🙂 And no this is no ordinary kiddy crush.
    “Jessica and Hoyt’s relationship has a new obstacle — namely a drained trucker. And since Bill hasn’t exactly been the best vampire mentor, Jessica is starting to troll Pam for tips.” Hopefully Pam will help, ‘couse her maker sure hasn’t done his deed!
    “For example, it’s revealed that Bill might have had his eye on Sookie for much longer than normal.” Creepy!! :S
    “Sookie doing her best Bill “Suh-key” impression and the usual subversive “True Blood” sense of humor and sexual innuendo.” I find this hilarious 😉

  10. 37 Freyja
    June 9, 2010 at 11:49 am

    And that lurking thing, maybe they are using that from the books. Bill did lurk in the woods at times after they broke up.

  11. 38 VikingLover
    June 9, 2010 at 11:56 am

    SVB, you are too funny! The caption on that photo is hilarious! “and ah listen to your excessively raucous relations with that detestable Vahking. Oh, and ah am here to seduce yew for mah Queen.” LMAO!!!! Ah Bill, you’re just so damn easy!

    Well, freaking YAY! I cannot wait for S3. 4 more days, People! I haven’t read the article just yet but I can already see my favorite part: “Eric, whose crush on Sookie appears to be getting serious”. Love it!! If this is discerned in the first 3 episodes it makes me so freaking excited for the entire season. Woo hoo!!!

    • 39 Robin
      June 9, 2010 at 11:58 am

      I know damnit! I am so excited, and I don’t even have HBO! I am leaving for vacation on Saturday and have no idea if I am even going to have access to HBO or the internet for a week – GAH!

  12. 40 Gigi
    June 9, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    [I have a feeling the B/S shower sex scene is going to trump the E/S shower sex because you wouldn’t shoot two scenes in a similar way, even if it’s in another season. So, we might not get our beloved scene in S4.]

    I agree with you. Seems that the gay agenda has also required the sacrifice of E/S shower scene… Way to go, Ball!!!

  13. 41 Mony
    June 9, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Talking about Sam and Bill….that’s what Sam said about their relationship at NYPost!

    well…i really want to see them right nowe!!!!LOL

    “Eric, whose crush on Sookie appears to be getting serious”.
    I SOOO LOVED IT!!!! and there was 2 episodes only yesterday at the premiere and from these we already get this sensation!!!that sounds really good!

  14. 42 Serena
    June 9, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    “vampnapped”… a-ha! so it is Chow. (I’m not givin up on this one, lol).

    • 43 Serena
      June 9, 2010 at 2:35 pm

      Oh a new snippet: From TVG: Who kidnapped Bill on True Blood? — Smitty
      MICKEY: It’s a complicated answer. We’ll learn almost immediately who did the actual absconding, for whom they were working and under whose influence the order was given. Surprisingly, it’ll involve a lady who always seems to be around when there’s trouble for Bill.

      So it could be Chow who is working for Russell and Lorena. Its suggesting underling at any rate.

      • 44 Serena
        June 9, 2010 at 2:37 pm

        And if it were Chow, it would make Eric look suspicious at first.. we prob. won’t find out who ordered it until after the DOD.

      • 45 Blondebonded
        June 9, 2010 at 3:48 pm

        LOL Ginger? *dies at the thought* SHE would be the last person anyone would think of.

    • 46 Dee
      June 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm

      It’s not, unfortunately I read a spoiler but I didn’t expect it to tell us that much. Now I basically know who took Bill, and what happens when they first take him. We actually see a scene of it in the trailer but don’t realize that is it. I won’t say anything because I don’t want to ruin it for everyone else too.

      • 47 Serena
        June 9, 2010 at 4:39 pm

        Oh damn. Is it still like AB said and the book readers would be surprised? I think I know which scene you mean..

        • 48 Dee
          June 9, 2010 at 4:46 pm

          I wouldn’t say that surprised, I’ve seen many people say who it is and were right. It’s what I suspected too when I heard AB say this. It’s how he worded it, which implies who actually does the action.

  15. 49 jaded3
    June 9, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    IMO it was FM who did the physical vampnapping with the help of some weres. No one would suspect a character that had not been introduced.

  16. 50 LydiaB
    June 9, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    There’s an article on the Washington Post that goes into a lot of detail about the premiere episode

    “Bill tries to call for help by reaching out to teenager vampire Jessica (Deborah Ann Woll). Because Bill turned her from human into undead, the two share a mental bond — except for Jessica is too young to understand Bill’s cry, and too horrified about the man she just killed by drinking too much of his blood.”

    “Whether it’s vampires worrying about their bank accounts — “Hell hath no fury like a vampire queen broke,” snarls Vampire Queen Sophie-Anne (Evan Rachel Wood) to Eric”

    • 51 MASpencer
      June 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm

      Very cool. I guess that’s why we see Jessica waking up grabbing her throat in the promos.

      And Sophie-Anne, broke? This just supports her portrayal as a Marie Antoinette type figure, as it suggests she’s a lavish spender. (Not that her extravagant dayroom and harem of blood donors tipped us off, or anything. LOL)

      This being the case, I’ll say it again: There’s GOT to be someone behind Sophie-Anne’s rise to power. She didn’t get there on in virtue of her cunning and political savvy. No way.

      • 52 MASpencer
        June 9, 2010 at 3:28 pm

        Ahem… I KNEW IT.

        As per The Nest:

        Alan Ball told Fancast that the show will focus more on how the vampires govern themselves.

        He explained: “This year we get to look at the vampire political structure and how there’s a shadow government that actually runs the figureheads of the real supposed vampire government, the kings and queens.

        “They are more insidious and more bloodthirsty beyond that. I think that’s a great metaphor for the fact that corporations run our own country and are willing to poison the planet for profits.”

        Ball also teased that there is “a big body count this season” and said: “There are several moments in season three where you’ll see something you have never seen on television before.”

        • 53 MASpencer
          June 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm

          The moral of the story: Behind every George W. Bush, there’s a Dick Cheney.

          How much you want to bet that Russell is intimately involved with this “shadow” government– and therefore, one of the vampires responsible for Sophie-Anne’s position of power?

          At 2,800 years old, I’d be SHOCKED if he wasn’t.

          • 54 Serena
            June 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm

            Me too, I’m starting to think he isn’t going to oust SA, just tell her what to do.. If his plans are to start a race war, why would he take out SA?

            • 55 MASpencer
              June 9, 2010 at 3:51 pm

              Sophie-Anne is totally Russell’s puppet– though I think she DOES have an agenda of her own, and that her interest in Sookie speaks to that. (I doubt Russell gives two shits about Sookie– my money says this is a personal thing for Sophie-Anne.)

              Anyway, I think her wolf coat in the promos is a subtle hint of that connection. But I doubt we’ll find out the truth until later in the season– when Russell throws her under the bus. (In a parallel situation to last season with Maryann and Daphne.)

              • 56 VikingLover
                June 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm

                It could be that Sophie Ann is Russell’s puppet but I just don’t know if I can buy that theory just yet. If so, why go through all of the trouble of covertly kidnapping Bill in order to get dirt on Sophie Ann if he was already pulling her strings? She would already be under this “authority”. It seems to me that he’s going to a lot of trouble to throw her under the bus. I definitely think the Magister is part of this “shadow government” though.

                • 57 MASpencer
                  June 9, 2010 at 5:11 pm

                  Maybe he had other reasons to kidnap Bill… I don’t know.

                  And I totes agree about the Magister.

                • 58 MASpencer
                  June 9, 2010 at 5:12 pm

                  Oh, and the idea would be that Sophie-Anne is Russell’s fall guy in case of emergency. They’re a good thing for crooked leaders to have. 😉

          • 59 pennydreadful
            June 9, 2010 at 5:29 pm

            It might also explain why Godric wasn’t king (although he could have been if had he so chosen.) Godric was probably too ethical to allow himself to be a pawn in the establishment’s dirty game.

        • 60 KPMRSE
          June 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm

          I reckon that the “shadow government” must have something to do with Nan and the AVL. There’s no other “coporation” outlined thus far, and since this isn’t really in the books, must serve some greater, most likely diabolocal/symbolic purpose.

          • 61 Dee
            June 9, 2010 at 5:06 pm

            Unless the AVL was also something created by the “shadow government” just like the Kings and Queens in power. But they are the ones behind them all running the show.

            • 62 MASpencer
              June 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm

              Right– the whole point of a “shadow government” is that it works behind the scenes. The AVL (and Nan, as their spokeswoman) is just a pretty front for T.V.– so Eric was probably correct to question Nan’s authority in the whole Godric situation.

              I’m totally convinced that Russell will emerge as one of the TRUE powers that be.

              • 63 Dee
                June 9, 2010 at 6:16 pm

                Yeah exactly so that is why I cant see it being the AVL. That is just one of their ideas on how to co-exist with humans by showing the side of them humans want to see.

                I wonder how powerful the magister is in this shadow government, I am assuming he is part of that. Who is higher than him, exactly where does he rank. Will be very interesting to find all this out.

        • 64 sunnynala
          June 9, 2010 at 6:14 pm

          Yes, I knew it too.

          These comments by Ball make me jump for joy! The concept of a ‘shadow government’ is firmly entrenched in conspiracy culture and discourse. Google the hero of conspiracy theorists everywhere Professor Peter Dale Scott and ‘shadow government’ or ‘Continuity of Government’ and get an eyefull.

          So now my ideas of Bill being a sort of ‘Manchurian Candidate’, a puppet in thrall to the powers that be, the use of propaganda and mind control experiments, human trafficking etc. etc etc. seems to be EXACTLY where Ball is coming from, just as I’ve always suspected.

          • 65 MASpencer
            June 9, 2010 at 6:20 pm

            Yes, but I wonder how much of the truth Bill himself knows. I think Bill is working for the Queen. And the Queen is working for someone else. But that doesn’t mean that Bill has any idea of who that someone else is– or that the mission that the Queen has given to Bill has anything to do with the “powers that be.”

            AND I just confused myself. LOL.

            My point: I think the mission for Sookie is a personal one initiated by the Queen, NOT one handed down from above.

            • 66 MASpencer
              June 9, 2010 at 6:23 pm

              Or, if it WAS handed down to her, it’s in the interest of using her as a bargaining chip with the fairies down the road– NOT for her telepathic abilities or her yummy-tasting blood.

              • 67 Serena
                June 9, 2010 at 6:50 pm

                Well it could also be, she is looking for a way to gain ground against whoever she owes allegiance to, usiing Sookie as a bargaining chip once she has her in her mitts or like maybe she wants to sell Sookie to get money, maybe auction her off.. like Sunny’s human trafficking theory.

                • 68 MASpencer
                  June 9, 2010 at 6:55 pm

                  Yeah– if bitch is broke, that would make sense enough. But again, I think that would be an “unauthorized” effort on Sophie-Anne’s part, and one borne out of personal (not political) interests.

            • 69 sunnynala
              June 9, 2010 at 6:29 pm

              My point: I think the mission for Sookie is a personal one initiated by the Queen, NOT one handed down from above.

              I agree, but that doesn’t negate what I’ve said. A Mancurian Candidate doesn’t have to be a puppet of the ALL the powers that be but a faction thereof. Oftentimes, if you read Professor Scott, the factions of the PTB can be in conflict because of varying personal agendas, even if their ultimate goals are the same.

              Even Dick Cheney and his neocon faction wasn’t the ‘ultimate’ or ‘main’ PTB. If you look behind and above him, you find Poppy Bush, who has had a hand in various conspiracies (including the JFK assassination, upon which All the factions agreed) for over 50 years yet he probably disagreed with the invasion of Iraq on purely business grounds. See: Baker Report. James Baker being a Bush family retainer of some notable importance.

              • 70 MASpencer
                June 9, 2010 at 6:45 pm

                Oh, I agree– I think we’re just emphasizing different points. I view Bill as being at the bottom of a very high totem pole, and I don’t think he necessarily knows much about the REAL politics behind his mission (if there even are any).

                In other words, I don’t think Bill is the real villain here, and I’m fairly certain we’ll find out that he’s just a pawn in this game, too. Albeit an unscrupulous pawn with a tendency toward telling lies… but a pawn nevertheless. If Sophie-Anne OR anyone above her has big evil plans for Sookie, I don’t think Bill knows about them or is in on them.

                I think he’s just doing what he was told… and was chosen for the job because he’s a hometown boy with a knack for con artistry.

                • 71 sunnynala
                  June 9, 2010 at 6:59 pm

                  I view Bill as being at the bottom of a very high totem pole, and I don’t think he necessarily knows much about the REAL politics behind his mission

                  I agree with this completely.


                  In other words, I don’t think Bill is the real villain here, and I’m fairly certain we’ll find out that he’s just a pawn in this game, too. Albeit an unscrupulous pawn with a tendency toward telling lies… but a pawn nevertheless. If Sophie-Anne OR anyone above her has big evil plans for Sookie, I don’t think Bill knows about them or is in on them.

                  He cannot POSSIBLY QSA’s plans for Sookie are benign, plans that would not harm her in the least. he has GOT to know she’s got something horrible up her sleeve. On top of that, he’s done everything in his power to bring her under HIS control–which he wouldn’t do if he weren’t ordered to–but still, the fact that he has continuously consolidated his powers over her is truly monstrous in light of the fact that he plans to use this power to turn her over to an even greater monster than he is. Look at it from Sookie’s pov: QSA’s plans for her might be terrifying but QSA herself didn’t make her fall in love, allow her to be beaten so she could get her blood into her, or numerous other things that Bill has done to her to get her under control. She’s only going to blame BILL, who has personally, up close and intimately, manipulated her in every way possible.

                  • 72 Robin
                    June 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm

                    Not to mention took her virginity.

                    • 73 sunnynala
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:12 pm

                      Exactly. He knew for certain that for an old-fashioned southern girl like Sookie her first lover would be very important. She’s been culturally conditioned from birth to view her first lover as her one true love and Bill cynically used this conditioning to insinuate himself into her heart–which he planned from the beginning to break without remorse.

                    • 74 MASpencer
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:13 pm

                      Ah, but things DIDN’T go the way he planned…

                    • 75 MASpencer
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:20 pm

                      …because Bill fell in love with her.

                      *ducks for cover*

                    • 76 Robin
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:26 pm

                      I know Sookie is a fictional character, but it does make me sick what he has done to her.

                  • 77 MASpencer
                    June 9, 2010 at 7:12 pm

                    Again, agreed. Even if Bill had no idea of what Sophie-Anne intended to do with her– or if he actually THOUGHT the intention was to deliver her for “protection,” or that Sophie-Anne’s pet Hadley just missed her, or that Sophie-Anne simply used to be a fairy and wants to get in touch with her roots– the ends DON’T justify the means.

                    And more importantly, Bill MUST suspect that Sophie-Anne’s intentions aren’t entirely pure, or he wouldn’t have looked so worried at the prospect of finally having to introduce her.

                    However, I also think that– at this point in the situation– Bill is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He could tell Sookie about his mission, but that would mean losing her. And if he delivers her to the Queen now, he will be responsible for any harm that comes to her as a consequence.

                    I do think that Bill has genuinely developed feelings for Sookie. So he’s ignoring the inevitable by stalling with the Queen and pretending like whatever relationship he has with Sookie WASN’T forged under false pretenses.

                    • 78 LLE
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:25 pm

                      I had feeling Bill watch Ratrey beat Sookie up and came after they were killed and he gave his blood to Sookie. Bill wanted his blood in Sookie.

                      I wonder how long as he been stalking Sookie.

                      AB is making Bill will bad guy than CH did.

                    • 79 sunnynala
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:37 pm

                      I do think that Bill has genuinely developed feelings for Sookie.

                      If Bill really loved her he would WARN her what is lurking in the shadows, losing her be damned. What’s more important: Holding on to her or protecting her from harm?

                      What he has developed for her is an obsessive need to own her and control her. She gives HIM plenty, including an inflated sense of his own worth, but he’s not given her a damn thing.

                    • 80 sunnynala
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:38 pm

                      AB is making Bill will bad guy than CH did.

                      Agreed LLE, MUCH worse than CH did.

                    • 81 MASpencer
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:44 pm

                      Maybe he has intentions of telling her… and is trying to buy himself time. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt, as this scenario is very reminiscent of the premise of “The Taming of the Shrew”– with a FAR more nefarious subtext, of course.

                    • 82 Robin
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:45 pm

                      I will agree with you on this point now, but I am convinced that CH is not done with our friend Bill Compton. I really think he may be our “rat” from DAG.

                    • 83 LLE
                      June 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm

                      Bill never tell Sookie the truth because Sookie would leave him. Bill is using Sookie for his own power. Bill wants Sookie as a puppet so he can control her. Bill was telling Sookie to not trust Eric and Eric will betray her.

                      What will happen to Sookie if she starts to question him about his past?

                      What will happen to Sookie when Sookie don’t listen to his orders?

                      Bill’s history is that he get stuck with women who are very powerful than him and very crazy.

                    • 84 sunnynala
                      June 9, 2010 at 8:06 pm

                      Maybe he has intentions of telling her…

                      Well, if he does he definitely intended to pin her down with a marriage certificate beforehand.

                    • 85 Jan
                      June 13, 2010 at 8:52 am

                      I think Bill wanted to marriage so he have right’s to Sookie.
                      Waite untill Eric finds out Bill ask her for marriage
                      Going be good ,can’t waite.
                      Will queen tell Sookie about Bill after Eric or befor
                      Bill will have to tell Sookie ,SOOOOOOKIEEEEEE
                      I love you ,I did it all for you

        • 86 EricObsessed
          June 9, 2010 at 6:46 pm

          What I want to know is the shadow government a secret from the humans or the lower vampires, or both? Because in the books the humans know nothing of vamp politics including the fact that there is a government at all (queens, kings, sheriffs, etc). What do they know in TB besides the AVL? Does Sookie even know about it besides the sheriffs? I can’t remember…

          • 87 MASpencer
            June 9, 2010 at 6:50 pm

            I don’t think the humans know much about it on the show at this point– in terms of area designations and the like. But I DO wonder if they’ve been known to collaborate with human organizations like the FotS behind closed doors when it suits their purposes. Or with human regimes like the Nazis.

            Either way, the truth about the vampire power structure is probably pretty priveleged and top secret information. Government officials might be aware of it– and may have known of their existence long before they “came out fo the coffin”– but I doubt the public at large does.

            • 88 pennydreadful
              June 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm

              I’d be surprised if even rank and file vamps knew of its existence. All of which brings us to the question of *why* the decision was made to “come out of the coffin.” Hidden and underground as a society, they not only survived for thousands of years but also thrived. Equality with humans would be a step down for vampires considering that, from a biological perspective, they are the superior species. It certainly isn’t from any altruistic motive towards humankind. From what I’ve been able to gather from the DVD commentaries, the concept of “True Blood only” mainstreaming is largely a scam. (Pam says that vamps only drink synthetic blood when humans are around.) To what purpose the shadow government wish for vampires to pretend to integrate into human society?

              • 89 MASpencer
                June 9, 2010 at 7:21 pm

                That’s EXACTLY what I’m wondering, Penny.

              • 90 Dee
                June 9, 2010 at 7:28 pm

                Probably from a financial standpoint. Once the Japanese came out with the synthetic blood they saw it as an opportunity to get into other financial opportunities. Being underground there is a limit to what they can do. This way they can get into other areas of business which we saw business was very important to the magister. There were too many obstacles for them before and now they can buy businesses and even able to control just as much if not more down the line than humans. Vampires are into power and money, and this just gave them a bigger opportunity to expand on that.

              • 91 LLE
                June 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm

                Sookie in the books found out that vampires don’t drink True Blood and it was a scam.

          • 92 Dee
            June 9, 2010 at 6:58 pm

            I don’t think Sookie knows much at all about vamp politics. She knows about Sheriff’s but that is about it. She obviously knows about the AVL and probably did realize a bit how much of a front they are, unless she was too busy staring at Eric to notice lol. I think Nan should’ve made it a bit obvious. I don’t remember anyone ever bringing up Kings and Queens to her.

            Humans won’t know at all, infact I would think they would want to hide it from them as much as possible. That is why the AVL is there, to give them the wrong impression of how they run things and what those in charge look and act like, but of course it’s all fake.

            • 93 Robin
              June 9, 2010 at 7:04 pm

              In the books, Sookie does not learn there is a Queen of Louisiana until Club Dead. I can’t remember if Bill mentioned he was specifically going to see the Queen to talk to her about the Maenad (MA) last season. Yes, Sookie is aware of the AVL, and I think she was quite aware of the treatment given to Godric and Eric by Nan because she even wanted to speak up for Godric (in between sidelong glances at Eric lol).

            • 94 LLE
              June 9, 2010 at 7:12 pm

              Bill did mention about the King of Texas in the meetings. I doubt Sookie listen to it. The only thing Sookie knows is that Eric is a sheriff’s. Sookie’s don’t know anything about vampires and the only good vampire is Bill her hero. Sookie is going to be shock when she find out the real Bill and he no hero.

              Sookie went to the police when she found out that Bill been kidnapped and went Eric last. Sookie should went to Eric first not the police.

              That does surprise me that Bill been stalking Sookie before she meet him. Bill in the book was always stalking her. AB is understanding what Bill is.

          • 95 sunnynala
            June 9, 2010 at 7:01 pm

            What I want to know is the shadow government a secret from the humans or the lower vampires, or both?

            Most humans are not aware of their own shadow gov’t. I’m sure it’s the same for ordinary vamps.

            • 96 Dee
              June 9, 2010 at 7:11 pm

              I think many humans are aware of their own government. In the past Presidents were idolized and people put them up on pedestals. Well in the USA this is the case, but I think people now are more aware that government is just corrupt. This is something I hear most people think. In other countries though, Presidents are known to be involved in crime and other corrupt things going on in their country. It’s more upfront and people realize this, I guess this is why I am not phased because if you think this is bad you should see how others are, but I guess when people try to put on an act is when people get more upset about it. I would be more surprised if government wasn’t corrupt. I also just think that this is always how it will be. and will never change. Some just don’t focus on it for that reason, being brought to attention won’t change the results.

              Same with AVL, sure they can fool some humans but we see that many of them still do not trust vamps, and putting Nan or anyone else on TV will never change their opinion because they say it for what it is.

              • 97 Jan
                June 13, 2010 at 7:59 am

                I think Nan will be on .
                Think she lost her power because of Texas.
                The magister has lot power .
                Wonder if Bill work for Nan .
                Just by way he looks at her in season 2
                Plus in season three Bill told Sookie when he kill vamp
                that it was going be all right .
                Then Eric came to get him he was surprise.
                Magister did not lock away for 5 years
                Bill may be with the AVL

          • 98 Serena
            June 9, 2010 at 7:04 pm

            Well I think Eric and Godric knew, that is why they kept out of it. Some of the smartest people in military organizations (usually if they get drafted) refuse to be promoted, or aren’t promoted based on internal politics.

            If the Magister is the justice branch, and Nan Flanagan and the AVL represent the press corps/ bureaucracy, we have yet to see the real figure head.. maybe it is the King of Texas?

            • 99 Dee
              June 9, 2010 at 7:16 pm

              Maybe Russell

              • 100 MASpencer
                June 9, 2010 at 7:23 pm

                That’s what I think, Dee. That he’s at least ONE of the secret head honchos.

              • 101 Serena
                June 9, 2010 at 7:54 pm

                Maybe, or someone unknown. I hope it is a woman, that way on some level Bill will be the pawn of 3 different women.. hehe.

                Ooo ooo. Maybe they have a secret underground society like Skulls and Cross Bones?

                • 102 Serena
                  June 9, 2010 at 7:57 pm

                  What would be even more awesome if they actually named it that, or if they used it as their sig.

        • 103 legalease
          June 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm

          If Russell is 2,700-2,800 years old, he’s probably one of the oldest vamps on the planet and likely older than most making up this shadow government. I agree that he’s probably part of it or was in the past. I just wonder if the show is not going to portray him as more than a little mad. I think his agenda to start a race war may be in direct conflict with the shadow government and they want him taken out before he completely mucks it all up. Russell has become this lone wolf (HA!) that’s gone off the rails.

          The shadow government had to be behind the decision to come out and I think that the AVL and the promotion of mainstreaming is their human-friendly front. If business and economic prosperity is one of the key reasons for coming out to the humans, I don’t think that they are going to take kindly to Russell’s attempts to start this war. I believe that the status quo of working with the humans and benefitting from all of the economic and entrepreneurial success that comes from this cooperation would be severely undermined by Russell’s attempts at vampire supremacy. The Magister is part of this shadow government and I believe he’s there at Fangtasia to get Eric to work for him. I think they have serious concerns about what Russell may be up to. I don’t know if it will be to take Russell out, or to just get information. Come to think it, maybe Eric is ordered to kill Talbot because of the effect it would have on Russell. Considering the sides for Episode 10, he is on the run and off of his game. It could be a way to remove him from the picture without having to try to kill him and face his army of weres.

          If QSA is indeed a puppet of Russell’s, I could see how Eric would be torn between two bosses, QSA (Russell) and the Magister (shadow government). It all depends on what players are aligning with the different agendas. Of course, I could be wrong and this shadow cabal is actually supporting Russell in his plans, LOL! I just feel it works better with conspiracy and corruption stories if powerful forces are working against one another for their own agendas. Who is working against Russell?

          • 104 EricObsessed
            June 9, 2010 at 11:06 pm

            Wow. My head is spinning (maybe that’s the 2 Cabernets though).
            So there could be 3 “groups” to the vampire politics? The front-AVL, the vampire government-kings/queens and sheriffs, the shadow govt.(secret from most vamps and all humans)- Magister(?) But based on what you all are saying, is Russell in on the secret govt. as well? Color me confused! LOL

            I’m fairly certain now that I’m thinking about it, that when Bill left to visit the queen he never said to whom or where he was going. And actually when Sam asked Eric for help, he never said who it was he was going to ask, just that he knew someone who might be able to help. So the humans wouldn’t know.

            • 105 legalease
              June 9, 2010 at 11:15 pm

              Both Bill and Eric had very similar lines that they were going to go consult with someone who “might” be able to help. I remember thinking at the time how funny it was that they both said basically the same thing. Neither identified her by name or that she was a queen.

              Regarding the various groups, it’s not clear how many there are or how they are connected. AB’s recent comments indicated that the visible government (kings/queens, sheriffs, etc.) are more like figureheads run by this shadow government which holds the real power. He likened the shadow government to corporate America, so that’s pretty evil in my books! I personally think the AVL is a front for the shadow government, but who knows?

              • 106 sunnynala
                June 9, 2010 at 11:43 pm

                He likened the shadow government to corporate America, so that’s pretty evil in my books! I personally think the AVL is a front for the shadow government, but who knows?


                Now go back to the first season Magister. He was most concerned that Eric’s ‘business’ and ‘wealth’ had been jeopardized by Longshadow. In fact, i would venture to say that this fact is what saved Bill from being put in a silver chained coffin for 5 years.

                He’s definitely a Vampire Incorporated enforcer. Clearly, he is the last word, over and above the monarchs, on just what constitutes vampire ‘justice’. This doesn’t mean HE is the man in charge it means he is the behind the scenes face the ‘shadow gov’t’ shows to their ‘subjects’ or ‘underlings’. The AVL is the public face for the humans and the monarchs are indeed ‘figureheads’ who rule at the pleasure of the secret cabal. Look at the monarchs as a sort of grand patronage system of rewards the shadow gov. bestows upon those vamps who ‘play ball’ so to speak. Just like human governors and presidents these days.

                Remember the rumors of Eric Braeden joining TB as a some sort of ‘ultimate vampire authority’? Now wouldn’t he make a terrifically sinister Cabal Godfather?

                • 107 VikingLover - Moderator
                  June 9, 2010 at 11:50 pm

                  Guys, this is all very interesting and I love reading about it but we need to stay on topic on this post. You can continue the conversation about Russell, Eric, and the Magister on the “More Bon Temps Intrigue” post since I think it is more relevant there. This post is about Bill and the article posted at Pioneerlocal.com. Thanks.

          • 108 Jan
            June 13, 2010 at 8:02 am

            That is some thing I have been think you said it great
            I still think Bill may be in the VAL

  17. 110 KC
    June 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Pam tease from the reveiew in my local paper:

    When, for example, neophyte vamp Jessica (the engaging Deborah Ann Woll) seeks advice on how to keep herself from totally giving in to her dark urges while feeding on a human, the caustic Pam (Kristin Bauer van Straten) informs her that it’s all a matter of mind control.

    “I think about crying children with soggy diapers,” she says. “Or maggots.”

    Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/09/2003907/true-blood-ready-to-flow-again.html#ixzz0qN3HM4Gg

  18. 111 KPMRSE
    June 9, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Bill lurking in BT prior to actually meeting Sookie doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. I’ve seen enough spy movies to know that any professional con artist/spy always does extensive research on their subject prior to making their move so they can formulate an effective plan of attack. Makes you wonder if he’s really a Compton at all, or just glamoured the house across the graveyard from her for easy access to his mark? He seems to care less about restoring the house where he’s come home too.

    • 112 Dee
      June 9, 2010 at 5:11 pm

      He is a Compton, they descendants of the glorious dead found that picture of him when he was human.

    • 113 Mony
      June 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm

      i wouldn’t be surprised if he had glamoured Gran to make her like him…i mean he met Sookie and ask her if he can go to her home about the in what?2 says?…..soo weird for me…..
      *what a cruel mind i have*

      • 114 Katya
        June 9, 2010 at 5:27 pm

        I never considered that…glamoured gran to make her like him…makes sense now

        • 115 Jan
          June 13, 2010 at 8:06 am

          love it ,,makes lot sense
          I can’t waite untill it come’s out about Bill
          Wonder if old Mr .Compton didn’t put him in his will
          Cause he could have glamoured him
          because in the books Sookie wonder’s if Bill kill him

  19. 116 Serena
    June 9, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    So in the USAToday article with Nelson Ellis, he says the King of Texas is being introduced, is that a complete mistake?

    • 117 MASpencer
      June 9, 2010 at 6:14 pm

      May not be. I’m convinced that Pussylover9 will be identified this season… and I’m also convinced that s/he is a vampire, so… it wouldn’t surprise me if the King of Texas makes an appearance.

      Or he could have just meant the King of Mississippi. Guess we’ll find out!

  20. 119 Dee
    June 9, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Ok so Nan shows up at fangtasia…since I can’t link, there are 30 new pics up on buzzsugar, so go to the website to see them. There is a pic of Nan and Eric sitting across from eachother in Fangtasia speaking.

    • 120 sunnynala
      June 9, 2010 at 7:45 pm

      Oh yeah, naturally Nan would get involved. A well publicized vampire killing, in his area no less, are a PR disaster, for one thing. I’m sure the V selling will figure in as well.

      • 121 andrea
        June 9, 2010 at 7:52 pm

        it seems that she is actually interogating eric because there are 2 cameras and it appears she’s being ordered to ask him some specific questions because she’s wearing a bluetooth headset.

        • 122 Serena
          June 9, 2010 at 8:04 pm

          I have to say I love Pam’s red Juicy suit and red uggs,.. such a terrible combo, lol. but it fits.

      • 123 pennydreadful
        June 9, 2010 at 7:57 pm

        Although I had a thought…if the shadow government is the one pulling the strings of the hierarchy and the AVL. Might it not be in their best interest to actually promote V use as well as accompanying moral panic over its dangers? As we’ve seen repeatedly, recreational use of V can have adverse side effects (as any drug can.) However, its considerable healing properties potentially make it a unmatched panacea for all human afflictions (cancer, AIDS, etc.) What better way to ensure that vampire blood is never employed for legitimate medical uses than by intentionally creating a crisis? Legislators would respond to the public’s moral panic over a V addiction epidemic by passing laws that would forbid even scientific research into V.

        • 124 sunnynala
          June 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

          The US gov’t is actually the biggest drug dealer on the planet, and at the same time implement THE most draconian laws against drug users. Rope in the users and enslave them to the ‘product’ and then turn around and get rid of undesirable elements by incarcerating them for the very thing you’ve supplied.

          Google: Gary Webb, The Dark Alliance. CIA trafficking Crack cocaine. (Mr. Webb was ‘suicided’ btw)

          • 125 MASpencer
            June 9, 2010 at 8:18 pm

            Umm… my take on things isn’t quite THAT literal. But I WOULD say that it’s worth taking not of the fact that the government declares a war on “drugs” and yet politicians routinely take money from pharmaceutical lobbyists whose intention it is to mass-medicate the population. No conspiracy theory required for that conclusion– these interests are as trasparent as the air we breathe.

            Frankly, the plain truth is scary enough WITHOUT going digging.

            • 126 MASpencer
              June 9, 2010 at 8:19 pm

              Typo: worth taking *note*

            • 127 MASpencer
              June 9, 2010 at 8:21 pm

              And to that end, it would most CERTAINLY be in the pharmaceutical industry’s interest NOT to have a cure-all like vampire blood floating about.

              Who will buy all the flu vaccines and statin drugs then?

              • 128 pennydreadful
                June 9, 2010 at 8:35 pm

                Slightly OT: I’ve heard that the pharmaceutical companies are the biggest lobbyists against medical marijuana. Because it’s a much cheaper than alternative to high priced patented pain killers, they fear legalization will cut into their bottom line.

                • 129 MASpencer
                  June 9, 2010 at 8:41 pm

                  Oh, it’s WORSE than that, Penny. They’ve actually patented a synthetic THC (the active compound in marijuana) pill– for the exact same purposes of curbing nausea, easing pain, and increasing appetite for cancer patients, glaucoma patients and the like– which, I assure you, would cost the American public CONSIDERABLY more than growing some weed in the family garden would.

                  DISGUSTING. Do NOT get me started on the pharmaceutical industry. I WILL GO OFF. LOL

                  • 130 sunnynala
                    June 9, 2010 at 8:42 pm

                    Smoke a doob instead. LOL.

                    • 131 Robin
                      June 9, 2010 at 8:44 pm

                      MAS is starting to rant like SVB, lol!

                    • 132 MASpencer
                      June 9, 2010 at 8:44 pm

                      Can I get a HELL YES?!?

                    • 133 sunnynala
                      June 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm

                      I admit it: I smoke regularly. Much more than I drink which is maybe three times a year.

                    • 134 MASpencer
                      June 9, 2010 at 8:55 pm

                      Ask any doctor, and if s/he’s honest, s/he will tell you that it’s FAR better for your body than alcohol is.

                      The smoke itself is the only real issue– but without all the toxins and additives you find in cigarettes, even THAT’S not that big of a deal. Besides, if you’re that worried about your lungs, you can always eat it. 😉

                  • June 9, 2010 at 8:50 pm

                    MAS, remember in the last ep. of S2, the two women taking at the bar?
                    One referred to big pharmas conducting experiments? May not relate, but I think it’s funny that it is being discussed now. Not funny haha, but curious.

                    • June 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm

                      *talking* at the bar

                    • 137 sunnynala
                      June 9, 2010 at 8:54 pm

                      It’s true! Great correlation Bobsgran!

                    • 138 MASpencer
                      June 9, 2010 at 8:59 pm

                      That’s very true, Bobsgran– and I actually think that Penny might be onto something with this. Again, Alan Ball says: “I think that’s a great metaphor for the fact that corporations run our own country and are willing to poison the planet for profits.”

                      If this doesn’t describe pharmaceutical companies, I don’t know WHAT does.

                    • 139 Robin
                      June 9, 2010 at 9:02 pm

                      I remember that conversation and thought it was really random at the time, but I guess nothing is ever random with True Blood, lol!

                    • 140 MASpencer
                      June 9, 2010 at 9:08 pm

                      To add to that, when Eric referred to Dr. Ludwig, he said that she doesn’t like vampires, but works with them because of the value of their blood.

                      I don’t believe the medicinal value of vampire blood was ever mentioned with respect to Dr. Ludwig in the books. So if I’m remembering correctly, that qualification was entirely attributable to the TB writing team.

                  • 141 sunnynala
                    June 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm

                    The smoke itself is the only real issue– but without all the toxins and additives you find in cigarettes, even THAT’S not that big of a deal. Besides, if you’re that worried about your lungs, you can always eat it.

                    True. pure tobacco sans nicotine and all the other chemicals is not that harmful. When you think about it, the oldsters who used to smoke ‘pure’ tobacco didn’t have as many incidents of smoking related cancer as there is today.

                    For some reason, smoking pot is just more satisfying to me than eating it.

            • 144 sunnynala
              June 9, 2010 at 8:48 pm

              It can be literal and it can ALSO refer to Big Pharma. It’s all of a piece, actually. the gov’t keeps drugs like pot illegal so that the pharmaceuticals can continue to profit off their deadly chemicals, and at the same time they DEAL the illegal drugs themselves to finance their various wars and covert adventures.

              See: NarcoNews.

              See: Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob and America’s Secret History by Daniel Hopsicker.

              • 145 Dee
                June 9, 2010 at 10:35 pm

                Well you can even look at something that is a smaller issue than marijuana such as FDA never approves any natural supplements. And they never will because FDA works with pharmaceutical companies and they prefer for you to take their drugs rather than anything natural even if it is better or just as good for you. Some people are afraid to take certain natural supplements because they say it’s not FDA approved so it hurts them.

                But again nothing surprising, it’s been on tv and in books. This man who worked for the pharmaceutical companies quit and wrote a book titled “Natural cures they don’t want you to know about” I think he was even on Oprah and other shows.

    • 146 Serena
      June 9, 2010 at 8:02 pm

      Um is that Debbie in Sookie’s house? WTF?

    • 148 Liz
      June 9, 2010 at 8:52 pm

      it looks like Nan brought camera lights, or are not suppose to see that?

  21. 149 Dee
    June 9, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    I thought it was Sookie’s house at first too but not sure.

    • 150 Robin
      June 9, 2010 at 8:15 pm

      It looked like her house to me too. Maybe they are going to have her try to kill Sookie during season 3 instead of 4?

      • June 9, 2010 at 8:35 pm

        It could be. It’s strange because that implies that Debbie leaves Jackson and goes to BonTemps. And why? because she’s jealous?
        Or maybe she’s been ordered to follow sookie?

      • 152 Serena
        June 9, 2010 at 8:41 pm

        It doesn’t look like the kitchen, it has a smaller print on the wallpaper, it could be the dining room or the living room, not sure..

        So I checked IMDB, they list her being in episodes 4,5,6,7,8. But Bill should be rescued by episode 7, right? Maybe this is what Starbuck meant when she said she didn’t want the part because it was not that big,..

        • 153 Serena
          June 9, 2010 at 8:42 pm

          Opps I meant Katee Sackhoff. lol.

        • 155 legalease
          June 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm

          Well, IMDB is not exactly accurate half of the time, and she could be in more later in the season or be back next season. At one point, IMDB had Jim Parrack listed in more episodes than AP, and only had AS listed for a few Season 3 episodes. AB said he actually beefed up her role for the show, so I’d think she’d be around through at least next season if her part is bigger than in the books and Sookie didn’t kill her in the books until the end of DTTW.

          • 156 Serena
            June 9, 2010 at 9:49 pm

            True, IMDB can be unreliable… but dudettes, its TOTALLY Sookie’s house.

            The wallpaper is the same as Sookie’s room. If you look at the pic with Bill and Sam that is in the article at the NY Post,.. we have a match for the print. I think behind Debbie are Sookie’s stuffed animals and a dollhouse.

  22. 157 Lotus
    June 9, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Aieee! I’ve been swamped the past couple of days but wanted to say how amazing all of you are. I’m really enjoying the theories and seeing the pictures and holy cow it is almost Sunday! This requires more exclamation points!!!! 😉

    Not much time to stop now and speculate, so I wanted to pass along a tidbit I just read from an interview with Askars and Time Out New York:

    C’mon, just a little hint about what’s coming?
    It’s about revenge for Eric. You find out that he lost a group of people 1,000 years ago that were very, very dear to him. Suddenly he’s presented with an opportunity to avenge them, and that’s something he’s been awaiting for a very long time.

    Hmmm. A group! It must have been his entire family. Perhaps killed by an army of wolves led by Russell? Sounds amazing!

    • 158 Freyja
      June 9, 2010 at 10:05 pm

      Well someone made that theory here before that the weres had killed his family and him and Sookie could relate to their loss of dear ones.

    • 159 legalease
      June 9, 2010 at 11:05 pm

      Very interesting. So it’s not just his father but his entire family and, who knows, maybe even all or most of the kingdom. That revenge will be served extremely cold. I think it’s the Magister who will be presenting him with this opportunity. This is shaping up to be really, really good.

    • 160 MASpencer
      June 10, 2010 at 3:59 am

      I’m calling his entire kingdom, with the exception of those who would accept the rule of the new regime. In other words: You don’t swear fealty, you’re dead.

  23. 161 DutchGirl
    June 9, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    To go off at a tangent sorry…
    In the general book story arc-I’m very curious as to why Bill is making this vampedia database.. Who do you think really asked for it, I know he works for SA, but !? What is it really for I wonder hmm ..

    I am also wondering if AB is going to try and bring forward certain story arcs from the books, so he can fit more into a season. I wonder this because there will be what 13 books in the end, will they be able to keep this up for another 10 years ? I want to say yes, but sadly I think not 😦 I hope and pray that book 4 stays just as it is when they put it on to TV..

    • 162 VikingLover
      June 9, 2010 at 11:41 pm

      Hey Dutchgirl, in the books, it was the Queen who asked Bill to develop the database. He started it as a hobby I believe and she found out about it and asked him to take it a step further. That storyline was very cut and dry in the books. In regards to AB, because they probably don’t have the luxury of time (only 5-6 seasons for now I believe), they will probably have to merge more than book into the next couple of seasons.

  24. 163 VikingLover - Moderator
    June 9, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Guys, I’m sorry but we’ve veered waaay off topic here. Let’s try to stay on track re SVB’s post and article. I’m sure SVB will create a new post for the pics that have been released. Thanks!

    • 164 Serena
      June 9, 2010 at 10:02 pm

      Sorry, VL, we just can’t help ourselves, lol. Must.. try. more.. restraint..

    • 165 Dee
      June 9, 2010 at 10:27 pm

      Sorry, my fault I meant to point out Nan since above discussion was about AVL and this whole “shadow govt” but I just realized that even that is way off topic lol.

      • 166 pennydreadful
        June 9, 2010 at 10:36 pm

        I meandered away from SVB’s post as well. *Hangs her head in shame* Sorry 😦

        • 167 VikingLover
          June 9, 2010 at 10:49 pm

          LOL It’s okay Guys. I was laughing because I logged in earlier and the post was still ‘somewhat’ in the neighborhood of Bill and then I log in a couple of hours later and I’m like: pharmaceutical companies? Marijuana? What the heck? LMAO! It was a fascinating read though! Don’t worry, soon the board will be moved and there will be a discussion area where you guys can create your own threads, etc.

    • 168 MASpencer
      June 10, 2010 at 4:02 am

      Oops. Sorry VL!

      We all need to SUCK IT UP until Sunday, I’m afraid. LOL

  25. 169 Mony
    June 9, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Just to let u know…..during the first episode Eric makes the presentation between Sookie and Yvetta!!!!!I LOVE HIM!!!it’s soooo Eric!
    “Sookie, meet my new dancer. Yvetta, from Estonia,” he says. “Yvetta, meet Sookie — from here.”
    He turns to Sookie. “So, what brings you to Fangtasia on this balmy night?”
    “Bill’s been kidnapped, and I think you did it,” she says.
    “I didn’t,” he says. “Any other theories?”
    “I’m still on this one, thank you very much,” she says. “Where were you tonight around 11?”
    “Here,” he says. “With Yvetta.”
    “Doing this? For the last six hours?” she says.
    “You seem surprised,” he says. “Is Bill’s stamina not up to snuff?”

    • 170 VikingLover
      June 9, 2010 at 11:36 pm

      Mony, SVB posted the video of the encounter on another post. Please stay on topic as it relates to Bill and SVB’s post. Thanks.

    • 172 EricObsessed
      June 9, 2010 at 11:42 pm

      He introduces them while naked! Love it!!!

      Estonia, huh? Sorry, so immature but, I’m not going to be able to stop thinking of Encino Man.

  26. 174 Eric is hot
    June 10, 2010 at 1:22 am

    We have been all over the place tonight but, I love it. I still am wondering how they will Sookie know he watched her get beat up. Do you think Janice will have a roll in that?

  27. 175 Aposmeal
    June 10, 2010 at 3:07 am

    IMO Claudine will give Sookie the news about Bill’s voyeurism.

  28. 176 Aposmeal
    June 10, 2010 at 3:36 am

    SVB or VL there are three new clips. How do I send them to you?

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